[Discussion]Emulation

[ermvrs]

Originally Posted by paxemuman

grindroad it's down, ufo gave up.

i want talk to ufonese do you know his msn or skype adress?

[Kape7]

Originally Posted by paxemuman

No offence but Zelos wasn't stable, you have stuck on login because no beta tests during development, i doubt about continue on Zelos source and your'e right about peoples wont spend thier time on coding C# emulator because it will take years. Beside of that probably best idea would be Ufonose emu which was best , or rewrite my emulator to C language for large scale emulation.

Anyway whole idea of making emulator which can handle thousands of players are senseless. You cant beat Offical sro files, Joymax programmers worked years on it , and even with vsro files you have to still base on reverse engenering.

At current stage emulator dont have to handle thousands of players, it is good for open home servers and play for fun+ let peoples to be creative in a little scale.

Zelos was amazingly stable considering it was a rushed release. I played during the closed beta with the developers and it worked amazingly well, no lag, battle system as real as the official one, only few problems with collision because (YES), zelos had collision, not like your emulator. Collision system is something impossible to make for someone who only knows how to edit and manage packets.

Quibax rushed the whole project to the public and what everyone tested was an unstable release, through still I remember 250 players logged in without major problems. It was the first stress-test and it went pretty well IMO.

It's sad that the Zelos project didn't continued, because it was a really stable base to work on.

And don't act like you are going to be awesome because you are going to release a plugin system so everyone will be able to code on your emulator (a crappy base to code on tbh), because in the end only people who paid for it have access to that emulator. Remember that if it wasn't thanks to the open source, you wouldn't know a shit of what you know right now.

[Neko*]

Originally Posted by ღ ∂ropp

lol
Please don't act like you know everything '_'.

actually my knowledge in emu world = ZERO ..
i am not acting , but what i understand that emu is a re-building for the game it-self , so you can make some hybrid things , like i saw in some emulators

[paxemuman]

Originally Posted by Synx7

Zelos was amazingly stable considering it was a rushed release. I played during the closed beta with the developers and it worked amazingly well, no lag, battle system as real as the official one, only few problems with collision because (YES), zelos had collision, not like your emulator. Collision system is something impossible to make for someone who only knows how to edit and manage packets.

I have different opinion about zelos, i saw something else than you trying to show. It was 3 days failing on tests (login stage) and later Zelos project fail because it needs to be recoded from 0 because of detected problems so all functions doesn't matter when stability sux so badly.

But i am not going to argue with you because you have your own reality of bulshits.

Originally Posted by Synx7

And don't act like you are going to be awesome

It's in your head that i am acting like "awesome man" it's coming from your complexes.

Originally Posted by Synx7

in the end only people who paid for it have access to that emulator. Remember that if it wasn't thanks to the open source, you wouldn't know a shit of what you know right now.

ok first:

I have relased my emu as open source one year ago, its much more than i have learned from open source project on the begin. When i was learning from open source monsters don't even walk on emulators.

second thing is:

You want peoples to pay you because you host vsro server(Myth) and you made some shitty edits in pk2 and you are telling me about open source ?you even encrypted your media.pk2! and i don't have right to take money for 4 years of coding ? please shut up and back to your "Myth online".

Originally Posted by ermvrs

i want talk to ufonese do you know his msn or skype adress?

No , i just saw that he off servers, you have to ask some turkish peoples on epvp who were active in grindroad threads, i bet some of them know Ufos msn.

[Nezekan]

Originally Posted by paxemuman

I have different opinion about zelos, i saw something else than you trying to show. It was 3 days failing on tests (login stage) and later Zelos project fail because it needs to be recoded from 0 because of detected problems so all functions doesn't matter when stability sux so badly.

But i am not going to argue with you because you have your own reality of bulshits.



It's in your head that i am acting like "awesome man" it's coming from your complexes.


ok first:

I have relased my emu as open source one year ago, its much more than i have learned from open source project on the begin. When i was learning from open source monsters don't even walk on emulators.

second thing is:

You want peoples to pay you because you host vsro server(Myth) and you made some shitty edits in pk2 and you are telling me about open source ?you even encrypted your media.pk2! and i don't have right to take money for 4 years of coding ? please shut up and back to your "Myth online".

It's funny that you of all people bash on zelos, you say you have worked on your emulator for 4 years fulltime, let's use some numbers. Npcdoom coded the emu on his own, in 1 year time, while going to college and having a job. Now let's see what we can do with zelos: It had around 250 people online at peak (we didn't really test more) stable with collision(!), working european race (except some skillbugs), all zones working, all mobs working and it was using around 30MB ram at that time, we were running it on a 1400mhz vps (we didn't have a budget around that time) now tell me what you can do with your emulator? 10 people max? using 500mb ram? not even having a database to store stuff? Personally, I never really hated you, but I can understand why people may start to dislike you if you post stuff like that, you're not the only one who has worked hard on projects like this...

Either way, I've tried to restart the zelos project, but npcdoom has no time anymore and it would be too hard for a new coder to pick it up, a real shame.

but you never know what might happen in the future (Soon(tm))

[paxemuman]

Originally Posted by Nezekan

It's funny that you of all people bash on zelos, you say you have worked on your emulator for 4 years fulltime, let's use some numbers. Npcdoom coded the emu on his own, in 1 year time, while going to college and having a job. Now let's see what we can do with zelos: It had around 250 people online at peak (we didn't really test more) stable with collision(!), working european race (except some skillbugs), all zones working, all mobs working and it was using around 30MB ram at that time, we were running it on a 1400mhz vps (we didn't have a budget around that time) now tell me what you can do with your emulator? 10 people max? using 500mb ram? not even having a database to store stuff? Personally, I never really hated you, but I can understand why people may start to dislike you if you post stuff like that, you're not the only one who has worked hard on projects like this...

Either way, I've tried to restart the zelos project, but npcdoom has no time anymore and it would be too hard for a new coder to pick it up, a real shame.

but you never know what might happen in the future (Soon(tm))

-Zelos fail and you cant change reality, also zelos wasn't cool, otherwise you could sell compiled version of zelos and takes all my sponsors away from me.
-If zelos would be so nice like you trying to show here you could make a lot of money on opening a server and all peoples who had a brain understand that your'e bulshitting as hell at the moment.
It's not thread about PVP between members, its thread about emulation, so please stop defend your Failator(zelos) and focus yourself on emulation M'kay ?

[Veteran1337]

Let him talk...it's not worth
-Back2Topic
If you want to start a open source emulator search people with skills&time.

[^AquaFresh^]

Pax - Have you ever thought about other things not money?

[Janick_]

Originally Posted by paxemuman

-Zelos fail and you cant change reality, also zelos wasn't cool, otherwise you could sell compiled version of zelos and takes all my sponsors away from me.
-If zelos would be so nice like you trying to show here you could make a lot of money on opening a server and all peoples who had a brain understand that your'e bulshitting as hell at the moment.
It's not thread about PVP between members, its thread about emulation, so please stop defend your Failator(zelos) and focus yourself on emulation M'kay ?

Who talked about zelos being cool? it was about stability with most basic things working..

[Nezekan]

Originally Posted by paxemuman

-Zelos fail and you cant change reality, also zelos wasn't cool, otherwise you could sell compiled version of zelos and takes all my sponsors away from me.
-If zelos would be so nice like you trying to show here you could make a lot of money on opening a server and all peoples who had a brain understand that your'e bulshitting as hell at the moment.
It's not thread about PVP between members, its thread about emulation, so please stop defend your Failator(zelos) and focus yourself on emulation M'kay ?

The reason we're not selling a version is that:

1.) We don't focus on earning money, unlike you, we have never asked for money on the project, and the ones who 'donated' got their money back after we decided to pause development.

2.) We would never release something that is not fully finished, or atleast in an acceptable stage, it does not fit into our goals.

Now tell me what can your emu do what zelos couldn't, a year ago? Now tell me, what could zelos do what yours can't, a year ago? exactly, now stop posting your bullshit, everybody here knows your emu is shit, everybody knows your emu will never be as good as grindroad or zelos, why do you even try?

It's funny that you always start about money, that's against the whole point of zelos, we never wanted to make money, We have paid all the vps, and the server (for the secret tests after we publicly 'quit') with out own money, we have never asked any money for it, people did give us money but we kindly returned it (except for a couple of euros (~12) quibax 'stole', but I don't think you can call 12 euro stealing, he probably forgot about it). Now you see how bad you really are, we never focused on money, we never got money, and our emulator was and is still lightyears away from yours, you ask, what? 1000$ for it? Look were it brought you, yeah it's still pure shit.


This thread is about emulation, I'm talking about emulation, you're the one who keeps bashing on other emulators, why shouldn't I have the right to defend the project?

tl;dr version: pax is money hungry, fails with his emu, bashes people who work for free and have better results. (Yeah, it hurts, when you see it all written down)

[Getzabelz]

Originally Posted by paxemuman

-Zelos fail and you cant change reality, also zelos wasn't cool, otherwise you could sell compiled version of zelos and takes all my sponsors away from me.
-If zelos would be so nice like you trying to show here you could make a lot of money on opening a server and all peoples who had a brain understand that your'e bulshitting as hell at the moment.
It's not thread about PVP between members, its thread about emulation, so please stop defend your Failator(zelos) and focus yourself on emulation M'kay ?

Dude I do never participate in any kind of flame war or pretend to offense in anyway anyone. But Zelos was better than your emulator. And starting an emulator in VB is a fail from the beginning and if you are a coder you will know why, and if you don't know why I will explain you without any problem, just ask me.

Those are the facts you can take them or not but saying that your emulator is better than other one, yours being based on VB... Don't make you look like better for sure.

[paxemuman]

Originally Posted by Nezekan

The reason we're not selling a version is that:

1.) We don't focus on earning money, unlike you, we have never asked for money on the project, and the ones who 'donated' got their money back after we decided to pause development.

2.) We would never release something that is not fully finished, or atleast in an acceptable stage, it does not fit into our goals.

Now tell me what can your emu do what zelos couldn't, a year ago?

1) bulshit, you never planed to relase your files + you started item mall with beta tests, you had no choice you were forced to give back money.
2)yes you have relased with huge PUMP and with promotion.

My emulator can work days and can handle easily 350 peoples which is proven and tested on real peoples.

Originally Posted by Getzabelz

Dude I do never participate in any kind of flame war or pretend to offense in anyway anyone. But Zelos was better than your emulator. And starting an emulator in VB is a fail from the beginning and if you are a code you will know why.

Those are the facts you can take them or not but saying that your emulator is better than other one, yours being based on VB... Don't make you look like better for sure.

No offence but i've never expected you to judge software by Language which has been written. You disapointed me more than those brainless tards up. You should seen zelos r'ly.

Originally Posted by Veteran1337

Let him talk...it's not worth
-Back2Topic
If you want to start a open source emulator search people with skills&time.

There are many sources to base project , its enought to look around interenet or around this forum. Peoples wont start thier own emulators because there are no real help with understanding stuff, thats why my upcoming plugin system and help, one donation for get access to it and get updates it's reasonable price i think, and its better alternative for puting money to money hungry bastartds who doing nothing of curse i am talking about vsro owners(most of them).

[Getzabelz]

Originally Posted by paxemuman

1) bulshit, you never planed to relase your files + you started item mall with beta tests, you had no choice you were forced to give back money.
2)yes you have relased with huge PUMP and with promotion.

My emulator can work days and can handle easily 350 peoples which is proven and tested on real peoples.



No offence but i've never expected you to judge software by Language which has been written. You disapointed me more than those brainless tards up. You should seen zelos r'ly.



There are many sources to base project , its enought to look around interenet or around this forum. Peoples wont start thier own emulators because there are no real help with understanding stuff, thats why my upcoming plugin system and help, one donation for get access to it and get updates it's reasonable price i think, and its better alternative for puting money to money hungry bastartds who doing nothing of curse i am talking about vsro owners(most of them).

Well I don't know about Zelos but I guess it was made in any C variety kind, which agaisnt VB... You know. I don't judge any language, all languages are cool if it's easy for you to use it but what you must think before starting any kind of coding project* is to choose the language that will most fit your needs and requirements. And making something related to a MMO game in VB is just a fail from beginning... And if you code you know it perfectly.

Just that, hadn't saw Zelos, but if It was made in VB is as bad as yours (not talking about features).

Once both were made in C++ then we could discuss about features and ways to do stuff, exceptions handlings, stability and so on...

And about money I just think like you. If you do something that took your time and effort you must give it a value and you have the right to ask for money if anybody can be able to pay. World is bussiness, I call that being smart, not greedy.

[zeteris]

Imagine how much would you have done instead of flaming.

[Stratti]

Originally Posted by zeteris

Imagine how much would you have done instead of flaming.

That's what I told earlier... instead of flaming we could already work together.