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[Ultimation]

never been in underground i feel left out lol!

Ah, but who said people like me wouldn't be thankful? Someone like myself would respond to that by giving back to the community. Not everyone would, but there are still some that would.

The deal is it's obvious information is already shared by the "elites". At least some that are on good terms with each other and aren't ddos'ing or hacking. Why do they "give up" their hard work to each other then? Because they've proven themselves? Then what does it take to be "worthy"?

Perhaps it's just an issue with heirarchy. There is no established system anymore since UG and Lv2 fell through.

i think epvp has had its day, but now its just going to continue to go down hill

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by ImmuneOne

But that's what korvacs has been saying the whole time now, hasn't he? There is a small majority of the community who will be thankful and will contribute back but that doesn't include the bigger majority who will privately develop on their sources without giving any credits to noone.

And my point is that because the majority won't give back, that means to deny the ones that would by keeping everything under lock and key?

[Lateralus]

Originally Posted by bone-you

...but there are plenty of people who could be motivated to if they had the tools available (such as encryption routines, packet info, even a server skeleton base that they can start from). These sorts of things can help spark new submissions. They certainly can't hurt the community. The worst that'd happen by releasing something is there are a lot of questions regarding it.. but doesn't that drive more traffic here and possibly encourage more people to get into it?

All cryptography (and implementations!) has been released except the new password cryptography. The majority of packets with the corresponding processing have been released in sources spread out through the years. There have been plenty of stable bases that no one uses because it requires some work to set up or they have no features (see for an example of work required). We're giving back to the general population just fine. Also, I think the lack of information to the public provides more variety with releases.

[Ultimation]

yes exactly thats how it is, thats how its going to be done. untill someone pulls there finger out there *** and sorts a proper level system out.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Ultimation

never been in underground i feel left out lol!

Not missing anything these days. Last thread was about a year ago.

[Korvacs]

Its worth noting i think that there is a hierarchy, its just not based on a forum, those who are deemed to be i suppose worthy and responsible enough can and do get access to things like the latest password encryption, so really theres no problem with people getting access to it in that sense. Just because you cant find it on a forum doesnt mean its not available to people, they just have to speak to the relevant people (tat amount to speaking to the right people to get access to UG/L2)

[ImmuneOne]

Originally Posted by bone-you

And my point is that because the majority won't give back, that means to deny the ones that would by keeping everything under lock and key?

Ultimation already thought of a solution for that, which would be the "Level" system. Is it all coming together now?.....

[Ultimation]

k im bored. here you go guys, something to pass the time

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by ImmuneOne

Ultimation already thought of a solution for that, which would be the "Level" system. Is it all coming together now?.....

I don't get the point of your emphasizing that at all. I've already said the level system revamped would be good for here.

[ImmuneOne]

What are you nagging about then? Jeez.

[m7mdxlife]

Originally Posted by Lateralus

I don't see how handing someone something is benefiting or furthering the community at all. That's been done for years in this community. I'd much rather this be a "school" than a giveaway. It's like being a boss at your job and paying people who don't go to work. It just doesn't make sense. Furthermore, when something we release has every feature someone wants nicely coded in, what motivation do they have for giving back to the community (or even getting to the level of being useful enough to give back)?

@Ultimation - The levels idea is great. I've thought about that before, but to my knowledge, underground is hell to get access to.

Its all about how you ( as a dev ) contribute to the community, take you and pro4never for example:

You made Lateralus client which was amazing and free too, a while after everyone started claiming it their own and leeching it all over the place which resulted in closing the free version and turning it into a pay-to-use thus leading to you quitting on it because of the changes that TQ keeps making and the lake of people who are interested in it even tho it was cheap as hell.

pro4never on the other hand made a step by step on how to create a proxy and he did one hell of a job with it.

Your contribution ended because it was ( leechable ), pro's contribution is still out there for the simple fact that a leecher cant get **** out of it, on the other hand a person who is here to actually learn something got almost everything he needed from it.

[Lateralus]

Originally Posted by m7mdxlife

Its all about how you ( as a dev ) contribute to the community, take you and pro4never for example:

You made Lateralus client which was amazing and free too, a while after everyone started claiming it their own and leeching it all over the place which resulted in closing the free version and turning it into a pay-to-use thus leading to you quitting on it because of the changed that TQ keeps making and the lake of people who are interested in it even tho it was cheap as hell.

pro4never on the other hand made a step by step on how to create a proxy and he did one hell of a job with it.

Your contribution ended because it was ( leechable ), pro's contribution is still out there for the simple fact that a leecher cant get **** out of it, on the other hand a person who is here to actually learn something got almost everything he needed from it.

Good point. I was applying the knowledge I had, since I can't teach very well, and I sure as hell can't teach better than lena151's tutorials on another website. Teaching how to accomplish a certain task with olly isn't easy or helpful at all, since you can lead up to the result all you want, but if you skip ahead to the end of the tutorial, you'll get "change this instruction to this at this address".

[Ultimation]

its the newbies of the community that have put it in this shape. not the people who contributed.

[m7mdxlife]

Originally Posted by Lateralus

Good point. I was applying the knowledge I had, since I can't teach very well, and I sure as hell can't teach better than lena151's tutorials on another website. Teaching how to accomplish a certain task with olly isn't easy or helpful at all, since you can lead up to the result all you want, but if you skip ahead to the end of the tutorial, you'll get "change this instruction to this at this address".

I am always more interested on how to get the address than what to change it to.

[Ultimation]

My point was, doing excersises like that are a far more efficient way of people learning.