IMPORTANT--Together against Scamming! Read it!

[Heikofant]

yes, paypal chargeback is an issue, too.
That's why I only trade with trusted non-german buyers or german buyers.
Because I can easily report them to the police in germany.

I guess there is currently no really safe method except trading with trusted persons you definately know they are trusted ...

every payment-method has its leaks

[UnderworldStore]

Originally Posted by shivimeister

well you should be careful cause chargebacks are easy with ur method your only proof is ingame trade shots which is not acceptable this is imho. i have my sellers list i only goto them if i am in a hurry i mite test out another but best to use MM and also that with maybe with certain reputable ppls suggestions and not any MM so many scammers its just unreal

Well yes true, but i usually take screen shots of everything AND i send payment link with the full text of item trades + name of the game, for example:
Guild Wars: 250 Globs of Ectoplasm.
Il take the screen shot of pm where i get the in game name + screen shot in game when i drop the items and buyer take them..In this way i have more protection than usual.
Well, thats not mean that im safe but at least i can send proofs.

[shivimeister]

yeh let me know how it goes when u show ingame screenshots or skype convo shots to paypal complaint lodge so far for me it hasnt worked

[UnderworldStore]

Originally Posted by shivimeister

yeh let me know how it goes when u show ingame screenshots or skype convo shots to paypal complaint lodge so far for me it hasnt worked

Well, i never said "Im sure it work!!!", i just said that screenshot that prove something is better than have nothing.
Paypal is 99% of times in favor of buyer, so you usually cant do nothing even if you have all prooffs you want, but if you have a lot of prooffs and screenshots is better to have nothing,thats all =P =P

[Heikofant]

Originally Posted by shivimeister

yeh let me know how it goes when u show ingame screenshots or skype convo shots to paypal complaint lodge so far for me it hasnt worked

then you did it wrong.

paypal chargeback is not allowed for virtual goods

[juli_1404]

yes, paypal chargeback is an issue, too.
That's why I only trade with trusted non-german buyers or german buyers.
Because I can easily report them to the police in germany.

I am not sure, but in many countrys the police do nothing, if it is under 1000$. Next Problem the Buyer has stolen Pixels, not any real thing. For example in USA, if you rob out a supermarket and the video cam saw you. All what you get is a house ban and something like 75$.
What happened in this case in Germany/Britain/USA?
Have we some lawyers here?

[Heikofant]

Originally Posted by juli_1404

I am not sure, but in many countrys the police do nothing, if it is under 1000$. Next Problem the Buyer has stolen Pixels, not any real thing. For example in USA, if you rob out a supermarket and the video cam saw you. All what you get is a house ban and something like 75$.
What happened in this case in Germany/Britain/USA?
Have we some lawyers here?

well ok, I do not really know about just a regular chargeback (without ebay, buyer-contract etc), but when using it on ebay, it is illegal.
and therefore, if you have time and nervs, you can go to the police or a lawyer and I guess you will win in ~99%.
But I think nobody tried it, because mostly it's peanuts and the scammed persons are ashamed of beeing scammed

[juli_1404]

If anyone knows more details, please post it here

[KosinusBeta]

in 99% of those parts you lose, when you got scammed...
The police don't really care for such low money scamms, especially ingame stuff.
Other thing is that the scammer can go to the police, too and tell that you sell ingame stuff for real money, whats forbidden in the policy of Guild Wars.

[Heikofant]

Originally Posted by KosinusBeta

in 99% of those parts you lose, when you got scammed...
The police don't really care for such low money scamms, especially ingame stuff.
Other thing is that the scammer can go to the police, too and tell that you sell ingame stuff for real money, whats forbidden in the policy of Guild Wars.

pls stop posting bullshit.

all you stated above is just wrong

[juli_1404]

Originally Posted by KosinusBeta

in 99% of those parts you lose, when you got scammed...
The police don't really care for such low money scamms, especially ingame stuff.
Other thing is that the scammer can go to the police, too and tell that you sell ingame stuff for real money, whats forbidden in the policy of Guild Wars.

The policy of guild wars is no law

[KosinusBeta]

Originally Posted by Heikofant

pls stop posting bullshit.

all you stated above is just wrong

All you talking is bullshit.
Just try to read a ''online rights'' book.
google it badass.

[UnderworldStore]

Originally Posted by KosinusBeta

All you talking is bullshit.
Just try to read a ''online rights'' book.
google it badass.

As far i know Guild Wars policies CANT be applid in real life.
I mean, if they catch you selling ectos for real money the top they can do is bann your account, STOP.

[Heikofant]

Originally Posted by UnderworldStore

As far i know Guild Wars policies CANT be applid in real life.
I mean, if they catch you selling ectos for real money the top they can do is bann your account, STOP.

correct.
kosinusbeta has no clue at all and wants to be cool with some wrong google stuff.

if you are sick enough, you even can get your accs back going to a lawyer

[KosinusBeta]

Originally Posted by Heikofant

correct.
kosinusbeta has no clue at all and wants to be cool with some wrong google stuff.

if you are sick enough, you even can get your accs back going to a lawyer

ye but the lawer would laugh when he see a reallife pic of you ''hässlon''