JoyMax will stop developing Silkroad?

Zackynuup · 04/12/2013, 10:53

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Originally Posted by Synx7

A full model directly created from scratch? Based on an idea that came to your mind?

Again, obviously you are underestimating the work it takes.

Again, obviously you are judging it how you see it which makes me think you didn't even read my post. I didn't say i can do it. But obviously some people who are actually "modeller" can do it. Not you or me or a 12 years old with a brain. If that was hard for him then he would not be a modeller and come here and complain how hard it is. Just like you do.

Bartic · 04/12/2013, 11:33

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Originally Posted by Zackynuup

Again, obviously you are judging it how you see it which makes me think you didn't even read my post. I didn't say i can do it. But obviously some people who are actually "modeller" can do it. Not you or me or a 12 years old with a brain. If that was hard for him then he would not be a modeller and come here and complain how hard it is. Just like you do.

Seems like you didn't understand each other. Synx said that it's impossible to create a model from scratch in a day or so. You probably meant that creating a model when you already have a concept shouldn't take much longer than a day or two for professional modeler. I agree with Synx a little bit more, but you're not wrong either. Even though you're a professional modeler, it is still going to take some time to create a model.

Kape7 · 04/12/2013, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Zackynuup

Again, obviously you are judging it how you see it which makes me think you didn't even read my post. I didn't say i can do it. But obviously some people who are actually "modeller" can do it. Not you or me or a 12 years old with a brain. If that was hard for him then he would not be a modeller and come here and complain how hard it is. Just like you do.

I'm not talking about creating the model itself, but about all the work that is behind that, create the 3D model for the game is the final step.
Why do you think games have so many concept art?

Initial idea -> Concept art -> Isometric view -> Clay model (usually created in real life) -> Occlusion map (for the textures) -> Textures -> 3D modelling -> Bones -> Animation

I'm not specialized on the process, so probably there are a lot of missing steps, but that is the minimum work a serious gaming company does for develop a new model. Do you seriously think its just open Blender or 3DMax and start creating the 3D model on-the-fly?

[B]ase[J]umP · 04/12/2013, 11:39

well,yeah the textures are probably the hardest part since it takes alot of planning,and you need to have the models and make the textures work good with animations

Zackynuup · 04/12/2013, 11:45

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Originally Posted by Synx7

I'm not talking about creating the model itself, but about all the work that is behind that, create the 3D model for the game is the final step.
Why do you think games have so many concept art?

Initial idea -> Concept art -> Isometric view -> Clay model (usually created in real life) -> Occlusion map (for the textures) -> Textures -> 3D modelling -> Bones -> Animation

I'm not specialized on the process, so probably there are a lot of missing steps, but that is the minimum work a serious gaming company does for develop a new model. Do you seriously think its just open Blender or 3DMax and start creating the 3D model on-the-fly?

You are still comparing silkroad with today's games. The art there have been and the art there is today is TOTALLY different. Pacman's model is a model too. I said "a model" not a spacecraft in dead space 3. All the argument is based on making silkroad models. I seriously think it is just open whatever program they use and start doing it FOR A MODELLER. And yes any 12 years old kid can make a model since nobody limited the time for him.

Any 12 years old kid CAN start learning, learn, learn, learn, learn, learn and then DO.

Is everyone especially trying not to understand a single thing i say here seriously?

Kape7 · 04/12/2013, 11:49

I'm losing my time trying to explain, I'm out of here.

IceAmStiel · 04/12/2013, 11:54

I could also walk across water if I was jesus <.<

There is indeed always someone that does your work faster, you act like this was something totally new. Zacky, get us a modeller that builds a proper concept + the dedicated model within a day, so hesheit can speak from experience. But stop to base your statements on assumptions.
Talking from pseud-experience makes your gibberish terribly pesky.

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Again, obviously you are judging it how you see it[..]

On what else, but your opinion, would you base a statement in a discussion?

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Originally Posted by Zackynuup

[..]But obviously some people who are actually "modeller" can do it. Not you or me or a 12 years old with a brain. If that was hard for him then he would not be a modeller and come here and complain how hard it is. Just like you do.

You don't know him, he might be a successful graphics modeller, why the heck to you presume that he's not capable of it?
And synx is obviously stating sane ideas, nothing that could be classified as complaining.

Zackynuup · 04/12/2013, 12:20

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Originally Posted by IceAmStiel

I could also walk across water if I was jesus <.<

There is indeed always someone that does your work faster, you act like this was something totally new. Zacky, get us a modeller that builds a proper concept + the dedicated model within a day, so hesheit can speak from experience. But stop to base your statements on assumptions.
Talking from pseud-experience makes your gibberish terribly pesky.

On what else, but your opinion, would you base a statement in a discussion?

You don't know him, he might be a successful graphics modeller, why the heck to you presume that he's not capable of it?
And synx is obviously stating sane ideas, nothing that could be classified as complaining.

The one that you can't prove that is also you can't disprove. I am not going to search youtube for you. There are videos in speedview. Total timelapse can't be over 10 hours for a silkroad model for those people. Some people can create models for silkroad on epvp. So make sure they go get a job with that. People are paying courses thousands of dollars just to learn how to do it faster. While there are freely available movies on youtube they still pay it because it is better. And anything you say "its hard" can be classified as a complaint.

IceAmStiel · 04/12/2013, 12:35

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Originally Posted by Zackynuup

The one that you can't prove that is also you can't disprove. I am not going to search youtube for you. There are videos in speedview. Total timelapse can't be over 10 hours for a silkroad model for those people. Some people can create models for silkroad on epvp. So make sure they go get a job with that. People are paying courses thousands of dollars just to learn how to do it faster. While there are freely available movies on youtube they still pay it because it is better.

You suffer from dyslexia, plus you're mentally disabled < disprove it please, or stop to talk due to your illness

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[..]that builds a proper concept + the dedicated model within a day[..]

And you assume that they came up with the idea of the model while they were taking the video? Either you're totally naive or you simply lack of common sense.

"can't be" < Assumption

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And anything you say "its hard" can be classified as a complaint.

Your logic really amuses me ;D "I managed it to achieve an A grade even though the test was hard" - is that a complaint as well?

Zackynuup · 04/12/2013, 12:41

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Originally Posted by IceAmStiel

You suffer from dyslexia, plus you're mentally disabled < disprove it please, or stop to talk due to your illness

Prove it please. PS; i can be but i can't know that. That would be a shame on you for still arguing with a person who is mentally disabled. Yet i am not the one who is insulting over an argument here.

I am no further going to try to explain what i have said and also Carl Sagan can be wrong about his external dimensional speaches but you don't have the ballz to disprove it sorry.

IceAmStiel · 04/12/2013, 12:57

Oh dear.. you just contradicted yourself..

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The one that you can't prove that is also you can't disprove.

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Prove it please.

^Find the failure.

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PS; i can be but i can't know that. That would be a shame on you for still arguing with a person who is mentally disabled.

You should appreciate it that I generously made you aware of it, that's nothing I should be ashamed of, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by Zackynuup

I am no further going to try to explain what i have said and also Carl Sagan can be wrong about his external dimensional speaches but you don't have the ballz to disprove it sorry.

Escaping from the conversation when you're out of words is the right move dude

PS.: I do believe in multiverses and indeed also infinite dimensions myself

Zackynuup · 04/12/2013, 13:05

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Originally Posted by IceAmStiel

Oh dear.. you just contradicted yourself..

^Find the failure.

You should appreciate it that I generously made you aware of it, that's nothing I should be ashamed of, don't you think?

Escaping from the conversation when you're out of words is the right move dude

PS.: I do believe in multiverses and indeed also infinite dimensions myself

Out of words? "You do not understand me" is my argument. You do not understand it still

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Of course any 12 years old with no disease or mental illness can create a model but he/she will be 13 when its done lol. You guys are overestimating everything and understanding each other totally wrong sometimes. You can create a model and that can take a week. Good for you but that doesn't make you a modeller.

A real modeller with a job, who knows easier methods of making it can be doing it in a day or hours. You can make an emulator. That can take 1 year for you. Still something that is hard FOR YOU doesn't have to be hard for everyone else in the world. A guy who was in the project of making x game but was fired from company for some reason could very well make it's emulator in way shorter time. You don't have to judge everything how you see.

Find the failure here. All the argument was started over this post.

Make me believe it is hard to design a 3d model & animation FOR SILKROAD for a professional modeller who gets paid $15000 a month by a movie making company and then make him make a video especially about it being so hard and post it here so i will believe.

PortalDark · 04/12/2013, 13:09

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Originally Posted by Zackynuup

Out of words? "You do not understand me" is my argument. You do not understand it still

Find the failure here. All the argument was started over this post.

Make me believe it is hard to design a 3d model & animation FOR SILKROAD for a professional modeller who gets paid $15000 a month by a movie making company and then make him make a video especially about it and post it here so i will believe.

it is hard
why do you think Joymax has been recycling all the models all over
repainting is easy
and no, im not a graphic designer, and yes I know many, and believe me, even for SRO, any kind of model can take a while to make

Zackynuup · 04/12/2013, 13:14

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Originally Posted by PortalDark

it is hard
why do you think Joymax has been recycling all the models all over
repainting is easy
and no, im not a graphic designer, and yes I know many, and believe me, even for SRO, any kid of model can take a while to make

I am not saying it is not hard for you. I am saying it would not be hard for someone really skilled and gets paid from what he does. There is thousands of models in silkroad. Some of them big some of tham small. We are not only discussing about the biggest the most complicated models. Of course i know it can take a **** year to make some model that contains more details than the entire game. We are talking about some model any model. Like i don't know a mangyang. Tell me it would take more than a day for someone designer, modeller.

Something being hard does not make it impossible so any 12 years old kid can learn how to do it then do it. That can be hard or that can take a year. This line agrees with most of their points but they still argue. I am starting to think it is a troll argument anyway.

PortalDark · 04/12/2013, 13:20

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Originally Posted by Zackynuup

I am not saying it is not hard for you. I am saying it would not be hard for someone really skilled and gets paid from what he can does. There is thousands of models in silkroad. Some of them big some of tham small. We are not only discussing about the biggest the most complicated models. Of course i know it can take a damn year to make some model that contains more details than the entire game. We are talking about some model any model. Like i don't know a mangyang. Tell me it would take more than a day for someone designer, modeller.

Something being hard does not make it impossible so any 12 years old kid can learn how to do it then do it. That can be hard or that can take a year. This line agrees with most of their points but they still argue. I am starting to think it is a troll argument anyway.

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Originally Posted by PortalDark

it is hard
why do you think Joymax has been recycling all the models all over
repainting is easy
and no, im not a graphic designer, and yes I know many, and believe me, even for SRO, any kind of model can take a while to make

my point of those who I know are graphic designers, not me
also, I rarely troll on On-Topic posts, because I love my badge below my name