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[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Ultimation

My point was, doing excersises like that are a far more efficient way of people learning.

Those that skip to the end anyway wouldn't contribute back in the first place. That population of people can ultimately be ignored. It's not a bad thing to have the results right in front of you. I learn in such a way that I learn far faster if I see something in action and made that I can mess with. Just explaining to me how something works will just fall upon deaf ears. Give me a working application that I can start changing things in and can see the results and I will learn it instantly. Unfortunately it means that I am a very slow learner when I have to figure things out entirely on my own but when the results are nearby I can compare it to my own, see what I've done wrong, and experiment with it. Anyone who just skips to the answer for the sake of finishing and not learning is negligible.

[Ultimation]

and Bone-you, its quite obvious all your ******** has just come because you want this crypto. thats the only reason for this whole thread, your just trying to make it sound like its something else.

think im done with epvp and will probably start up a new forum dedicated to coders and not eggies

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Ultimation

and Bone-you, its quite obvious all your ******** has just come because you want this crypto. thats the only reason for this whole thread, your just trying to make it sound like its something else.

think im done with epvp and will probably start up a new forum dedicated to coders and not eggies

Actually it isn't lol. While having the crypto would be nice, what I'm working on is vanilla 2.0 atm and is entirely irrelevant to what I'm doing and will be for quite some time. The thread was just me commenting on the state of the community. Nothing more.

[I don't have a username]

But you don't know the state of the community...

[Ultimation]

Originally Posted by bone-you

Actually it isn't lol. While having the crypto would be nice, what I'm working on is vanilla 2.0 atm and is entirely irrelevant to what I'm doing and will be for quite some time. The thread was just me commenting on the state of the community. Nothing more.

i can fully understand what your trying todo and i can appreciate it, but your talking to the wrong side of the line. you need to be talking to the random 1 posters who come here.

[I don't have a username]

Alright, got something to say...

This is not supposed to be an open-source community at all. This is a Private Server community for development of your own server. It's not about helping others making their server, however people are still doing it and it's fine and the community wouldn't come long without contributions at all anyways, but the reality is that this is not what it was intended to be from the start and shouldn't. You don't see any other game-developers sharing their source code do you? Have you seen TQ sharing their codes with free will? Have you seen WoW doing the same? The answer is no you haven't, because it's kept private for a reason. In game development you are trying to become better than the others and more unique and how can you become that? By keeping things private.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by I don't have a username

But you don't know the state of the community...

"Hi, I'm a programmer who is extremely versed in many programming languages. I've been playing CO and have had a desire to check out the Private Server community as I have had extensive experience in emulating servers from nothing and could achieve it very quickly. .. hmm.. this thread looks interesting. 'Iam Offering 500 USDS For The Latest CO Encryption' "

Originally Posted by ×Holo

500$?! you seem like someone lives in a basement, having no one in his life.

hope you enjoy the encryption when you get it.

Originally Posted by InfamousNoone

Doesnt really matter to me how much they offer... they simply dknt deserve it.

Originally Posted by Ultimation

its tempting, but we have worked hard to keep the password encryption in a tight loop

Originally Posted by InfamousNoone

nah when Dean asked for the changes to the DH-exchange I think he offered like 2k or so and we told him to fuck off

O.O /leave

Nothing against anyone I quoted, but that could just as easily be people lurking here. They see how people react, regardless of whether he "was worthy" of being "blessed" by the knowledge and they'll either take their knowledge and leave, or just not bother to contribute back because you know, just like you guys don't want to spoon feed randoms, maybe some don't want to help further the elitists here and would rather attempt to work on their own project leeching what they can instead.

Originally Posted by I don't have a username

Alright, got something to say...

This is not supposed to be an open-source community at all. This is a Private Server community for development of your own server. It's not about helping others making their server, however people are still doing it and it's fine and the community wouldn't come long without contributions at all anyways, but the reality is that this is not what it was intended to be from the start and shouldn't. You don't see any other game-developers sharing their source code do you? Have you seen TQ sharing their codes with free will? Have you seen WoW doing the same? The answer is no you haven't, because it's kept private for a reason. In game development you are trying to become better than the others and more unique and how can you become that? By keeping things private.

Why are you talking about the official companies and sharing? If you want to talk about WoW, what about the WoW private server community? Pretty sure it was all open source for years. I don't know about lately, but it was open source, powerful, very complete, and done right. Can't say it doesn't work. It only won't work if you refuse to do it.

[Korvacs]

If they are smart enough to work on their own projects with only the input provided on the forums thus far, they are smart enough to break encryption or optional make the judgement to just progress without it, not whine like a little ***** on the forum about not having it and then rage quit.

Not to mention their post would atleast make sense if they did request assistance with it on the forums.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

If they are smart enough to work on their own projects with only the input provided on the forums thus far, they are smart enough to break encryption or optional make the judgement to just progress without it, not whine like a little ***** on the forum about not having it and then rage quit.

So let them rage. How does it hurt you? Of all the people who whine and complain, eventually someone who is better than that will come along. If you're not willing to stick it out and be a better "leader" of this community, why are you still around? You get the title with your actions. Those who make the releases are considered the "top" by the community and they'll all look up to you. Too late it escape it. Not a bad thing though. But if you no longer want to be that, then keep to yourself. Stop posting in threads of people asking for things and provoking others. All you do is A, make yourself look bad. B, make the community look bad. C, cause endless problems and plenty of infighting.

[Korvacs]

You seem to be getting confused between which side of the arguement your on, im saying encryption (and alike) should be kept private away from leachers, randomers, regular users. And you just agreed with me by stating "So let them rage."

And you seem to be confused about my position, im a contributor yes, im not a leader, nor particular elite in any regard (i dont have the latest encryption for example), and with all due respect who are you to tell me what i can and cant do on this forum? You who have been inactive for vast periods of time and who only ever materialises to complain about the state of the community. So far you have done all of those things and more imo in this thread.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

You seem to be getting confused between which side of the arguement your on, im saying encryption (and alike) should be kept private away from leachers, randomers, regular users. And you just agreed with me by stating "So let them rage."

And you seem to be confused about my position, im a contributor yes, im not a leader, nor particular elite in any regard (i dont have the latest encryption for example), and with all due respect who are you to tell me what i can and cant do on this forum? You who have been inactive for vast periods of time and who only ever materialises to complain about the state of the community. So far you have done all of those things and more imo in this thread.

Might have misread it a bit as I was reading fast. You ignore the people who whine and complain about not getting things to work right and help those that make genuine effort. Copypasters ignored, people learning helped.

Well, if you're not here to help the community why are you here? That's just my question. You seem to want to stifle advancement by keeping everything private. That hardly helps. Just because I've been inactive doesn't make me any worse a person in this community. Yea, sure. I've complained about the community in this thread. The hope was that something might change. Sorry for making an attempt to help the community. Next time I'll keep quiet, not post, and leech just like you absolutely love... or I can speak up and be a part of the community and make an attempt to help shape it. HURR DOWN WITH THE RESISTANCE!

[Korvacs]

We help those who help themselves, they put effort in, we reciprocate, no effort no help.

Thats why the things that are release like a packet wiki are exactly what the community needs, it provides them with raw data that can be used, but no direct implementation, anyone wanting to develop a proxy or source can then use that resource as part of their own development without being just handed a working implementation that they wont learn from, wont fully understand and will have to ask for help with.

So my question is, why do you want to just hand over all the information and implementation and remove the requirement for people to think for themselves? HURR DOWN WITH THE THINKING!

[Kiyono]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

We help those who help themselves, they put effort in, we reciprocate, no effort no help.

Thats why the things that are release like a packet wiki are exactly what the community needs, it provides them with raw data that can be used, but no direct implementation, anyone wanting to develop a proxy or source can then use that resource as part of their own development without being just handed a working implementation that they wont learn from, wont fully understand and will have to ask for help with.

So my question is, why do you want to just hand over all the information and implementation and remove the requirement for people to think for themselves? HURR DOWN WITH THE THINKING!

About that packet wiki of yours, are you actually updating it or is there another reason as to why it's still down?

[Korvacs]

Originally Posted by Kiyono

About that packet wiki of yours, are you actually updating it or is there another reason as to why it's still down?

Im working on getting it updated, and running, its a funny thing doing up a flat and working full time, you dont really have much time left to do much else, hence me standing down as a mod here.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

We help those who help themselves, they put effort in, we reciprocate, no effort no help.

Thats why the things that are release like a packet wiki are exactly what the community needs, it provides them with raw data that can be used, but no direct implementation, anyone wanting to develop a proxy or source can then use that resource as part of their own development without being just handed a working implementation that they wont learn from, wont fully understand and will have to ask for help with.

So my question is, why do you want to just hand over all the information and implementation and remove the requirement for people to think for themselves? HURR DOWN WITH THE THINKING!

Because not everyone thinks and works alike. People like me learn better via studying functional implementations while others might work better with theory aka a wiki. Only acknowledging one type is terrible. As I go to work on this source I'm working on now, I'm going to go pick apart every released source to date. Not to steal code or anything, but to see how they did it, see their implementation, and improve upon it. Obviously can't steal code anyway as it is since mine will be in C++, but to assume your method is the best without looking at alternatives is ignorant. My goal is the same as it was before. To make the best, most functional server source there is. One thing I will accept is I don't have all the answers.