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Let's talk - Private servers 2020

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Old 08/11/2020, 10:45   #31
 
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There are many things wrong with the sro scene, not even sure I could remember everything while writing.

P2W - Yeah, sro has always been p2w, including the original servers. Starting from the VIP system in the old times (as I know its still a thing on isro) to , it's just how they built the game, it was their decision to make their profit from not only cosmetics, but cosmetics that give advantage too.
Crate/Box = Magic POP with different icons & 1 click. Why people fail to realize it simply amazes me. And servers sell this idea as the core of "play2win" since you can get 1 box a day freely (or so). Yeah you could just give a pop card and let people roll in the npc, same result.

Jobbing - Main issue is that it's boring. Since every server is p2w , there's 2 class - >

Donators who just go thief with the best sets that they bought for silk ||
Free players who are forced to trade (and be traders) to have a chance to catch up with donators after 1-2 weeks of boring trading. Sadly thieves usually just take the goods in the early days, further fking up casuals.
Might be a considerable option to disable thiefing in the first 1-2 week -> Economy effects are untested so who knows.

Coins/Activity points - I mean there's a currency in the game already called GOLD, adding more kind of points coins just decrease its value.

Silk scrolls
- Its just a QoL change that actually helps non donators too. I mean it's worse if the only way to acquire items like prem (or something that gives advantage devil etc) is to donate. Either remove the advantage items or keep the scrolls lul.

Profit - Servers need to make profit. Of course, you invest time (well not everyone), money into a project , you want to make profit. Which is completely fine, but since the community allows it, the main focus of the project is to generate as much money as possible in one month, then reopen the brand in a few months and do the same. Who cares if the server dies in a month if you made 5-6x your investment. I seriously doubt this will ever change.

Conclusion - Silkroad is silkroad. You can try to change it, but then you lose Silkroad.
Is it possible to make a truly play2win server that generates profit for the team ? YES.
Will anyone do it ? Unlikely.
$5000 in 1 month > $2000 in 2-3month .


P.S : Dizzy if u make a server drop coins/points/crates , make a server based on gold & silk. No joke I don't even bother to read threads that have 5 different coin types , 3 different crates , and 15 ways to obtain those. That's not Silkroad at all. Sro was never great because of those.
I bet everyone loved the buggy & laggy sjsro/esro more than any one of the past 2-3 years servers with their "epic" inventions =).
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Old 08/11/2020, 11:12   #32



 
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Also ich sehe hier nur rumgeheule von Leute die mit ihren servern gescheitert sind und nicht gebacken bekommen haben weil es andere besser machen auch wenn sie pay2win sind silk scroll hin oder her auch ohne silk scroll sind server pay2win sobald sie eine donate option drin haben isset pay2win kommt mal klar es ist ein spiel wenn ihrs nicht gebacken bekommt nen server aufzumachen der erfolg hat egal ob pay2win play2win gold2win coin2win box2win porn2win leckarsch2win etc dann lasset sein weil ihr die hier rumheult alle 2 stunden nen thread aufmacht seit nicht besser denn ihr wollt es den anderen blos nicht gönnen
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Old 08/11/2020, 11:14   #33
 
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I bet everyone loved the buggy & laggy sjsro/esro more than any one of the past 2-3 years servers with their "epic" inventions =).
Question is, were people enjoying playing those buggy servers because there were no alternative other than isro or people actually enjoy playing such servers cuz when eSRO came out most of the community went there
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Just having a server where they're not aiming for milking every single $ from your pocket + non-corrupted team would be enough. Not corrupted sv = no Futu/EG server = fair gameplay. Servers usually are way different than advertised, everything changed to suit guilds cause they're getting their ***** rekt
You can't stop players from joining your server unfortunately, even if you don't pay them to play, if they wanna play they will, that's the whole idea behind making one, for it to be popular.
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You can't stop players from joining your server unfortunately, even if you don't pay them to play, if they wanna play they will, that's the whole idea behind making one, for it to be popular.
You don't really believe they're joining just to play, it's a business for those monkeys - getting money by selling your own guildmates and lying to them
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Old 08/11/2020, 16:13   #36
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Threads like this, like someone said already, come and go

Im actually surprised that all but 2 posts have been actually good criticism and nothing has escalated to throwing insults and blame on others

As someone that has been behind the scenes on this forum for almost 8 years, I can share some insights of what this community is at times
"My team member(s) stole my stuff. I payed him $1000 to set me a server, he did and now he stole my database after 1 month of running" is SO **** common that I never wonder why servers are just being used to suck dry people's wallets. The issue about this community's corruption and bad quality can be summed on that statement. Lot of people out there are greedy to get cash. So far that they will wont doubt on backstabbing others on a team for having a PRETTY big gain. On top of that, I believe a big majority of these people are either Underage or between 18-19 years old. It is not like an old guy cant scam others, but just show that these people are both immature and impulsive

Whenever money is involve, it most likely attract the wrong kind of people. It is like a lure

As someone that has been on SRO for almost 15 year now, I have seen all types of people, which is a shame. I know for a fact that there are LOTS of good people out there trying to work hard to make a private server's time be an enjoyable experience. I'm far from a competent guy on a lot of stuff, but I try doing my best and I wish I could help the community more directly not just as a mod but as an active member



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Old 08/11/2020, 18:05   #37



 
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Your country: China
Possibly your faith: Buddhist
You pray and adore the piece of wood that you built with your hand. You want help from him. You need x100 brains. Hell is calling you.
You haven't posted anything normal in this thread - You are the people who ruin this community with ur toxicity just get out.

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Threads like this, like someone said already, come and go

Im actually surprised that all but 2 posts have been actually good criticism and nothing has escalated to throwing insults and blame on others

As someone that has been behind the scenes on this forum for almost 8 years, I can share some insights of what this community is at times
"My team member(s) stole my stuff. I payed him $1000 to set me a server, he did and now he stole my database after 1 month of running" is SO DAMN common that I never wonder why servers are just being used to suck dry people's wallets. The issue about this community's corruption and bad quality can be summed on that statement. Lot of people out there are greedy to get cash. So far that they will wont doubt on backstabbing others on a team for having a PRETTY big gain. On top of that, I believe a big majority of these people are either Underage or between 18-19 years old. It is not like an old guy cant scam others, but just show that these people are both immature and impulsive

Whenever money is involve, it most likely attract the wrong kind of people. It is like a lure

As someone that has been on SRO for almost 15 year now, I have seen all types of people, which is a shame. I know for a fact that there are LOTS of good people out there trying to work hard to make a private server's time be an enjoyable experience. I'm far from a competent guy on a lot of stuff, but I try doing my best and I wish I could help the community more directly not just as a mod but as an active member

If there's a lot of scamming on epvp why can't epvp do something about it like HWID ban those scammers on the forum? I mean is not hard to do it if enough proof is provided.

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You can't stop players from joining your server unfortunately, even if you don't pay them to play, if they wanna play they will, that's the whole idea behind making one, for it to be popular.
Ban Middle Eastern IP's and Turkey problem solved

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Also ich sehe hier nur rumgeheule von Leute die mit ihren servern gescheitert sind und nicht gebacken bekommen haben weil es andere besser machen auch wenn sie pay2win sind silk scroll hin oder her auch ohne silk scroll sind server pay2win sobald sie eine donate option drin haben isset pay2win kommt mal klar es ist ein spiel wenn ihrs nicht gebacken bekommt nen server aufzumachen der erfolg hat egal ob pay2win play2win gold2win coin2win box2win porn2win leckarsch2win etc dann lasset sein weil ihr die hier rumheult alle 2 stunden nen thread aufmacht seit nicht besser denn ihr wollt es den anderen blos nicht gönnen
Would prefer if you would post it in English - Do not understand German sorry.

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You don't really believe they're joining just to play, it's a business for those monkeys - getting money by selling your own guildmates and lying to them
Exactly why I mean that guilds kind of ruin everything - since they started collecting money to join servers. They no longer join any servers that are good or interesting they would rather just wait for someone to come and pay them - I know this because I refused a lot of guilds when I was working with Radium.
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Well im playing on pservers for years now, cant even count how many ive played. Your right, but its also a problem with the community in general. Yes all servers are similar and a lot of them are pay2win. But why do you always need so much new and special stuff. Normal sro back in the days was sick. Make a basic server, add some cool uniques and activities and it would be perfect. But players nowadays will probably see it different. There are right now some small servers who do it right in my opinion, like Asatru. No pay2win, nice gameplay, stable and long term gameplay. But theres usually one thing missing...a high player count
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Old 08/11/2020, 19:54   #39
 
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You don't really believe they're joining just to play, it's a business for those monkeys - getting money by selling your own guildmates and lying to them
Probably not, but at the same time, when you look at the most common nationalities of the community, you can't just block an entire ISP.
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Well im playing on pservers for years now, cant even count how many ive played. Your right, but its also a problem with the community in general. Yes all servers are similar and a lot of them are pay2win. But why do you always need so much new and special stuff. Normal sro back in the days was sick. Make a basic server, add some cool uniques and activities and it would be perfect. But players nowadays will probably see it different. There are right now some small servers who do it right in my opinion, like Asatru. No pay2win, nice gameplay, stable and long term gameplay. But theres usually one thing missing...a high player count
Higher player count doesn't mean a better server best servers i played when i was playing are the servers that had 300 unique players we just made a community inside the game we had our own dramas and fights made our activities and everything these are the type of games that lasts not games where guilds are paid to play for a couple of weeks then leave because they aren't paid anymore and kill the server upon exiting.
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Old 08/11/2020, 21:20   #41
 
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Higher player count doesn't mean a better server best servers i played when i was playing are the servers that had 300 unique players we just made a community inside the game we had our own dramas and fights made our activities and everything these are the type of games that lasts not games where guilds are paid to play for a couple of weeks then leave because they aren't paid anymore and kill the server upon exiting.
ye your right thats exactly what we do atm
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Old 08/12/2020, 01:17   #42

 
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Higher player count doesn't mean a better server best servers i played when i was playing are the servers that had 300 unique players we just made a community inside the game we had our own dramas and fights made our activities and everything these are the type of games that lasts not games where guilds are paid to play for a couple of weeks then leave because they aren't paid anymore and kill the server upon exiting.
I totally agree with what you're saying, but the chimp community will disagree with you.

You can have the best system/server in the entire scene and have 250 players, and people will spam that it was a boring and ****** server, just because of the "lack of population" - regardless of if you have a good base with casual or even high activity.
A server with "8k online" that crashes every hour will be the "best server ever" to these types of people.

Community flocks to the website - "player count" dictates whether a server is good or not - no way to change it... you can't educate these people.

Player count is in quotes because every big server that you can think of, fakes their numbers, and I would be more than happy to explain the REAL MAX CAPACITY of any server with proof.

Either way, if you don't have a massive reach and appeal to the players, it isn't even worth opening and putting effort into "a perfect server." People will always whine and complain as they always do.

TL;DR - the community is too retarded to comprehend a good system. What makes a server "good" to them, is the "player count."
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Old 08/12/2020, 01:32   #43
 
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There are many things wrong with the sro scene, not even sure I could remember everything while writing.

P2W - Yeah, sro has always been p2w, including the original servers. Starting from the VIP system in the old times (as I know its still a thing on isro) to , it's just how they built the game, it was their decision to make their profit from not only cosmetics, but cosmetics that give advantage too.
Crate/Box = Magic POP with different icons & 1 click. Why people fail to realize it simply amazes me. And servers sell this idea as the core of "play2win" since you can get 1 box a day freely (or so). Yeah you could just give a pop card and let people roll in the npc, same result.

Jobbing - Main issue is that it's boring. Since every server is p2w , there's 2 class - >

Donators who just go thief with the best sets that they bought for silk ||
Free players who are forced to trade (and be traders) to have a chance to catch up with donators after 1-2 weeks of boring trading. Sadly thieves usually just take the goods in the early days, further fking up casuals.
Might be a considerable option to disable thiefing in the first 1-2 week -> Economy effects are untested so who knows.

Coins/Activity points - I mean there's a currency in the game already called GOLD, adding more kind of points coins just decrease its value.

Silk scrolls
- Its just a QoL change that actually helps non donators too. I mean it's worse if the only way to acquire items like prem (or something that gives advantage devil etc) is to donate. Either remove the advantage items or keep the scrolls lul.

Profit - Servers need to make profit. Of course, you invest time (well not everyone), money into a project , you want to make profit. Which is completely fine, but since the community allows it, the main focus of the project is to generate as much money as possible in one month, then reopen the brand in a few months and do the same. Who cares if the server dies in a month if you made 5-6x your investment. I seriously doubt this will ever change.

Conclusion - Silkroad is silkroad. You can try to change it, but then you lose Silkroad.
Is it possible to make a truly play2win server that generates profit for the team ? YES.
Will anyone do it ? Unlikely.
$5000 in 1 month > $2000 in 2-3month .


P.S : Dizzy if u make a server drop coins/points/crates , make a server based on gold & silk. No joke I don't even bother to read threads that have 5 different coin types , 3 different crates , and 15 ways to obtain those. That's not Silkroad at all. Sro was never great because of those.
I bet everyone loved the buggy & laggy sjsro/esro more than any one of the past 2-3 years servers with their "epic" inventions =).
gold & silk server based i have created it before old school system but i still using the 4x coins i put them in npc the way you can get this coin only with normal gold explain coin Price
Gold Coin: 1'000'000'000
Silver Coin: 500'000'000
Iron Coin: 250'000'000
Bronze coin: 125'000'000

you can get the normal gold from trade jobbing

i would say that a best system only gold & silk server based as you said
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Old 08/12/2020, 03:07   #44

 
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@ page 4 is what you were referring to in your original comment?
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there are MANY ways to say your opinion without being an asshat about it

Chill the **** down
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