CIDProxy and 5Bot Discussion

[IKillBabies]

Originally Posted by Lunatic_Calm

I only read the first paragraph but i think your just being a cheap ***.
I DO not condone the use of proxy because it spoils the PVP aspect, Cheat the System, Not the Players. But I will give credit where credit is due, hes put some years into updating so a little benefit is well deserved. cudos to anyone smart enough to make money on it.

Either way, whether we pay or not, there is still going to be a proxy, so that statement is near pointless. And I want him to make profit, like that guy above said, he should just keep it autoloot and autohunt, I'd be perfectly happy. The rest, log in to use.

[dirtnapper]

Originally Posted by IKillBabies

I think you missed entirely what I was saying. I want him to make money off of his work. But I think there should be free and premium. There are many reasons why someone might not be able to pay.

i didn't miss the point. U think that stuff should be made available for free. It's not his obligation to make anything available for free whether it was free to start with or not. and u are not within ur right to complain about the product b/c u had nothing to do with contributing toward it's work and neither are u paying for it. If u don't like it, learn how to do it and do it urself.

[IKillBabies]

Originally Posted by dirtnapper

i didn't miss the point. U think that stuff should be made available for free. It's not his obligation to make anything available for free whether it was free to start with or not. and u are not within ur right to complain about the product b/c u had nothing to do with contributing toward it's work and neither are u paying for it. If u don't like it, learn how to do it and do it urself.

When did I say I wasn't paying for it? Don't assume anything. But either way, I have the right to complain. He said that his point in making it was to help give an edge to players that could not afford dragon *****. Therefor they won't afford 5bot. Have every right to complain. And I was not really complaining, rather making a statement.

[KrookedBlade]

Originally Posted by Traboski

I used to use CIDproxy before all this bot jailing started goin on. Now I refuse to use something. Now that you have to pay for it, well he better guarantee me I wont get botjailed or its a waste of money.

Think about it pay $$ to bot, then pay more $$ to get outta botjail. ITS A CO CONSPIRACY I TELL YA

***** if u ever got bot jailed your a dumb *** i boted and hacked and so on and so forth for 5 years or more and still to this day i have never been bot jailed i mean i have been baned millions of times but thats for hacking and scamming a dif section which i wont go onto.

[XtremeX-CO]

Originally Posted by Noob2008

I think your post is well thought out and stated in a mature way, and I can totally relate to what you are saying. Basically what I hear you saying is that Conquer is too expensive to play "legitimately", and that by using the benefits of CIDProxy you and many others were still able to compete with the bulkers. Now you feel like you can't compete and/or play because you cannot buy one of the paid proxies--which means you have no edge. I think everyone can remember when they first started, had no gears, and got owned by everyone--no one wants to go back there after doing so well for so long. I think these are the things that you are interested in, and base your opinion on.

Your thoughts represent the views of a certain percentage of bot users, though not the perspective from different angles. If you are open to thinking about it from the perspective of TQ and the creator of CIDProxy/5bot, maybe I can present what I *think/believe* (have to qualify that because I'm not a mind reader) their interests are.

TQ is a business plain and simple. Maybe the game started out being a game where you could succeed without having to actually pay for anything, but obviously those days are long gone. Without a way to generate revenue, Conquer would just cease to exist; no money for programmers, websites, employees, etc. etc. It just naturally follows the law of supply and demand--in the game this translates into one guy spends $100 on dbs and gets the best gear, another guy spends $120 on dbs and now has the best gear...and the sky is the limit. There are people who spend thousands and thousands of dollars on dbs. A level 4 VIP means you have $1,600.00 on dbs in ONE month--I can't even comprehend why anyone would spend that much money on this game. As for you personally playing the game, TQ is happy CIDProxy is gone and hopes you go away also--unless you decide to buy dbs.

As for the creator of CID/5bot, I don't know for sure but I think he has been coding for several years--I'll say 4 years though it's just for sake of argument. At one time, he knew nothing about coding and was say 14 years old if we assume he's 18 years old now. Learned more, spent his free time on it, got better at it, shared the fruits of his labour with the online community. All this time he earned no money, but became a very good coder. So good
that hundreds as you say, probably thousands, chose to use the exploits he created.

However, he's not 14 anymore. He's an adult who goes to College and has bills to pay. Assuming his parents aren't paying for 100% of their independent adult sons' bills--where does the money come from to eat, pay rent, buy textbooks, whatever? He could go and get a job somewhere for sure--but he might not be doing what he enjoys, and might not have time to learn more about/get better at what he enjoys. So he's become an entrepreneur who is making the most of his talent while generating some income to meet his needs.

Heres an analogy you can hopefully relate to. You mention that you are a musician. You go and sit down in the park with your guitar case open and play your best stuff. A huge crowd gathers and listens, and really enjoys your performance. However, only a few people throw money in your case. You're tired, your throat is getting sore, you're doing your best but the donations just aren't coming in. Next day, you go to a different park, play the exact same stuff you played the day before, and get five times as much money as you did the day before. You keep going back to the second park, keep getting the better donations. Honestly, are you really going back to the first park? CID tried the internet equivalent of an open guitar case with CIDProxy, and barely anyone out of the thousands gave anything. Say your music becomes popular enough, and enough people like it, that you think you can produce and sell a CD--are people going to respect you less because you are talented enough to produce and sell a CD? Is it fair for you to even sell the CD since you once played for free?

Times change. Right now theres some 14 year old kid just discovering coding. Right now there are many other talented coders on EPvPers with great programs. I've looked around, there are many different programs available; put a few of them together and you've basically got the features of CIDProxy. It's not all wrapped up in one convenient download, but if you put some of your own time and effort into it, you could get a lot of features back that you once enjoyed with CIDProxy. Or learn how to do some coding and start making your own programs to use and/or share.

If you're unwilling/unable to learn how to do it, spend your time figuring out how to make the existing programs work together, or pay a few dollars a month for the luxury of an all in one bot, why should someone else put that effort in on your behalf? The definition of a symbiotic relationship is that it benefits both parties: 5bot buyers get the benefit of "the edge" while the 5bot maker gets the benefit of money, knowledge, skill, practice. The definition of a "leech", in this sense, is that a leech (or free-loader) benefits from others while offering nothing in return. Probably 95% or more of CIDProxy users were leechers.

If I were the maker of CIDProxy/5bot, I would not be very sad to have TQ help me evolve. Have you read some of the posts in the CIDProxy thread, especially since the updates stopped? Practically DEMANDING an update, sometimes in the rudest ways. If I were him, I would be saying good riddance and thinking about my next exam, rent payment, light bill, vacation, family, friends, or whatever was important to me and the goals I set for my self.

He cannot control the fact that PayPal doesn't have any financial agreements in Egypt. He cannot control the fact that many people cannot afford $5 per month for a luxury item.

And personally, I don't believe that he has any moral obligation to implement the changes you talked about, for reasons I already stated. If you have lost respect for him because you can no longer benefit from CIDProxy, that
is up to you and what you define as respect. I don't share your definition.

No, I don't think he's a hypocrite.

Wow, that was impressive lol.

[nataro]

Wall of Text = GET A LIFE

[XtremeX-CO]

Originally Posted by nataro

Wall of Text = GET A LIFE

I disagree. Just because you can't read doesn't mean you have go insulting anyone who writes a paragraph or more.

[IKillBabies]

Originally Posted by XtremeX-CO

I disagree. Just because you can't read doesn't mean you have go insulting anyone who writes a paragraph or more.

Lol, nice one

So may I ask, what is your opinion? I am very interested in this xD

[Noob2008]

Originally Posted by nataro

Wall of Text = GET A LIFE

You must have REALLY low opinions of people who write books.

But w/e, in my opinion a well thought out response to a question that ended with "what do you think" and does not include unnecessary flaming, takes more than 6 words with an " = ".

Talk about arrogant

[Lysa]

Originally Posted by XtremeX-CO

I disagree. Just because you can't read doesn't mean you have go insulting anyone who writes a paragraph or more.

Dont insult a BSG fan! lol...

btw hey danny =D

[iamhurt1992]

We'll i may be new to this forum, but isn't there a policy about "no advertisements?" Releasing a program that enables you to hack on a game with excitement then taking it away and charging a person for an identical program but just with more features and less bugs. Posters like that is like the ones in other corrupted forums. I am just or possibly advising the administrators on this forum to relinquish the people like that on this forum before your forum becomes tired of advertisement, just like i was on ************.net and etc.... It ****** people off eventually.

[mImI83]

Originally Posted by IKillBabies

Hey,

I was thinking about this just a second ago, and I think what the creator of CIDProxy has done is completely hypocritical. He got hundreds of people to use his bot, people that really appreciated his work, and then decided to stop updating it and make people pay for a working version. Now, I understand that you should be paid for your hard work and time. But I don't think that it is right to stop updating the original CIDProxy just to add more buyers to 5Bot.

When you think about it, a great deal of CIDProxy users simply use CIDProxy because they are unable to buy dragon balls from TQ. Whether you think it cost too much, you have no means of paying online, or you just don't have the money - this is why you used CIDProxy. This gave you the edge that all of those bulking fancy-Dans had.

Don't you think that making us pay is hypocritical? Don't think that in a way, it's very much like TQ? Look at it like this. TQ provided a very fun and addictive game. At first, dragon balls were not really necessary to be great. But now, it seems to make it anywhere in the game, you have to have them; and a great deal of them at that. They made us have to pay to use their game properly. CIDProxy saved us from that. It gave us the edge we needed to almost be on par with the others.

Now it has been practically taken away. From what I have read there are no plans on bringing it back. If you want CIDProxy, you must buy 5bot. I think this is wrong. I DO think the creator's talent SHOULD be rewarded. But I think he should do it in a different fashion. I think there should just be one bot. Have free hacks, and then have a log-in section for better hacks. That way we that can't buy, can still have something that always works. In my opinion the creator would be much more respected. If he wants to make money off of it, that should be the method he should take. I personally loved CIDProxy for it's great features. The creator is a very talented programmer. But I think he has made a really unwise decision. Make it one bot, have a log-in section, make everyone happy. I know that would take quite a bit of modification to his code, but I think it's worth it. Help the people who can't buy, and want to still have fun on Conquer.

That's my two cents. What do you guys think?

just my 2 cents worth..

this is a fair world.. people can choose what they want. if you feel you will not pay to use a bot, then don't use. if you feel that TQ is making this game cannot make it without dragonballs and that you have to purchase a hell load of dragonballs to be great and you don't feel like paying, then don't play.

TQ by nature is a making money organization. Do you wanna open up a store and giving everything inside free? I guess your answer should be no, right?

The same goes to Xtreme-X, its a way of marketing done by both TQ and creator of CID Proxy... They give it to you free, make you addicted to it, and that's where they get their returns back...

Just pay for it if you wanna use it... if not, don't complain...

Think of it, when you are sleeping, maybe XtremeX is burning midnight oil to crack TQ's code... so cant he get some returns from it?

[JWN-]

YOU ARE DAMMN RIGHT!

[IKillBabies]

Originally Posted by mImI83

just my 2 cents worth..

this is a fair world.. people can choose what they want. if you feel you will not pay to use a bot, then don't use. if you feel that TQ is making this game cannot make it without dragonballs and that you have to purchase a hell load of dragonballs to be great and you don't feel like paying, then don't play.

TQ by nature is a making money organization. Do you wanna open up a store and giving everything inside free? I guess your answer should be no, right?

The same goes to Xtreme-X, its a way of marketing done by both TQ and creator of CID Proxy... They give it to you free, make you addicted to it, and that's where they get their returns back...

Just pay for it if you wanna use it... if not, don't complain...

Think of it, when you are sleeping, maybe XtremeX is burning midnight oil to crack TQ's code... so cant he get some returns from it?

I think I have had this response about three times now. I want him to be rewarded for his work, but he should not completely remove all the free hacks. TQ started out with the game being much easier, then they changed it. That is wrong. There is no justifying it. TQ is greed and nothing more. They barely put any effort into the game that they make so much money off of.

The creator should keep at least basic hacks working. I appreciate his work, he is a far more able programmer than myself. I understand people need money for their work, but I don't think it should be about greed. Which taking away all free hacks is very much about greed.

[beckham2020]

thanks man very goo