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[Spirited]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

Not that this is particularly relevant to the problem, but this is a forum, and in my opinion most of the stuff people post here is badly written (in terms of code), and most of the problems here can be solved by people reading the error messages that they post as a screenshot/video.

Since thats my opinion and this is a forum on the internet, im entitled to post my opinion and tell people how stupid they are for not being able to read "Invalid user Account!!" or "username/password is incorrect!!", in the same way that you are entitled to post your opinion about me.

And with regards to me thinking solutions are better than other peoples, this is true in alot of cases since i actually perform research when i code solutions to problems, and therefore arrive at what can be deemed as one of the best solutions available, which in most cases is better than what has been posted. Sorry if this makes me look like a douché but i could care less.

I dont consider myself to be a shining light, i dont consider myself to be a leader of the community, i dont even consider myself to be, what is most easily described as an elite member of the community. Im just a coder who happens to have been active in the community for a long time, which positions me in such a way so as i can comment on the state of the community as it is now.

Also back to the original point of this topic, i think this should be closed as the only thing this has proved is that Zero is about as in touch with the community as politicians are with their citizens. So this discussion is pointless, as numerous members of the community have now posted and he has just proceeded to get into an argument with all of them, so he is effectively arguing with the community about how the community is.......which kind of demonstrates how in touch he is.

I can see why you don't have sympathy for people who refuse to read error messages or even read the first page of results on google, but in my opinion, you and I both (along with multiple others) have too high of standards. If someone posts their code here (and it's not leeched), then I think we should respect that poster. As I said, people here are scared to post anything if it's not their best work or better than everyone else's here. We're here to support each other, and although 95% of the people here need a step-by-step guide on how to breath, we should at least support the 5% that work hard at finding solutions - whether that's helping them refactor their code or helping them write it.

[Korvacs]

Originally Posted by Fаng

I can see why you don't have sympathy for people who refuse to read error messages or even read the first page of results on google, but in my opinion, you and I both (along with multiple others) have too high of standards. If someone posts their code here (and it's not leeched), then I think we should respect that poster. As I said, people here are scared to post anything if it's not their best work or better than everyone else's here. We're here to support each other, and although 95% of the people here need a step-by-step guide on how to breath, we should at least support the 5% that work hard at finding solutions - whether that's helping them refactor their code or helping them write it.

I respect them for posting it, but if the code itself is bad im going to tell them so and tell them why so that they can improve it, if i just go into a thread and go "good job on posting it /golfclaplikeseal" then who am i helping here? Who am i supporting? No one.

[Spirited]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

I respect them for posting it, but if the code itself is bad im going to tell them so and tell them why so that they can improve it, if i just go into a thread and go "good job on posting it /golfclaplikeseal" then who am i helping here? Who am i supporting? No one.

Well that's why I said "helping them refactor their code"
Code refactoring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Korvacs]

Yeah, i was addressing the rest of your post.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

Also back to the original point of this topic, i think this should be closed as the only thing this has proved is that Zero is about as in touch with the community as politicians are with their citizens. So this discussion is pointless, as numerous members of the community have now posted and he has just proceeded to get into an argument with all of them, so he is effectively arguing with the community about how the community is.......which kind of demonstrates how in touch he is.

So, my thread should be closed because you disagree with me? Thankfully you're not mod anymore or I'd probably have another 2 or 3 infractions from this thread alone and it'd be closed. You just went on about how you can voice your opinion, then want my thread closed because I voice mine. If anyone's closer to being a politician it's you sir. You don't have to spend every waking minute here to get a general understanding of the situation. Some of the threads made and the comments made within them can give the gist just as well. Remember though, you willingly participate in this "argument with everyone". If you are so against this entire thread and want nothing to do with it, then why do you continue to post in it?

PS. Mr. Throws His Weight Around, I'm trying to better the community here. Are you arguing that I shouldn't be? Am I doing the community an injustice or something? Last I checked, releasing things benefits the community while holding back hurts it.

[Korvacs]

No, this thread should be closed because its not going to achieve anything and is slowly descending into straight up flaming each other.

[Spirited]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

No, this thread should be closed because its not going to achieve anything and is slowly descending into straight up flaming each other.

^ just what I was going to say.
Maybe this should be closed soon.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

No, this thread should be closed because its not going to achieve anything and is slowly descending into straight up flaming each other.

It'd be fine if people like you and Ultimation didn't come in here doing just the same. There was nothing wrong with the thread, or the posts before they became a thread. It wasn't until people came in here trying to tell me how it's such a great idea, but go away because it'll never work because I know more about the community than you do and things shouldn't be released and blah blah blah keep things private community doesn't deserve it etc etc.

You don't think things should be released? Then take your ball and go home. You're the undesirable type of person for an open community. You do not benefit this community at all with that way of thinking. All it does is drive the community into its own destruction as people fight with each other over the most simplest of things such as a password encryption or the latest packet structure or a bot for official servers.

In the end, there's one thing you've missed. There STILL isn't an up to date server in existence. There never will be at this rate. TQ comes up with new things slowly. There is plenty of time to catch up in between patches, but it will not happen with this mentality. The pserver community in essence is a waste of time with people hoarding information.

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Originally Posted by Fаng

^ just what I was going to say.
Maybe this should be closed soon.

Think so? Meh I still have some popcorn left...

I do think that sharing in this community is possible, not share a whole new thing, but share something better than what's already there. That way only who can will have the latest features and others will have a possible better code.

This way both Korvacs and bone-you will have some comfort :P.

[Korvacs]

Originally Posted by bone-you

PS. Mr. Throws His Weight Around, I'm trying to better the community here. Are you arguing that I shouldn't be? Am I doing the community an injustice or something? Last I checked, releasing things benefits the community while holding back hurts it.

This, i have to highlight, if you want to do something to improve the community stop talking about it and starting doing something about it if your that concerned, this is something that was brought up the last time you started chatting on about the community several years ago, you did nothing then and i expect you will do nothing now.

Also how can you say this but then say this on another thread:

Originally Posted by bone-you

Won't work just because of how this community works. Proof here:

I had a similar system designed in my proxy. Not a single person picked up on it even though it had the potential to be the most powerful proxy out at the time. The design is fantastic. I had always thought of doing it in a pserver, but had never acted on it because I knew few would ever even take interest in it let alone code something for it.

Are you just a walking/talking contradiction? Your arguing with me about the state of the community while condemning it for being the way it is and actually agreeing with me on another thread.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

This, i have to highlight, if you want to do something to improve the community stop talking about it and starting doing something about it if your that concerned, this is something that was brought up the last time you started chatting on about the community several years ago, you did nothing then and i expect you will do nothing now.

Start doing something? The same issue back then is what exists today. People refusing to share. It's what held me back then, and it will most likely hold me back now but I'll give it another shot. It's cool you want to sit here and tell me how things will never work out and do nothing.

Originally Posted by Korvacs

Also how can you say this but then say this on another thread:




Are you just a walking/talking contradiction? Your arguing with me about the state of the community while condemning it for being the way it is and actually agreeing with me on another thread.

Yea, I know I posted that in there even as I typed it in here, but I'd fully support and help it if someone attempted it. I was only giving insight to the past. It was not meant as a post of discouragement even though it probably sounds like it. As I've posted in here already, such an undertaking requires a huge amount of investment by the person that starts it. You have to be prepared to go it alone if all else fails. In no ways was I trying to say "don't do it" even if it might sound like it. You know it wouldn't work though because it'd require the community to come up with things on their own to augment it unless the creator wants to make every piece of "plugin" and whatnot. An open source project on the other hand is an attempt to make an entire server and doesn't really rely on the community. So yes. There is a difference. My proxy failed in the same way that API project will fail IF. and it's a big IF, the community continues their mentality of "I'm not going to help you because you'll be competition".


Biggest problem in this community is as follows: Everyone wants to make their own "thing" that they can claim ownership and fame over.

[Korvacs]

Im sorry but now your just making excuses, you want the community to change, but dont want to be the one to do it, all talk, no action. That is exactly why this is entirely wasted as a thread, if you want to change it then change it, go learn how to find the encryption and release it, or work on a pserver api that will work for versions which you do have the encryption for. Both of these things are easily within your reach yet you claim that you cant do it because people wont share things with you, well if they wont share with you, what stops you from gaining the knowledge yourself and sharing with the community?

Nothing. But you expect other people to do it for you, so at the end of the day what makes you any better than the community itself?

/thread

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

Im sorry but now your just making excuses, you want the community to change, but dont want to be the one to do it, all talk, no action. That is exactly why this is entirely wasted as a thread, if you want to change it then change it, go learn how to find the encryption and release it, or work on a pserver api that will work for versions which you do have the encryption for. Both of these things are easily within your reach yet you claim that you cant do it because people wont share things with you, well if they wont share with you, what stops you from gaining the knowledge yourself and sharing with the community?

Nothing. But you expect other people to do it for you, so at the end of the day what makes you any better than the community itself?

/thread

I can't be the one to change the mentality that it's in now. I'm not the one with all the hoarded information. Trust me, if I had the new password enc, all the new packet structs, whatever was missing from the community, it wouldn't be missing anymore. You on the other hand, you would NOT do that. You would continue to keep it private as you've made very clear in this thread.

I'm also not complaining people won't share with me. I love how you think this is a complaint thread that people won't share with me. You're sorely mistaken. Please see the door to the left and kindly leave this thread as you are of no benefit to the discussion or nor the community's wellbeing at this point as you want nothing more than an elite status where all the best kept secrets are and none of the commoners are allowed access. I know that's funny coming from a Lv2, but it is the truth. If you had your way I'm sure you'd stick all the people who knew all the secrets in Lv2 and kick everyone else out and leave it that way until the endtimes.

[Korvacs]

More talk, still no action.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

More talk, still no action.

Sorry, let me whip up an entire source over the course of one day. Aaaaand, done. There. You'll see my release once I package it up within the next hour or two.

/sarcasm


Now you're just posting to be hostile like usual. Trying to act all badass, trying to call me out. Why are you trying to call me out? You WANT the community to dive further into ground? What is your goal here? You seem to be against everything I say, yet everything I say would benefit the community.