Conquer51 Extreme and Classic Server

[Slushpupies!]

Originally Posted by marcbacor6666

nobility stats addition is base on the coder on how they implemented it and what does the nobility gives.
Having nobility is 1 of my way to make the player hunt items or money or dbs in game so that they will be able to compete the ranking in game. Having this nobility will make the person thinks he needed to hunt more of what he have to be able to compete in the ranking, meaning more time in hunting.
As stated in my advertisement this is a classic with a twist, its like a more advance classic a costume classic, Having talismans does not change the way how the fighting style works , talisman only adds defense and attack since it is an items, having additional items means having u more time hunting monsters. Well its up to the person if he will play or not in my server, thanks for the comment.

" Having nobility and Talisman does not mean the server is already a pvp server. "

You are completely missing the point here. Battle power adds a shield to the person having more BP making the damage you deal to someone with higher BP ALOT lower. Meaning unfair. It´s the same as going up to someone with perfectly equal gear but has 12 BP higher due to nobility the damage done to eachtother is completely screwed up even though you have exactly the same gear. It won´t be equal. As a matter of fact, the person who is King will 1 hit the person who has no ranking in the nobility. I´m just saying it´s not classic because of that. Because the way damage is calculated is based on 2.0 and not based on classic the way it was before Potency.

[marcbacor6666]

Originally Posted by Slushpupies!

You are completely missing the point here. Battle power adds a shield to the person having more BP making the damage you deal to someone with higher BP ALOT lower. Meaning unfair. It´s the same as going up to someone with perfectly equal gear but has 12 BP higher due to nobility the damage done to eachtother is completely screwed up even though you have exactly the same gear. It won´t be equal. As a matter of fact, the person who is King will 1 hit the person who has no ranking in the nobility. I´m just saying it´s not classic because of that. Because the way damage is calculated is based on 2.0 and not based on classic the way it was before Potency.

I added the nobility system to make the game more challenging, having nobility system will give the player the thought of hunting more dbs or money in order for him to raise his rank. This is not a clone of the real classic, as iv stated in my advertisement this is a classic with a twist, meaning we have added things that the classic doesn't have. What destroys the old classic made by tq was the additional class like ninja, which is co51classic does not have.

[Aceking]

Originally Posted by marcbacor6666

I added the nobility system to make the game more challenging, having nobility system will give the player the thought of hunting more dbs or money in order for him to raise his rank. This is not a clone of the real classic, as iv stated in my advertisement this is a classic with a twist, meaning we have added things that the classic doesn't have. What destroys the old classic made by tq was the additional class like ninja, which is co51classic does not have.

Im sorry I disagree with you here.

I am a HUGE fan of classic conquer. Working hard to get your gear, being unable to buy sockets.
IMO, Ninjas would have been fine in classic conquer. Do I like them? No...but I do not think they destroyed the game.

What destroyed conquer, was lotto, talismans, and most of all....BP/Potency.
Damage should be exactly what it is, without some number determining what your actual damage will be

[Slushpupies!]

Originally Posted by Aceking

Im sorry I disagree with you here.

I am a HUGE fan of classic conquer. Working hard to get your gear, being unable to buy sockets.
IMO, Ninjas would have been fine in classic conquer. Do I like them? No...but I do not think they destroyed the game.

What destroyed conquer, was lotto, talismans, and most of all....BP/Potency.
Damage should be exactly what it is, without some number determining what your actual damage will be

Which is exactly my point.

What he is saying is basically this is conquer 2.0 without ninjas

Talismans didn't break the game either if it weren't for that stupid BP/potency system wrecking the whole PVP damage calculations. Talismans would just even eachother out resulting in a tiny bit of extra damage maybe making TAOIST op but that's besides the point.

What I'm trying to tell him aswell is the fact that 2 equal geared tro's fight eachother one being King and the other having no nobility would result in the King to one hit the trojan without nobility. But the trojan without nobility would hit the king for a much lower number. This is and will forever be a fact, even though they are equally geared them 12 BP difference you get for being a King would make gamebreaking difference which it shouldn't at all do.

Now I'm not saying nobility is the problem here. It's BP/Potency in general it's unfair and should not be put into a classic server. By all means create servers where BP is the main damage calculation system but please don't call it a classic server because it wont be by far.

Classic with a twist can be what you are aiming for but BP/Potency actually ruined TQ's game. And when they released that back in the day you could see TQ Conquer going downhill which resulted in the many many server merges TQ has done since.

I would like to refer you to these links, they are quite usefull for information. You can see that the server merges started as soon as they released Potency/Battlepower and only went more downhill after they introduced the other crappy content like talisman ninjas and so forth.
<- Shows how many splits they have done BEFORE potency/bp came out. It even goes down untill 2004 where dragon was first split into diamond. That was the peak of the game sir.
<- Shows that the first merge began at the end of 2007. But people were crying on the forums back then for merges way before they were actually done.
Now please head to this site: and scroll down and go to the last page. You will see that the potency was released a bit before the last available patch to download is listed and that was beginning of 2007. Do you see how quickly it went downhill after that and no ninja's weren't even released then that came in 2008.

[marcbacor6666]

nobility is one of the addition i added in my server stated in my advertisement a classic with a twist, basically i ur lazy and just sit around u wont gain rank, being king gives some advantage its a fair play since u wont be able to become king if u dont work hard on ur character so its not a big deal, if ur king in game it just mean that uv been working on hard ur character, and if u talked about the donators, making money in real life is not that easy so basically it like in the virual game making money is not easy so it means that ur still working hard on ur charcter if ur king in game since making money in game and in real life is not easy get the point? in my server those who work hard on their character will be in the toplist strongest in game. IT doesn't mean that i have nobility system in my server its already not classic, classic co means playing like the old co, but since this is not a clone and i called it a classic with a twist it just means that i added some things that was not in the original classic get it?

[Slushpupies!]

Originally Posted by marcbacor6666

nobility is one of the addition i added in my server stated in my advertisement a classic with a twist, basically i ur lazy and just sit around u wont gain rank, being king gives some advantage its a fair play since u wont be able to become king if u dont work hard on ur character so its not a big deal, if ur king in game it just mean that uv been working on hard ur character, and if u talked about the donators, making money in real life is not that easy so basically it like in the virual game making money is not easy so it means that ur still working hard on ur charcter if ur king in game since making money in game and in real life is not easy get the point? in my server those who work hard on their character will be in the toplist strongest in game. IT doesn't mean that i have nobility system in my server its already not classic, classic co means playing like the old co, but since this is not a clone and i called it a classic with a twist it just means that i added some things that was not in the original classic get it?

You are missing the point again.
Now I'm not saying nobility is the problem here. It's BP/Potency in general it's unfair and should not be put into a classic server. By all means create servers where BP is the main damage calculation system but please don't call it a classic server because it wont be by far.

[marcbacor6666]

Originally Posted by Slushpupies!

You are missing the point again.
Now I'm not saying nobility is the problem here. It's BP/Potency in general it's unfair and should not be put into a classic server. By all means create servers where BP is the main damage calculation system but please don't call it a classic server because it wont be by far.

before it was the nobility , and iv explained it why not, now u agree and told its the bp problem do i need to explained it again why not bp?

Explaination, you cannot get addtional bp if u already have all the gears without donation to the nobility ranking system. thats how the bp works.

dont tell me because it have bp system its not classic already? funny.

[cjN93]

Originally Posted by marcbacor6666

before it was the nobility , and iv explained it why not, now u agree and told its the bp problem do i need to explained it again why not bp?

Explaination, you cannot get addtional bp if u already have all the gears without donation to the nobility ranking system. thats how the bp works.

dont tell me because it have bp system its not classic already? funny.

It's true, don't be stubborn and understand it already that you cannot call a server "classic" when you're emulating the latest or fairly new implemented features, such as Battle Power. To be considered classic, you shouldn't even try to emulate the version you're emulating, that has no "classic" feeling at all.

[lostsolder05]

Originally Posted by cjN93

It's true, don't be stubborn and understand it already that you cannot call a server "classic" when you're emulating the latest or fairly new implemented features, such as Battle Power. To be considered classic, you shouldn't even try to emulate the version you're emulating, that has no "classic" feeling at all.

To be fair BattlePower isn't new and everyone has there own definition of "classic". You don't have to agree with him, but I think you guys have made your point.

[Slushpupies!]

Originally Posted by marcbacor6666

before it was the nobility , and iv explained it why not, now u agree and told its the bp problem do i need to explained it again why not bp?

Explaination, you cannot get addtional bp if u already have all the gears without donation to the nobility ranking system. thats how the bp works.

dont tell me because it have bp system its not classic already? funny.

Originally Posted by lostsolder05

To be fair BattlePower isn't new and everyone has there own definition of "classic". You don't have to agree with him, but I think you guys have made your point.

Yea, there is no point in arguing with someone who keeps missing the point.

All I was trying to point out is that you cannot call a server classic when it has all the features original Conquer had when they expanded into 2.0 just without ninja's. Because that is what his server is about really, except they have added in some custom events.
Atleast change the name to Conquer51 ''Almost classic'', the name he uses now is really misleading for the people who do actually seek a real Classic server.

[jolyano]

Wow Good Luck ..

[blah]

Donors get full 2 sock - 7 gear here.

Started of as a great old time server and the owner got greedy.

Basically we all helped serenity get rid of the bugs now he charges and all he runs is the game on his pc

Yes he runs it off his pc and it lags bad at times

Was a great server but donators own it now. shame.

Most of the origonal players have left in disgust now.

[marcbacor6666]

ahahah lol talking nonesense in here,, kindly trace our server ip address i live in philippines and my server is hosted in a vps and ur posting here its hosted in my pc ? ahahah man if the gm dont give u free items in game dont post nonsense in his advertisement,

i was so shock when i visited my thread and found this ahahah its kinda funny though.

[~Crystaline]

Originally Posted by blah

Donors get full 2 sock - 7 gear here.

Started of as a great old time server and the owner got greedy.

Basically we all helped serenity get rid of the bugs now he charges and all he runs is the game on his pc

Yes he runs it off his pc and it lags bad at times

Was a great server but donators own it now. shame.

Most of the origonal players have left in disgust now.

NO, he doesn't run it on his PC. And YES, it is on a VPs.

[marcbacor6666]

I've seen at least another 5 servers of yours , really curious how much this one will last . Good luck anyway.

I only have 2 server running for almost a year

Updated added more things and improvements in game.