Background Behind Qonquer

XtremeX-CO · 09/13/2006, 21:01

but really.. i helped qononquer too.. not big part... but bigger then basa.... for sure... at the db workd mostly (spawns, mobs, portals, etc...)

Dania · 09/13/2006, 22:32

Haha you were the fun GM who spawned tons of mobs or scattered every player in twin city or guild war xD

gebarin1000 · 09/13/2006, 23:18

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Originally posted by Tombstone@Sep 13 2006, 12:25
As far as the whole "It's just a game" line that we've all heard repeated over and over by various people including myself at sometime or another, here's my technical take on it... This is just my two cents worth, you can agree or disagree, your choice. But the statement, "It's just a game" does not, never has and never will apply to any mmporg, especially not an mmporg as chaotic as Conquer.

<span style='color:red'>Something that is just a game, can't hurt you. Conquer can not only hurt you, it can devastate you.

Here's an example of something that I think you CAN say is "just a game"...
If I'm involved in a single player rpg on my ps2, yes it's just a game. No matter how many times I may or may not get frustrated, I'm permanently in my safe zone therefore I'm ok. Why? Because every single detail of the game is entirely 100% computer generated, therefore I will NEVER feel intimidated or uncomfortable in any way.

Ok so that's an example of what technically can safely be said is "just a game". And here's why I think Conquer is most definitely not "just a game"...

The only thing computer generated in Conquer is the graphics. The atmosphere and enviornment in which you play in and are affected by day to day, are entirely created and determined in whole by the consequences (good or bad) resulting from your interactions (positive or negative) with the community of players on your individual server.

All human beings have complex feelings and emotions which are influenced and affected via our interaction with, and observation of, other human beings.

Now, considering that every pixelated character you see or interact with in Conquer is in turn represented by a real flesh & blood person, then it can be ascertained that Conquer possesses an established degree of realism in which your feelings and emotions can be and ARE influenced by real people.

Conquer is not just a game, because for it to be just a game... then everything in it would have to be computer generated, therefore not real. But the only things computer generated in Conquer are the graphics.

So if Conquer isn't "just a game", then what is it? How should it be classified? Personally I think the answer is quite obvious: Conquer is an MMPORG, and that is something completely and unquestionably outside the realm of a mere "game".</span>

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noob

KatsuAkimoto · 09/13/2006, 23:58

I am on my PSP, so I wont say much:
Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. Yes, we would all like to believe that the ppl that play this are alive, the game is no more than IRC with graphics.

skinnykhalida · 09/14/2006, 00:35

woah, nvr knew is was like that...

Lateralus · 09/14/2006, 02:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Tombstone@Sep 13 2006, 12:25
As far as the whole "It's just a game" line that we've all heard repeated over and over by various people including myself at sometime or another, here's my technical take on it... This is just my two cents worth, you can agree or disagree, your choice. But the statement, "It's just a game" does not, never has and never will apply to any mmporg, especially not an mmporg as chaotic as Conquer.

<span style='color:red'>Something that is just a game, can't hurt you. Conquer can not only hurt you, it can devastate you.

Here's an example of something that I think you CAN say is "just a game"...
If I'm involved in a single player rpg on my ps2, yes it's just a game. No matter how many times I may or may not get frustrated, I'm permanently in my safe zone therefore I'm ok. Why? Because every single detail of the game is entirely 100% computer generated, therefore I will NEVER feel intimidated or uncomfortable in any way.

Ok so that's an example of what technically can safely be said is "just a game". And here's why I think Conquer is most definitely not "just a game"...

The only thing computer generated in Conquer is the graphics. The atmosphere and enviornment in which you play in and are affected by day to day, are entirely created and determined in whole by the consequences (good or bad) resulting from your interactions (positive or negative) with the community of players on your individual server.

All human beings have complex feelings and emotions which are influenced and affected via our interaction with, and observation of, other human beings.

Now, considering that every pixelated character you see or interact with in Conquer is in turn represented by a real flesh & blood person, then it can be ascertained that Conquer possesses an established degree of realism in which your feelings and emotions can be and ARE influenced by real people.

Conquer is not just a game, because for it to be just a game... then everything in it would have to be computer generated, therefore not real. But the only things computer generated in Conquer are the graphics.

So if Conquer isn't "just a game", then what is it? How should it be classified? Personally I think the answer is quite obvious: Conquer is an MMPORG, and that is something completely and unquestionably outside the realm of a mere "game".</span>

[img]text2schild.php?smilienummer=1&text= Enjoy your game ' border='0' alt=' Enjoy your game ' />

My god.. Someone shoot me. I actually agree.

~Myke · 09/14/2006, 03:51

That really does suck, Dan.
You were a great GM.

Tombstone · 09/14/2006, 04:45

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Originally posted by Lateralus@Sep 13 2006, 20:15
My ***.. Someone shoot me. I actually agree.

It'll probably never happen again, keep your head up champ.

!AlexLane! · 09/14/2006, 13:03

Funny, basa is watching this thread =p

Basa · 09/14/2006, 13:05

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Originally posted by XtremeX-CO@Sep 13 2006, 21:01
but really.. i helped qononquer too.. not big part... but bigger then basa.... for sure... at the db workd mostly (spawns, mobs, portals, etc...)

Yes Dan. You done the spawns. You done them so well that I now have to redo them. :P

You worked on portals as did all of us.

Monsters were added by Q weren't they? They were just copied from the CO site, I don't think any were made form scratch. Most if not all have the same stats as the CO mob stats on the site.
If your talking about editing their meshes with the 'new' ones that were in the client they were all removed as their going to be used for higher level monsters.

From what I recall, when we made the 2 or 3 'To-do List' threads in the Staff Room I was the one mainly fixing them all. I redone a lot of spawns too. Now I'm redoing them all making them smaller so you don't have to kill 100 for it to respawn you just have to kill 5 or 6. (Took a leaf out of TQs book, they tend to use smaller spawns in numbers of 5-10) Also makes it look a lot neater in the ACP, makes spawns/monsters/maps etc easier to find.

Your right, you did do a lot of work. Wouldn't fault you on that, but we all done work. Caff done work too, mainly through Cing, you and myself. But he abused trust twice so was turned down for the promotion. Could be argued that he shouldn't have been given the access in the first place but he was given it with trust which is the bottome line.
Isaac deserved it and so did Josh. FYI, Josh has never broken a rule. Not breaking rules or breaking very few over a long period of time shows maturity and understanding of the rules and regulations. Also shows trust.

You also done a lot of pking aswell as work. Majority of which was before the rules were enforced but it still continued on a smaller scale when everyone else cept you and Alex seemed to calm down.
I actually watched you whilst on the account you spoke of that Abs and I share. Cing also knows the information for it. You killed someone in the map before Skypass (can never remember the name of it). I never done anything about it cept take a screenshot as it seemed like it was a friend and probably wouldn't stand up against you and just cause an argument. (This is the same killing that you video'd and sent me on MSN telling me you just killed someone, as it was a friend I didnt bother with it, as I just said)
Also watched and screened you killing someone in TC. Snowdrop was on holiday so never really had any backup to kick you out (Cing was away and Abs wasn't back yet) so I didn't bother. You spoke of quiting at the same time. I was talking to you over MSN at the time. Said something along the lines of 'tomorrow if I find those people I'm gonna kill them', talking about someone who swore at you.
People swearing at you is a given when your someone 'special'. The QHs have to put up with it all the time as do the rest of the staff. If anyone else who can ban players is online will normally warn and ban or warn then ban. Don't see why you have to go and pk them when your not ment to, you could have just banned them.

You are an unfortunate loss for the team, you did help out and forward the project.

I do not 'suck up' to Snowdrop. I am friends with her and have known her for about 2 years or so. Through MSN, CO and Qonquer. Cing and Abs are also friends with Snowdrop in the same way I am. At some point we have all probably shared accounts on CO which has also increased the trust 'bond' between us which is why I had no problem giving them the info the the 'undercover' account so we can keep and eye on the staff and do work without interruptions. If we're on our staff account - which is in all staff members friends lists - its a little hard to see if their doing anything wrong as they know someone who can be invisible might be watching them. If we're not on their friends list then they don't think anyones watching, which is when they are most likely to 'act out'.
The fact that we enforce the rules is a good thing, I've never seen or heard of a TQ GM being fired for abuse of rules. There was a 'corrupt GM' on Ruby or somewhere at some point, nothing was done about him/her even with evidence and many peoples stories.

Rules will be enforced up to Alpha and all the way through it. Pking is unfair and will not be tolerated by a staff or 'uber' account in which other normal players don't stand a chance against. Hence why not pking is in the staff rules. Staff 'noob' accounts with higher than normal stats are locked when found to sotp this happening.

Anyway, I gtg. Starting work in 45minutes, needa get ready. I never meant any of this to put you down or make you look bad. Was typing it pretty fast too so there might be some typos or bits that don't make sense.

EDIT:

"Funny, basa is watching this thread =p"

Not watching, posting.

!AlexLane! · 09/14/2006, 13:11

Funny too, that you were supposed to unban me, yet you have been posting on qonquer, and i have not been unbanned =) If you want to talk about childish, talk about ipbanning+ingame banning for calling you a ****?

Basa · 09/14/2006, 13:31

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Originally posted by !AlexLane!@Sep 14 2006, 13:11
Funny too, that you were supposed to unban me, yet you have been posting on qonquer, and i have not been unbanned =) If you want to talk about childish, talk about ipbanning+ingame banning for calling you a ****?

How was I ment to do it? Nobody asked or told me to do it. I told Abs that you can be unbanned as I didn't care if you were or not also admitted it was a little harsh.

I wasn't ment to do anything.

As for your forum ban, you already have another email you can use and it really isn't hard to change your IP. I'll unban you just now if you want. Abs said he was gonna do it and give you a warning, just realised he doesn't even have admin powers on the current boards lol

The ingame ban I gave you wasn't an account ban unless someone else locked it again. I locked and unlocked it so it would ban your IP until the next restart.

[sidenote]
In alpha forum accounts and ingame accounts will be the same, you get banned on one you get banned on the other.
[/sidenote]

How do you know I've been posting on Qonquer if your accounts banned? lol Or can you read but not post? I'm meetin someone in 10 mins before work so I'll unban it and talk to ya later.

!AlexLane! · 09/14/2006, 13:42

I can read your posts because i have friends that tell me whats going on. Not really hard to understand is it?

Korvacs · 09/14/2006, 13:43

@basa,

alex has freinds you know? how else would he know you were posting =/

georgemareen · 09/14/2006, 13:53

All I have to say is, WOW. I always knew there was a lot of history behind Qonquer but I never knew the details. Also, I believe this is not just a game. Part of it is a game but the other parts are human socialism, rankings, etc that can and will go corrupt and and that is how it becomes way more than just a game.