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[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Mr_PoP

I NEVER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE ASKED ANYONE TO CODE FOR ME!
I asked you to make your server online through teamviewer whats wrong with that it's your source after all, I was noob that something I will never be ashamed of , I was asking too many question will never be ashamed of that also , was finding the old/good coder and ask their help/advice something I will never be ashamed of , so proving that I was noob wont change the fact that your now asking ppl to share stuff which they worked hard to figure it out themselves , while you can do the same and find it yourself!!!

Actually, that's where you're wrong. I can't find it myself because it's all locked up being held hostage by the people who figured it out. Sure, I could go learn assembly and spend a load of time to figure it out myself, but that is hardly comparable to your case. To compare it to you, I'd have to be asking someone how to learn assembly for a few months straight getting in deep way over my head on projects I obviously can't handle since I don't know the language.

Reinventing the wheel sucks. I've done it so much already. I'm not here asking anyone to give me anything though. You sound like you're assuming I am.. Never once in this thread have I asked anyone for anything. I am only asking why everything is so closed since this thread was originally a subconvo inside the thread of the guy asking to buy the encryption info.

[Lateralus]

Originally Posted by bone-you

I'm not saying anyone's a ****** developer. I myself though, am a ****** assembly dev. Asking me to open IDA or Olly is a joke. Sure, I can analyze it a little bit and make use of some IDA plugins to port asm to some sort of readable c++, but trying to figure things like encryption out via it... just far beyond me.

If you're serious, reading and translating assembly instructions to higher-level languages is easy, especially coming from a C++ background. The hardest part is finding the crypt routines; after that, set a breakpoint at the beginning, trace through the routine, and translate it. Saying that, I haven't tried getting it because it has absolutely no relevance to my projects, so it's probably harder than that.

I don't claim to be GREAT at reversing, but I'm open to whatever questions you have about it (see what I did there?). I'm not going to blatantly tell someone "here's how to do xxxxx - edit the instruction xxxxx to xxxxx at address xxxxxx".

[Mr_PoP]

Originally Posted by bone-you

Actually, that's where you're wrong. I can't find it myself because it's all locked up being held hostage by the people who figured it out. Sure, I could go learn assembly and spend a load of time to figure it out myself, but that is hardly comparable to your case. To compare it to you, I'd have to be asking someone how to learn assembly for a few months straight getting in deep way over my head on projects I obviously can't handle since I don't know the language.

Reinventing the wheel sucks. I've done it so much already. I'm not here asking anyone to give me anything though. You sound like you're assuming I am.. Never once in this thread have I asked anyone for anything. I am only asking why everything is so closed since this thread was originally a subconvo inside the thread of the guy asking to buy the encryption info.

you have just answered the question yourself!!

I could go learn assembly and spend a load of time to figure it out myself

now give the ppl who spent a load of time to figure it out themselves to share it!!!

[InfamousNoone]

Originally Posted by Mr_PoP

you have just answered the question yourself!!

now give the ppl who spent a load of time to figure it out themselves to share it!!!

To be fair, his comparison* here is correct. What you were asking, and what he's asking is completely different. All the information you needed to do what you were doing was public and available.

Originally Posted by bone-you

To compare it to you, I'd have to be asking someone how to learn assembly for a few months straight getting in deep way over my head on projects I obviously can't handle since I don't know the language.

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Lateralus

If you're serious, reading and translating assembly instructions to higher-level languages is easy, especially coming from a C++ background. The hardest part is finding the crypt routines; after that, set a breakpoint at the beginning, trace through the routine, and translate it. Saying that, I haven't tried getting it because it has absolutely no relevance to my projects, so it's probably harder than that.

I don't claim to be GREAT at reversing, but I'm open to whatever questions you have about it (see what I did there?).

No, you're right. Reading and translating them is quite simple if you understand the basics. But finding the crypt routines is a pain for me. Just not good with it. If I spent the time, I could find it. I did locate the SSL stuff far before anyone had released it when TQ first implemented it, but **** if I knew what to do with it. Only after someone released info on it did I know exactly what I was looking at at the time. I can totally understand someone's thoughts of "why don't you go learn asm and get it yourself", but that's not really very communitylike. The subject of sharing had come up a lot here way back and I'm sure it's been brought up a lot since I've been gone.


Anyway, if I WERE asking for the encryption info, all I'd be asking for is a shortcut. A favor from one dev to another. But since I'm not asking for anything, it's a moot point.

[I don't have a username]

Shutup everyone, I can't follow the discussion.

/thread

[Mr_PoP]

Originally Posted by InfamousNoone

To be fair, his analogy here is correct. What you were asking, and what he's asking is completely different. All the information you needed to do what you were doing was public and available.

my point is , he one of the ppl who always stress you need to find everything yourself , maybe the crypto is not public like what I have asked him before, but as he mentioned his C++ coder for like 10 years or so , means easily to learn asm which is public to everyone + his knowledge = figuring it out himself!!!

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Mr_PoP

my point is , he one of the ppl who always stress you need to find everything yourself , maybe the crypto is not public like what I have asked him before, but as he mentioned his C++ coder for like 10 years or so , means easily to learn asm which is public to everyone + his knowledge = figuring it out himself!!!

C++ isn't assembly. It's quite different. Yes, I could go and learn it relatively easier than someone who doesn't know a programming language, but I have no practical use for it in what I do. The only time so far that I've actually needed to know more than the basics is in CO.

[Mr_PoP]

Originally Posted by bone-you

C++ isn't assembly. It's quite different. Yes, I could go and learn it relatively easier than someone who doesn't know a programming language, but I have no practical use for it in what I do. The only time so far that I've actually needed to know more than the basics is in CO.

C++ isn't assembly.

YOU DON'T SAY!

I know it's different what I meant is you are capable of understanding asm easily and learn it , me myself know asm and I can do some revers ***** lol

[IAmHawtness]

Why not overwrite TQ's encryption with your own custom one? Then we wouldn't need to rely on others to release the encryption routines for us

[bone-you]

Originally Posted by Mr_PoP

YOU DON'T SAY!

I know it's different what I meant is you are capable of understanding asm easily and learn it , me myself know asm and I can do some revers ***** lol

Ok? I still don't get your point since this thread is not me asking for anything. Yes, if I wanted to spend a lot of time, I could eventually figure it out. We're past that. This thread isn't even about the encryption itself but the state of the community.

[Mr_PoP]

Originally Posted by IAmHawtness

Why not overwrite TQ's encryption with your own custom one? Then we wouldn't need to rely on others to release the encryption routines for us

Agree!

Originally Posted by bone-you

Ok? I still don't get your point since this thread is not me asking for anything. Yes, if I wanted to spend a lot of time, I could eventually figure it out. We're past that. This thread isn't even about the encryption itself but the state of the community.

I have made my point clear before so about the state of the community if you answered this question you would know why they are not sharing it!

"give the ppl who spent a load of time to figure it out themselves to share it!!!"

[_DreadNought_]

Originally Posted by IAmHawtness

Why not overwrite TQ's encryption with your own custom one? Then we wouldn't need to rely on others to release the encryption routines for us

Easier said then done.

[Mr_PoP]

Originally Posted by _DreadNought_

Easier said then done.

you can do that using The code cave method!

[bone-you]

Ahh, the issues with this convo being turned into a thread. This discussion originated from a guy asking to buy the encryption. This was never me asking for anything so stop talking about it.

Mr Pop, your quote doesn't make sense. Please elaborate it instead of repeating it over and over.