CIDProxy and 5Bot Discussion

[_WTF_]

Originally Posted by IKillBabies

But then, hacking is the same as bulking.

I think so... it depends in how people look at it... why spend money on characters in pixels... its better to spend it in real life... peace

[Pwnt_Newb]

Originally Posted by Noob2008

I think your post is well thought out and stated in a mature way, and I can totally relate to what you are saying. Basically what I hear you saying is that Conquer is too expensive to play "legitimately", and that by using the benefits of CIDProxy you and many others were still able to compete with the bulkers. Now you feel like you can't compete and/or play because you cannot buy one of the paid proxies--which means you have no edge. I think everyone can remember when they first started, had no gears, and got owned by everyone--no one wants to go back there after doing so well for so long. I think these are the things that you are interested in, and base your opinion on.

Your thoughts represent the views of a certain percentage of bot users, though not the perspective from different angles. If you are open to thinking about it from the perspective of TQ and the creator of CIDProxy/5bot, maybe I can present what I *think/believe* (have to qualify that because I'm not a mind reader) their interests are.

TQ is a business plain and simple. Maybe the game started out being a game where you could succeed without having to actually pay for anything, but obviously those days are long gone. Without a way to generate revenue, Conquer would just cease to exist; no money for programmers, websites, employees, etc. etc. It just naturally follows the law of supply and demand--in the game this translates into one guy spends $100 on dbs and gets the best gear, another guy spends $120 on dbs and now has the best gear...and the sky is the limit. There are people who spend thousands and thousands of dollars on dbs. A level 4 VIP means you have $1,600.00 on dbs in ONE month--I can't even comprehend why anyone would spend that much money on this game. As for you personally playing the game, TQ is happy CIDProxy is gone and hopes you go away also--unless you decide to buy dbs.

As for the creator of CID/5bot, I don't know for sure but I think he has been coding for several years--I'll say 4 years though it's just for sake of argument. At one time, he knew nothing about coding and was say 14 years old if we assume he's 18 years old now. Learned more, spent his free time on it, got better at it, shared the fruits of his labour with the online community. All this time he earned no money, but became a very good coder. So good
that hundreds as you say, probably thousands, chose to use the exploits he created.

However, he's not 14 anymore. He's an adult who goes to College and has bills to pay. Assuming his parents aren't paying for 100% of their independent adult sons' bills--where does the money come from to eat, pay rent, buy textbooks, whatever? He could go and get a job somewhere for sure--but he might not be doing what he enjoys, and might not have time to learn more about/get better at what he enjoys. So he's become an entrepreneur who is making the most of his talent while generating some income to meet his needs.

Heres an analogy you can hopefully relate to. You mention that you are a musician. You go and sit down in the park with your guitar case open and play your best stuff. A huge crowd gathers and listens, and really enjoys your performance. However, only a few people throw money in your case. You're tired, your throat is getting sore, you're doing your best but the donations just aren't coming in. Next day, you go to a different park, play the exact same stuff you played the day before, and get five times as much money as you did the day before. You keep going back to the second park, keep getting the better donations. Honestly, are you really going back to the first park? CID tried the internet equivalent of an open guitar case with CIDProxy, and barely anyone out of the thousands gave anything. Say your music becomes popular enough, and enough people like it, that you think you can produce and sell a CD--are people going to respect you less because you are talented enough to produce and sell a CD? Is it fair for you to even sell the CD since you once played for free?

Times change. Right now theres some 14 year old kid just discovering coding. Right now there are many other talented coders on EPvPers with great programs. I've looked around, there are many different programs available; put a few of them together and you've basically got the features of CIDProxy. It's not all wrapped up in one convenient download, but if you put some of your own time and effort into it, you could get a lot of features back that you once enjoyed with CIDProxy. Or learn how to do some coding and start making your own programs to use and/or share.

If you're unwilling/unable to learn how to do it, spend your time figuring out how to make the existing programs work together, or pay a few dollars a month for the luxury of an all in one bot, why should someone else put that effort in on your behalf? The definition of a symbiotic relationship is that it benefits both parties: 5bot buyers get the benefit of "the edge" while the 5bot maker gets the benefit of money, knowledge, skill, practice. The definition of a "leech", in this sense, is that a leech (or free-loader) benefits from others while offering nothing in return. Probably 95% or more of CIDProxy users were leechers.

If I were the maker of CIDProxy/5bot, I would not be very sad to have TQ help me evolve. Have you read some of the posts in the CIDProxy thread, especially since the updates stopped? Practically DEMANDING an update, sometimes in the rudest ways. If I were him, I would be saying good riddance and thinking about my next exam, rent payment, light bill, vacation, family, friends, or whatever was important to me and the goals I set for my self.

He cannot control the fact that PayPal doesn't have any financial agreements in Egypt. He cannot control the fact that many people cannot afford $5 per month for a luxury item.

And personally, I don't believe that he has any moral obligation to implement the changes you talked about, for reasons I already stated. If you have lost respect for him because you can no longer benefit from CIDProxy, that
is up to you and what you define as respect. I don't share your definition.

No, I don't think he's a hypocrite.

I have to say, I agree 100%, and could not have hoped to say it better myself. I'm glad that the creator of CID has moved all of his attention onto 5Bot, and is using it as a way to make himself some extra cash. God knows he deserves it.

Me? I'm not into coding, I'm more of a hardware person. I don't bot on CO other then maybe an auto-clicker, or something like that. But out of respect for him, and for all that CID helped me in the past, I pay $5 a month for 5Bot, with great pride that I can help him in his endeavors.

[jamesieboy666]

okay if there is programmers who do everything 5bot does then plz somebody get me the proxy for the talismans and using free gear to up them

[reptileguy]

Originally Posted by Noob2008

I think your post is well thought out and stated in a mature way, and I can totally relate to what you are saying. Basically what I hear you saying is that Conquer is too expensive to play "legitimately", and that by using the benefits of CIDProxy you and many others were still able to compete with the bulkers. Now you feel like you can't compete and/or play because you cannot buy one of the paid proxies--which means you have no edge. I think everyone can remember when they first started, had no gears, and got owned by everyone--no one wants to go back there after doing so well for so long. I think these are the things that you are interested in, and base your opinion on.

Your thoughts represent the views of a certain percentage of bot users, though not the perspective from different angles. If you are open to thinking about it from the perspective of TQ and the creator of CIDProxy/5bot, maybe I can present what I *think/believe* (have to qualify that because I'm not a mind reader) their interests are.

TQ is a business plain and simple. Maybe the game started out being a game where you could succeed without having to actually pay for anything, but obviously those days are long gone. Without a way to generate revenue, Conquer would just cease to exist; no money for programmers, websites, employees, etc. etc. It just naturally follows the law of supply and demand--in the game this translates into one guy spends $100 on dbs and gets the best gear, another guy spends $120 on dbs and now has the best gear...and the sky is the limit. There are people who spend thousands and thousands of dollars on dbs. A level 4 VIP means you have $1,600.00 on dbs in ONE month--I can't even comprehend why anyone would spend that much money on this game. As for you personally playing the game, TQ is happy CIDProxy is gone and hopes you go away also--unless you decide to buy dbs.

As for the creator of CID/5bot, I don't know for sure but I think he has been coding for several years--I'll say 4 years though it's just for sake of argument. At one time, he knew nothing about coding and was say 14 years old if we assume he's 18 years old now. Learned more, spent his free time on it, got better at it, shared the fruits of his labour with the online community. All this time he earned no money, but became a very good coder. So good
that hundreds as you say, probably thousands, chose to use the exploits he created.

However, he's not 14 anymore. He's an adult who goes to College and has bills to pay. Assuming his parents aren't paying for 100% of their independent adult sons' bills--where does the money come from to eat, pay rent, buy textbooks, whatever? He could go and get a job somewhere for sure--but he might not be doing what he enjoys, and might not have time to learn more about/get better at what he enjoys. So he's become an entrepreneur who is making the most of his talent while generating some income to meet his needs.

Heres an analogy you can hopefully relate to. You mention that you are a musician. You go and sit down in the park with your guitar case open and play your best stuff. A huge crowd gathers and listens, and really enjoys your performance. However, only a few people throw money in your case. You're tired, your throat is getting sore, you're doing your best but the donations just aren't coming in. Next day, you go to a different park, play the exact same stuff you played the day before, and get five times as much money as you did the day before. You keep going back to the second park, keep getting the better donations. Honestly, are you really going back to the first park? CID tried the internet equivalent of an open guitar case with CIDProxy, and barely anyone out of the thousands gave anything. Say your music becomes popular enough, and enough people like it, that you think you can produce and sell a CD--are people going to respect you less because you are talented enough to produce and sell a CD? Is it fair for you to even sell the CD since you once played for free?

Times change. Right now theres some 14 year old kid just discovering coding. Right now there are many other talented coders on EPvPers with great programs. I've looked around, there are many different programs available; put a few of them together and you've basically got the features of CIDProxy. It's not all wrapped up in one convenient download, but if you put some of your own time and effort into it, you could get a lot of features back that you once enjoyed with CIDProxy. Or learn how to do some coding and start making your own programs to use and/or share.

If you're unwilling/unable to learn how to do it, spend your time figuring out how to make the existing programs work together, or pay a few dollars a month for the luxury of an all in one bot, why should someone else put that effort in on your behalf? The definition of a symbiotic relationship is that it benefits both parties: 5bot buyers get the benefit of "the edge" while the 5bot maker gets the benefit of money, knowledge, skill, practice. The definition of a "leech", in this sense, is that a leech (or free-loader) benefits from others while offering nothing in return. Probably 95% or more of CIDProxy users were leechers.

If I were the maker of CIDProxy/5bot, I would not be very sad to have TQ help me evolve. Have you read some of the posts in the CIDProxy thread, especially since the updates stopped? Practically DEMANDING an update, sometimes in the rudest ways. If I were him, I would be saying good riddance and thinking about my next exam, rent payment, light bill, vacation, family, friends, or whatever was important to me and the goals I set for my self.

He cannot control the fact that PayPal doesn't have any financial agreements in Egypt. He cannot control the fact that many people cannot afford $5 per month for a luxury item.

And personally, I don't believe that he has any moral obligation to implement the changes you talked about, for reasons I already stated. If you have lost respect for him because you can no longer benefit from CIDProxy, that
is up to you and what you define as respect. I don't share your definition.

No, I don't think he's a hypocrite.

For those that think this well written post was a wall of text, what would you call a book?

[Huseby]

Less 12 year old swearing aiming egys, i dont see a problem with that any ways TQ patched the only thing i used CID to, lvling in lab4 with a blade or a sword at my war

[Noob2008]

Originally Posted by jamesieboy666

okay if there is programmers who do everything 5bot does then plz somebody get me the proxy for the talismans and using free gear to up them

_fobos_ did have but last time I looked it wasn't updated.

[IKillBabies]

Originally Posted by Pwnt_Newb

I have to say, I agree 100%, and could not have hoped to say it better myself. I'm glad that the creator of CID has moved all of his attention onto 5Bot, and is using it as a way to make himself some extra cash. *** knows he deserves it.

Me? I'm not into coding, I'm more of a hardware person. I don't bot on CO other then maybe an auto-clicker, or something like that. But out of respect for him, and for all that CID helped me in the past, I pay $5 a month for 5Bot, with great pride that I can help him in his endeavors.

Good opinion.

[-Isaac-]

A simplistic explanation.

Original proxy code is harder to update then Mr. CID's 5bot.
Shutting down CIDProxy wouldn't have brought anymore income at all. People who could purchase 5bot already have. 5bot had unlimited aimbot before CID did. He unlocked aimbot just for people to have fun before the development would cease.

Too much time is placed into updating something that gives you nothing more then a "thanks" on a forum. Hence why no one else has stepped up. Have to stop relying on CID.

I told him to stop developing CID because eggs kept aimbotting me. You can all blame me now.

[_WTF_]

Originally Posted by Noob2008

_fobos_ did have but last time I looked it wasn't updated.

it still works... im using it now

[_WTF_]

Originally Posted by IsaacNR

A simplistic explanation.

Original proxy code is harder to update then Mr. CID's 5bot.
Shutting down CIDProxy wouldn't have brought anymore income at all. People who could purchase 5bot already have. 5bot had unlimited aimbot before CID did. He unlocked aimbot just for people to have fun before the development would cease.

Too much time is placed into updating something that gives you nothing more then a "thanks" on a forum. Hence why no one else has stepped up. Have to stop relying on CID.

I told him to stop developing CID because eggs kept aimbotting me. You can all blame me now.

You did the right thing... coz most of the arab players especially the eggys are abusing someone's hard work and also being very demanding with out knowing how hard to create the program... You can't deny it coz its the truth...

[bladesword01]

hope.. 5bot will make a new bot...

[IKillBabies]

Originally Posted by IsaacNR

A simplistic explanation.

Original proxy code is harder to update then Mr. CID's 5bot.
Shutting down CIDProxy wouldn't have brought anymore income at all. People who could purchase 5bot already have. 5bot had unlimited aimbot before CID did. He unlocked aimbot just for people to have fun before the development would cease.

Too much time is placed into updating something that gives you nothing more then a "thanks" on a forum. Hence why no one else has stepped up. Have to stop relying on CID.

I told him to stop developing CID because eggs kept aimbotting me. You can all blame me now.

Good to have your opinion. But what I was suggesting is making 5bot have a log in system.

[metalmexican]

both cid and 5bot sites r down.....so who knows

[loidirene]

maybe its all the work of co2...they make also bots and sell it too...hehehe
what you think guys?^_^

[**GaluDo0**]

5bot are working in conquer? i didn´t see any auto hunt at conquer
i think this not working