Lets talk, about SV and cracking

[hyphydragon]

i guarantee Zhou does not work for TQ or Netdragon he may have been a
former employee but here is my proof and u can decide for yourself from this shocking evidence.

When i wrote a email to Zhou he responded and in about 5 hours

there you have it decide for yourself

[strygwyr]

download to Gameplanet

[yamil]

I understand all the programers and coders, whats the point in bursting ur eyebrows to crack, make a DIY or make a loader for SV, when all the common memebers of this page come and leech, i am a leecher and a wannabe programer/coder, not even say thanks, and when they post a program made by themselves, members says it doesnt work or it has virus and flame them.
I have been here for long time, i have seen many ppl come and go, i have been playing for 4 years now, common members come to leech and dont even say thanks,
(offtopic: Say thanks for the things u have in 3 clicks and save u time infornt of the pc, even in ur own language if u dont know english, and others spend their time making it and releasing it for free, not like SV),
and complain in functions of the bots/macros made by our programers/coders, but when SV stop working they dont get mad and flame 9net*whatever*9, noooooooo, they ask to them, the same they flamed, aka programers/coders to help them out and release a code injection, loader or whatever u want to call it to keep botting.
The point is clear, ur personal bot get flamed by leechers, but when u crack SV u r GOD, is true programers/coders will get mad at SV being back, and it will bring more leechers, BUT, i also understand and defend a position from the leechers side, me, SV is a paid program who interacts with Conquer, a free game, and do almost all for u.
Some of us live in far countries that sucks, my case, Argentina aka The Ass of The world, we have shitty currency, 3 ars 1 usd, so pay for this program, SV, is not easy for us, more if u concider PayPal ask for a credit card, forget a Visa Credit Card, so we cant pay by any way, we dont have the amount or we dont want to waste our money in it and even if we want we cant since this is a shitty country.
SV is a macro, i know, it handles memory addresses, thats why u can minimize it and it still works, what more it has, auto loot and hunt, it can be used to pk, to follow, to dc, to stig, to mine and some others thing more i cant remember right now.
Here is my thought, re allow SV topic, put the NON CRACKED VERSION, and if some programer/coder want to put a DIY or a loader up to him, make a special section about SV, so all the spam stay there.
About SV overshadowing all, here is my thought:
Any chance to mix cotobo, cid or v3 proxy, and an autoclicker? I am pretty sure if Calagan, god of Cotobo, XTremeX, god of the Cid, and Else, god of the macros join efforts they can make SV look like a shit, compared to their massive monster bot, but one thing, if they join efforts and make it, will u 3 charge us money to use it?

Thats all, my wall of text, lol, cya.

[soymadmax]

Originally Posted by bone-you

How do my arguments fail? Programming and memory addresses are not the same. That argument fails. You're saying no one helps? Being a programmer does not mean you're a master of memory addresses of a game client. Not everyone can answer you there. To get a memory address can be as easy as loading tsearch and finding a value. Doesn't take a programmer to do that. But it is a step.

1.What do you mean learning anyway? How do you learn from having SV given to you pre-cracked? Nothing. What does a DIY guide teach? It has the potential to teach how to figure out how to crack it in the future. Few people that hack on games have any desire to learn. They just want their instant fix and that's it. They're called leechers. Nothing wrong with them, but SV brought around far too many of them and cast the real programmers here aside since no one could whip up something as good.

You can argue with me all you want, but it wasn't me who made that rule. All I'm doing is enforcing it. If you have an issue with it talk to a1 or DM.

2.I'm letting this topic stay open personally because I like to hear what people have to say. Discussion never hurts, but if it gets too rowdy complaining about SV then it will be locked and there won't be another. If you have something to say that's fine, but READ what the arguments are before you post otherwise your post will not come off as very intelligent.

This is how it is.

3.The reason SV was removed is because this is a hacking forum, not a cracking forum. This forum is for community made hacks. 9net9 is presenting themselves as a company whether or not they are a part of TQ and therefore is not a part of the community. Even charges for their bot. Since it needs to be cracked to be used without pay, it isn't what this forum is about and was removed.
4.SV also caused people to not want to make other bots seeing as SV covered a lot of ground itself. Why make another when there's already one that does it all? No one would use it seeing as SV is established and decent. It hindered development and this isn't an SV co section. It's a CO hacking section. What good is it if the only thing available is SV?

I'm still not sure of what all of your [guys'] arguments are about. 5.Why SHOULD SV be allowed here? There's all the reason to not have it here but no real reason why it SHOULD be here other than the fact that it's for CO. 6.Even if it was allowed, who's going to crack it? I don't think the programmers here would want to much anymore seeing as how better off the servers and the projects are without it public. That means we're back at square 1. No SV and no one willing to learn.

Well, first of all thank your for your respecful answer, that its hard to see in forums. There are things im agree and disagree about what u posted.

1. About first bold sentence, I "learned" like 6 friends who were completely noobs what a memory address is, they discovered a never seen program called cheat engine and in previous versions they learned another third-party useful programs. Im the first one who thinks a retarded video guide to everybody was a fail, but old DIY were followed by loads of people and sucessfull.

2. Really thank you again, im tired of nazi forums / mods and its nice seeing people still open mind.

3. My opinion its that sounds as a lawyer excuse

4. Like the proxies which everybody is using? U can do a few things with SV, u can do all with a proxy, including banning others changing char name, stole people easier, fuck the pvp system...
I think what mainly fails about SV issue its there are loads of bigger crap released nobody talk about and everybody talks about morality when talking about sv... i really dont get your point.

5. And why it was allowed (before guides, it was direct download) so many years in past? And why it was suddenly removed/censored?

6. Maybe u have reason again, anyway its whats happens when u deny one thing, it becames claimed by everybody. Its legal smoking marihuana in Holland but there are lots more of people who smoke it in my country cuz its not tolerated here, getting my point?

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by soymadmax

Well, first of all thank your for your respecful answer, that its hard to see in forums. There are things im agree and disagree about what u posted.

1. About first bold sentence, I "learned" like 6 friends who were completely noobs what a memory address is, they discovered a never seen program called cheat engine and in previous versions they learned another third-party useful programs. Im the first one who thinks a retarded video guide to everybody was a fail, but old DIY were followed by loads of people and sucessfull.

2. Really thank you again, im tired of **** forums / mods and its nice seeing people still open mind.

3. My opinion its that sounds as a lawyer excuse

4. Like the proxies which everybody is using? U can do a few things with SV, u can do all with a proxy, including banning others changing char name, stole people easier, **** the pvp system...
I think what mainly fails about SV issue its there are loads of bigger **** released nobody talk about and everybody talks about morality when talking about sv... i really dont get your point.

5. And why it was allowed (before guides, it was direct download) so many years in past? And why it was suddenly removed/censored?

6. Maybe u have reason again, anyway its whats happens when u deny one thing, it becames claimed by everybody. Its legal smoking marihuana in Holland but there are lots more of people who smoke it in my country cuz its not tolerated here, getting my point?

It wasn't my call to remove SV. All I do is uphold the rules. If you REALLY want this discussion to get past our block we've hit, ask a1blaster why :P

[evanxxxm]

and he will be pretty **** if we ask why
because there is another thread fully explain the situation

if SV is unblocked, i guess i can retired for a while
so troublesome to debug those memory bots everyday

[UPSman2]

/agree

[Matt.dk]

can I post SV uncracked or not?

I will happily state in the topic that a public DIY or other instruction on how to crack it is not allowed, but that users must figure out how to crack it for themselves.

Only reason I'm willing to post it, is because there is no public download for SV uncracked.

[evanxxxm]

nope
probably will get u ban if u post against warning

[Matt.dk]

Well, I've been at elitepvp for a long time, and in my opinion having cracked SV around never hindered the development of other bots and tools.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Matt.dk

Well, I've been at elitepvp for a long time, and in my opinion having cracked SV around never hindered the development of other bots and tools.

That's because you've never developed anything. Who would when SV does it all for you?

[PooRNooB]

Originally Posted by bone-you

That's because you've never developed anything. Who would when SV does it all for you?

Hmm and where has a good developed bot that worth to donwload? actually theres has some but they dont do 5% that SV does... AND with randon bugs and some more troubles ... If you give a choice between SV and some " Developed " bots ... 100% SV ... ppl are tired of using pixel bots and problematics ones ( if they donwload the developed ones its because theres has no choice but in the end they stop using , like me for example )... theres has some bot (1~2 ) that worth a try , a example are bots for tao , that dont need too many functions to work ... but ppl like other classes too.

It is what i wanted to say.

[Matt.dk]

Originally Posted by bone-you

That's because you've never developed anything. Who would when SV does it all for you?

Having SV around never slowed the development, it slowed the user rate, because people would rather use a bot like SV compared to a pixel based macro...

I can name off a slew of co tools and bots that were produced during the time that SV was allowed here.

****, I use co2m8, I always had.

What good are those other tools and bots when you got proxies floating around that can do everything for you? Proxies that ruin the game itself for everyone around you? SV doesn't ruin the game for the whole server, proxies do though.

I'll follow the rules you guys impose. I will not post the uncracked versions of SV up for download. But its good that we have this discussion, get everything out in the open, see user opinions on the subject.

[Hiyoal]

I can see that you have a very good arguement for the releasing of SV again but I really do think that it is against copyright.

Think about it in this way:

If you were a terrorist and the feds came to your door to check if you had any bombs, they didnt find any but they found pages upon pages on how to make bombs...What would they say??
"Its not against the law to have documents SHOWING how to make bombs which are legitimately dangerous against the state/country??" I dont think so!!

Its the same with SV. If you give out SV cracking tutorials, then you aren't giving out the REAL THING but you are giving "Paperwork" on how to "Make SV Work" which is against the rules (or for the rules warez...which is illegal)

Thats just my opinion on this topic,

Hiyoal

[evanxxxm]

your concept is just wrong
for example, there are cheap and expensive restaurants available for u to choose
u are poor, but u love eating expensive restaurant, so u decide to steal
u are caught by police, and u give ten million reasons why its legal to steal
because:
1. the food is much better
2. i am poor, i dont have visa, and he is charging too expensive
3. even i steal the expensive restaurant, it wont affect those cheap restaurants anyways (wtf)
4. instead of killing, i steal only, i am being generous
5. i have money, i can go to eat expensive restaurant, just that i need to help those poor noobs to eat expensive food too (2x wtf)
6. dont be so extreme, stealing is nothing comparing to Terrorists , bombs , jail , exploding..etc(by PooRNooB)
7. people take napkins, forks in restaruant anyways, why the heck u care if i steal the food(by PooRNooB)
8. stealing food is not a big deal, its only less than $60 (by PooRNooB)

etc...

it just doesnt make sense right? well thats what u all have been reasoning
i dont even know if i should call u guys funny or idiots

i am not against using SV
i am against disrespecting the author, and crack his program

if that author decide to create a thread here and let people download his program with/without charges.
i dont have problems with that at all

(besides isnt there a popular program that shows AD every hour to earn money?)


PS* i never use SV, i have been always create bots to play my games. i start releasing/creating bots for this forum after the down fall of SV. and YES, it does matter if SV is legal or not in this forum, u know there are more than like 20+ people just ask me how to make AHK bots because of my open scripts and no good bots to use?

of course there are certain people like "the ones asking for SV", they only interested in using. which i dont care about them most
if u show a little bit interest in programming, and u have a question asking me
even its some other languages, i willing to spend hours just to help finding out the answer, and i dont mind at all