Gedankenspiele und Motivation, Diskussion?

[MrDemian]

Guten Abend Flyff,

Wir arbeiten nun seit Jahren mit Flyff, die Frage die sich mir immer und immer wieder stellt ist das Warum.
Ich habe ebenfalls Jahre damit verbracht habe es mir zum Hobby gemacht und jeder 0815-Server wurde zu zusätzlicher Motivation.

Aber ich muss ehrlich gestehen die Luft ist raus und ich frage mich warum, was ist es wonach wir uns sehnen, arbeiten wir wirklich dauerhaft weiter um vielleicht dieses Flyff-Gefühl wieder zubekommen was man damals auf Offi hatte oder arbeitet man einfach auf dieses "Ich will was erreichen Gefühl" hin um seine Ideen wie man das Spiel besser machen könnte zu verwirklichen.

Seit 2014 bin ich nun "Aktiv" hier im Forum damals schon bei 1nG4m3rs aber sobald ich mir neue Spiele anschaue wirkt das was wir hier tun wie eine Art Kindergarten Malgruppe. Flyff Models sehen mittlerweile im Vergleich aus wie Kinderskizzen und auch dort stellt sich mir die Frage warum arbeitet man damit weiter warum zieht dieses Spiel welches an sich natürlich mehr einem Idle Game gleicht soviele Leute an? Ist es so weil Alternativen fehlen? Oder wie ich Anfangs schon davon sprach das Nostalgie Gefühl? Meine Gedanken rundum Optik Animationen Models schwirrten mir täglich im Kopf rum.

Mein "Projekt" in welches ich so viel Arbeit investiert habe wird wohl auch für immer auf der Festplatte schmoren einfach weil ich mir mittlerweile denke wozu?

Ich finde es einfach irgendwo interessant das es doch noch so viele Spieler gibt die Flyff in seiner Urform interessant finden bspw der 2018 Ableger mit Playpark. Ein Spiel welches Fast an der 20 Jahre Marke kratzt bekommt auch wenn nur im Asiatischem Raum nochmals eine Wiederauferstehung? Das ist in meinen Augen Krass.

Das waren nur ein paar Gedanken meinerseits, mich würde allgemein mal interessieren was Ihr dazu denkt, weil für mich persönlich ist die Motivation echt verflogen irgendwas zu machen selbst wenn ich die Zeit dazu hätte.

Oder laufen die meisten Server einfach nur als kleines Taschengeld für nebenbei?

Mit liebem Gruß,
Robin

[Avalion]

I have lost the majority of my motivation as well. For me, it's mainly that I do not really earn any profit or anything from working on the game. That might sound bad, but working on it really gains me nothing. My time is consumed with two real jobs and then doing some stuff with friends.

Now for me, It would be different if I didn't have to work two jobs. If I could just laze around, I would feel more obligated to get back to working on my stuff. A lot of these servers that come out aren't too intensely different nor customized. Half of the stuff can simply be replicated.

Now, every server I play is quite boring. Nowadays, it's all practically the same, or the servers are just badly done. It honestly makes me think that any of these people that run servers hasn't played an mmorpg since 2006. lmao. I am not complaining about any nostalgia, but when times start evolving new ideas are put on the field which obviously makes games better.

[ディオニュソス]

Originally Posted by Avalion

...Half of the stuff can simply be replicated...

Go for it, if you can easily replicate the stuff the top servers have, you can quit your two jobs and live off flyff.

You guys really have to get over it, people who play flyff do it for nostalgia, people who develop flyff do it for money. No more, no less.

If people wanted to play a modern MMO they could just download one, just saying. Don't try to "modernize" flyff, you won't have an audience. If you want to "modernize" flyff you might as well just make a new game using a proper engine using proper models/textures, but who'd want to do that? (Insanity HD is a meme and they should get over it, too)

[Avalion]

Originally Posted by ディオニュソス

Go for it, if you can easily replicate the stuff the top servers have, you can quit your two jobs and live off flyff.

You guys really have to get over it, people who play flyff do it for nostalgia, people who develop flyff do it for money. No more, no less.

If people wanted to play a modern MMO they could just download one, just saying. Don't try to "modernize" flyff, you won't have an audience. If you want to "modernize" flyff you might as well just make a new game using a proper engine using proper models/textures, but who'd want to do that? (Insanity HD is a meme and they should get over it, too)

1.3k to 300. New cluster when. Also, that isn't so official like, isnt it.


And you can probably get quite a decent audience by doing a few things with modernizing the game -- not completely modernizing the game. Also, the game could use better balance with not just pvp, but the whole structure of the gameplay itself. lmao. But, what can I say, most people that do develop don't even play the game nor play any mmos.

[ディオニュソス]

Originally Posted by Avalion

1.3k to 300. New cluster when. Also, that isn't so official like, isnt it.

I don't see how that's any relevant here, I've never mentioned any specific features or servers, although I'd love to see you replicating some of mine to run properly

Originally Posted by Avalion

And you can probably get quite a decent audience by doing a few things with modernizing the game -- not completely modernizing the game. Also, the game could use better balance with not just pvp, but the whole structure of the gameplay itself. lmao. But, what can I say, most people that do develop don't even play the game nor play any mmos.

Well, do it then and earn yourself a fortune instead of whining online about your ****** life

[Avalion]

Originally Posted by ディオニュソス

I don't see how that's any relevant here, I've never mentioned any specific features or servers, although I'd love to see you replicating some of mine to run properly



Well, do it then and earn yourself a fortune instead of whining online about your ****** life

It is quite relevant as you're only stating nostalgia pulls players in, yet you're server isn't fully equivalent to the official servers nor from the past official servers. Your server contains changed mechanics and some of them are indeed modern mechanics. Other than that, you must be doing something incorrect if you're player based has dropped at one point from 1.3k to 0 for a new cluster to be opened and that already being dropped to 300. Not saying much but playpark may or may not have more concurrent players.

Haven't I already replicated a few? Maybe a bit done very terribly with my lack of knowledge, but regardless. lmao. Also, there are a lot of people here that couldn't be bothered to replicate them; however, they could quite easily do so.

You're definition of whine is very closed-minded and makes yourself look like a narcissistic sociopath by the way -- but what can I say, apparently stating some life facts about oneself equates to a whine.

[.S0ulSeller]

We live in a time where everybody thinks the same:
Higher, Faster, Further

What everybody is looking for is a feeling where you build your character step by step where you feel like every day you play gave your character some sort of progress.
The problem which occurs here is that meanwhile nobody wants "to waste his time" with levels 1-60... "The real game starts at 105 or even hero, right?"

But that's not how it works the result of that logic is that you reach max level within 2 minutes and then grind your *** off with platin levels... I'd rather level slowlier and enjoy the world of Madrigal again... Maybe that is a way to think about "nostalgic feelings".

@ mir geht es auch immer wieder wie dir, ich habe Files auf der Festplatte wo ich genau weiß, die werde ich nie online haben und besonders viel lerne ich von diesem tollen Code auch nicht mehr...
Es ist für mich tatsächlich die Möglichkeit, etwas eigenes zu erschaffen und theoretisch alle Möglichkeiten zu haben die ich mir nur erdenken kann... Aber in der Praxis arbeite ich paar Wochen an den Files und höre wieder auf, weil früh oder später wieder die Frage nach dem "Warum" auftaucht.

IFeelYou

[TheGodIsHereBrah]

Originally Posted by .S0ulSeller

We live in a time where everybody thinks the same:
Higher, Faster, Further

What everybody is looking for is a feeling where you build your character step by step where you feel like every day you play gave your character some sort of progress.
The problem which occurs here is that meanwhile nobody wants "to waste his time" with levels 1-60... "The real game starts at 105 or even hero, right?"

But that's not how it works the result of that logic is that you reach max level within 2 minutes and then grind your *** off with platin levels... I'd rather level slowlier and enjoy the world of Madrigal again... Maybe that is a way to think about "nostalgic feelings".

@ mir geht es auch immer wieder wie dir, ich habe Files auf der Festplatte wo ich genau weiß, die werde ich nie online haben und besonders viel lerne ich von diesem tollen Code auch nicht mehr...
Es ist für mich tatsächlich die Möglichkeit, etwas eigenes zu erschaffen und theoretisch alle Möglichkeiten zu haben die ich mir nur erdenken kann... Aber in der Praxis arbeite ich paar Wochen an den Files und höre wieder auf, weil früh oder später wieder die Frage nach dem "Warum" auftaucht.

IFeelYou

thats why i love Flyff-Iblis it brings back oldschool flyff feeling

[xdflyff]

Originally Posted by TheGodIsHereBrah

thats why i love Flyff-Iblis it brings back oldschool flyff feeling

I agree.

[RoyalFlyff]

Originally Posted by .S0ulSeller

We live in a time where everybody thinks the same:
Higher, Faster, Further

What everybody is looking for is a feeling where you build your character step by step where you feel like every day you play gave your character some sort of progress.
The problem which occurs here is that meanwhile nobody wants "to waste his time" with levels 1-60... "The real game starts at 105 or even hero, right?"

But that's not how it works the result of that logic is that you reach max level within 2 minutes and then grind your *** off with platin levels... I'd rather level slowlier and enjoy the world of Madrigal again... Maybe that is a way to think about "nostalgic feelings".

I can totally understand both types of players. The first one loves Flyff, but wants new and more content. Most servers nowadays added so much custom content (maybe too much?), but on the other hand there are also people who just wants to stay in the "nostalgic bubble" where they started to love this game many years ago.