[RELEASE] 5293 Packet Structures

[_DreadNought_]

Missing more ^, Part of sub class for one. I know fang worked that out

[Basser]

Originally Posted by -Fáng-

Don't worry about it. It works right? =P
You did a good job starting people off. It's their job to figure out the rest =]
Good luck on your server!

What server?

[-Fáng-]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

Stead Point thingys, i cant remember their name, but thats missing i think.

Steed Linage is stored as talisman progress on the horse that you have equiped. I'm pretty sure there isn't another steed point system... I could be wrong though.

Originally Posted by Eliminationn

Missing more ^, Part of sub class for one. I know fang worked that out

Don't tell them about my server please. =\
What I've done with the packet is my own business...

Originally Posted by Basser

What server?

I thought you were doing this for a server you were making... oh well. In any way, I'm sure the community appreciates your contribution. As for me, I'm not releasing anything until I trust this community again. Nothing personal. =\ Good luck everyone!

[Korvacs]

Oh right, your not wanting to help people with publically available information, looks like ill have my proxy dump every packet in the game for half an hour and release them all then.

[Basser]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

Oh right, your not wanting to help people with publically available information, looks like ill have my proxy dump every packet in the game for half an hour and release them all then.

Korvacs, shh.
Don't tell them we can easily do this packet structure ****.

@Fang,
I know your just trying to be friendly and so on, but it's not like those values are hard to find...
The problem is, I wasn't riding a horse at that moment etc.

[Korvacs]

Originally Posted by Basser

Korvacs, shh.
Don't tell them we can easily do this packet structure ****.

@Fang,
I know your just trying to be friendly and so on, but it's not like those values are hard to find...
The problem is, I wasn't riding a horse at that moment etc.

Well i was going to release them at some point anyway, just means ill do it sooner rather than later.

[pro4never]

You rock korv Can't wait for the update xD

[-Fáng-]

Originally Posted by Basser

Korvacs, shh.
Don't tell them we can easily do this packet structure ****.

@Fang,
I know your just trying to be friendly and so on, but it's not like those values are hard to find...
The problem is, I wasn't riding a horse at that moment etc.

That's why I'm not helping. It's easy to figure out and I think only the people that can figure it out should be allowed to use it. Great servers are made from coders that know what they're doing, not from copiers. If Korvacs releases that information than he's just hurting the members. They should figure them out themselves.

[Kiyono]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

Well i was going to release them at some point anyway, just means ill do it sooner rather than later.

Isn't it easier for you to just release a proxy to log packets instead of doing it yourself?

[Basser]

Originally Posted by -Fáng-

That's why I'm not helping. It's easy to figure out and I think only the people that can figure it out should be allowed to use it. Great servers are made from coders that know what they're doing, not from copiers. If Korvacs releases that information than he's just hurting the members. They should figure them out themselves.

All of them are offline, and won't come back, even if they do, for how long?
Here's some free advise, if you want to use your skills to create something, forget conquer and move to something different.
Everything for Conquer is public, whatever feature you add Conquer has, can be done by anyone.

[Korvacs]

Originally Posted by -Fáng-

That's why I'm not helping. It's easy to figure out and I think only the people that can figure it out should be allowed to use it. Great servers are made from coders that know what they're doing, not from copiers. If Korvacs releases that information than he's just hurting the members. They should figure them out themselves.

Ill request this section be closed down then shall i? Where would you be if not for publically available information and tools, Im all for encouraging people to learn, but theres a line, and the packet structures are something that anyone can get, what they do with it on the other hand is a completely different ball game, atleast if they have the structures they dont have to think to themselves "it would be great if i had that packet because then i might be able to do this, but ultimately i would need to get a proxy that works, get the correct client, log the packets, find the one i want, then trial and error a load of values to figure out the structure, and screw that i cba, ill just go leach a binary server", they can just go "right ive got the packets ill give it a go".

All packet structures do is save people time and effort, something im more than happy to do, and something that i think other people should be happy to do.

Fang, honestly, the only reason your against it is because you want to be the only person with an upto date server, its funny that you disagree with the releasing of packet structures, but a fully fledge 529X base, not a whisper from you, despite the fact that ultimate the base is significantly more 'damaging' to the community than a packet layout, its pathetic.

[-Fáng-]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

Ill request this section be closed down then shall i? Where would you be if not for publically available information and tools, Im all for encouraging people to learn, but theres a line, and the packet structures are something that anyone can get, what they do with it on the other hand is a completely different ball game, atleast if they have the structures they dont have to think to themselves "it would be great if i had that packet because then i might be able to do this, but ultimately i would need to get a proxy that works, get the correct client, log the packets, find the one i want, then trial and error a load of values to figure out the structure, and screw that i cba, ill just go leach a binary server", they can just go "right ive got the packets ill give it a go".

All packet structures do is save people time and effort, something im more than happy to do, and something that i think other people should be happy to do.

Fang, honestly, the only reason your against it is because you want to be the only person with an upto date server, its funny that you disagree with the releasing of packet structures, but a fully fledge 529X base, not a whisper from you, despite the fact that ultimate the base is significantly more 'damaging' to the community than a packet layout, its pathetic.

Well I understand that... but I learned on a crap source like noobs should. The way I learned coding packets was from doing it myself like a good coder should (with help from Saints too =]). I'm not against this in any way. All of my coding friends are up to the same speed that I am with coding an up to date server.

I'm not saying that I don't appreciate what the community has done for me, it's just that I don't like it when people leach off of me. That's why I'm not releasing my packet. It's my personal preference and I'd like to be respected for that, not flamed at. =\

[Korvacs]

Originally Posted by -Fáng-

Well I understand that... but I learned on a **** source like noobs should. The way I learned coding packets was from doing it myself like a good coder should (with help from Saints too =]). I'm not against this in any way. All of my coding friends are up to the same speed that I am with coding an up to date server.

I'm not saying that I don't appreciate what the community has done for me, it's just that I don't like it when people leach off of me. That's why I'm not releasing my packet. It's my personal preference and I'd like to be respected for that, not flamed at. =\

Well in that case i would also like to be respected for my decision to help the community by releasing packet structures, not thought of as hurting the community.

[kinshi88]

Originally Posted by -Fáng-

Well I understand that... but I learned on a **** source like noobs should.

Noobs should definitely not learn on a **** source, then they learn bad coding habits.

@Korv, I agree.

[-Fáng-]

Originally Posted by Korvacs

Well in that case i would also like to be respected for my decision to help the community by releasing packet structures, not thought of as hurting the community.

I didn't mean it like that =s
I meant that they should try themselves. They'd learn a hell of a lot more if they did.