Portforwarding

[jschellekens]

Dear people.

Another question
Portforwarding is not allowed in my country, is the only thing i can use hamachi?
Couldnt i open server ports with utorrent/bittorrent?
I know i can open 1 port with it, but can i also open 2?
Is there a way to portforward without hamachi or portforward on router?

thanks

[m e n a]

How actually it's not allowed in your country, I'm not sure if I'm on topic or not, but if you want to open any port you should open it using your router framework.
Access to you router using the Gateway IP.
But first you should know the Password and the Username.

Examples:
192.168.1.1
192.168.0.1
Extra examples for Gateway IP's
Default gateway

Default Passwords


Guide

[-impulse-]

uTorrent works with another socket type called UDP. UDP works a bit differently because it is not connection oriented, which is why uTorrent/BitTorrent work.
Say I have a UDP listening on a port. If someone connects to that port, I will receive a port along with his message. Using that port now I can create other connections towards him, no matter what firewalls he stays behind, because he opened the "door".
This doesn't work with TCP because TCP either listens or is connected to another socket.

If your ISP doesn't allow port-forwarding you will have to use hamachi or a private network of some sort.

[Freszone]

So, according to your laws, it's illegal to forward ports from the router, but then somehow magically uTorrent/BitTorrent opens it's own ports and it's legal?
What if you don't use NAT at all, will you get raided by the police?

[jschellekens]

Well it is actually noth illegal. But we got internet and telephone companys here like ziggo and tele2.
And ziggo is blocking things like piratebay and portforwarding.
But when i had a rune scape private server it worked with utorrent becuase it was only 1 port. I was wondering if there is a way they could allow me to portforward?
Or am i became stuck or using hamachi or a virtual server?
And if i should buy a virtual server? wich one should i get the first time in virtual server?
Thanks in advance
kind regards

[pro4never]

You clearly don't understand what port forwarding means.


You are telling your router (nothing to do with your ISP) what computer to send information on specific ports to. Your ISP could theoretically block the ports that Conquer uses but that would have nothing to do with port forwarding and it would also mean you couldn't play on any conquer servers hosted by others.


Go into your router
Set login + auth port to be forwarded to your local computers IP address
Save/reboot router

Ta-da! You're done.

[jschellekens]

wich ports do i need to open for conquer?

[Best Coder 2014]

Originally Posted by pro4never

You clearly don't understand what port forwarding means.


You are telling your router (nothing to do with your ISP) what computer to send information on specific ports to. Your ISP could theoretically block the ports that Conquer uses but that would have nothing to do with port forwarding and it would also mean you couldn't play on any conquer servers hosted by others.


Go into your router
Set login + auth port to be forwarded to your local computers IP address
Save/reboot router

Ta-da! You're done.

My ISP actually "blocked" port forwarding and I had to pay extra to get a static IP to be able to use port forwarding.

Originally Posted by jschellekens

wich ports do i need to open for conquer?

Login server port and game server port ... if you don't know what this means, you're not supposed to run a private server. No one can actually tell you what the ports are since it's something you configure. The default ports are 9958, 9959, 9960 for login server and 5816 for game server though, if I remember correctly.

[m e n a]

Guess it's Port 80.

[pro4never]

Originally Posted by Best Coder 2014

My ISP actually "blocked" port forwarding and I had to pay extra to get a static IP to be able to use port forwarding.


Login server port and game server port ... if you don't know what this means, you're not supposed to run a private server. No one can actually tell you what the ports are since it's something you configure. The default ports are 9958, 9959, 9960 for login server and 5816 for game server though, if I remember correctly.

I fail to see how they can block a function of your internal networking equipment... I say this working for an ISP.


Port forwarding is simple settings on your router... inside your home. Port forwarding has nothing to do with your external internet connection but rather a way for the router to know "when someone connects to me on this port, send it to this computer inside my own private network". Yes of course your ISP could block the ports conquer uses but that's going to block all traffic on that port going into your network and will still have nothing to do with whatever settings you've configured on your router.

You are most likely thinking of dynamic ip vs static ip. Most home connections will not have a static IP meaning whenever there's a reboot (or sometimes even just a new dhcp lease from your isp) your IP will change causing no one to be able to connect to you... that has nothing to do with port forwarding settings on your router though because again.. that's your internal home network that you own.

[Best Coder 2014]

Originally Posted by pro4never

I fail to see how they can block a function of your internal networking equipment... I say this working for an ISP.


Port forwarding is simple settings on your router... inside your home. Port forwarding has nothing to do with your external internet connection but rather a way for the router to know "when someone connects to me on this port, send it to this computer inside my own private network". Yes of course your ISP could block the ports conquer uses but that's going to block all traffic on that port going into your network and will still have nothing to do with whatever settings you've configured on your router.

You are most likely thinking of dynamic ip vs static ip. Most home connections will not have a static IP meaning whenever there's a reboot (or sometimes even just a new dhcp lease from your isp) your IP will change causing no one to be able to connect to you... that has nothing to do with port forwarding settings on your router though because again.. that's your internal home network that you own.

Translated directly by Google Translate, taken from the FAQ section of my ISP's website under the entry "I can't access my NAS server from the Internet":

If today you have made port forwarding settings of the router, and still want a guarantee that these must always be accessed, you can buy a reserved public IP address. Our address pools are too small for us to assign all customers a public IP address.

[pro4never]

Originally Posted by Best Coder 2014

Translated directly by Google Translate, taken from the FAQ section of my ISP's website under the entry "I can't access my NAS server from the Internet":

Yes, you confirmed what I just said.

They will allow you to purchase a static IP so that users can connect to you from outside your network regardless of how many times you connect. That has literally nothing to do with port forwarding which is a configuration setting on your fucking router.


Port forwarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In computer networking, port forwarding or port mapping is an application of network address translation (NAT) that redirects a communication request from one address and port number combination to another while the packets are traversing a network gateway, such as a router or firewall. This technique is most commonly used to make services on a host residing on a protected or masqueraded (internal) network available to hosts on the opposite side of the gateway (external network), by remapping the destination IP address and port number of the communication to an internal host.

Your router is the gateway to your internal network. Port forwarding is simply a rule on your router that states "when something connects to me on this port, forward it to this internal computer". It has nothing to do with your internet, it has nothing to do with your ISP.

You could not have an internet connection at all and you could still set up port forwarding on your router. Sure there'd be no incoming connections for it to forward but it would still be port forwarding and it would be no less functional then if you were online at the time.


For a visual example - Here's my router.



If anyone tries to connect to my PUBLIC ip address (provided by my isp. Could be dynamic, could be static, hell they could filter and block the traffic all they want based on my contract with them) on ports 9958, 5185 or 9528 it will forward it to my server machine which is running the local IP address 192.168.1.132

These settings are completely independent of what ISP I'm using and what my public IP address is. If my public IP address changes then sure, people will need to update their client to use my new public IP address but it doesn't have any impact on what my port forwarding settings would be.

I could assign a local (192) address inside windows so my server machine never changes its local IP or I could assign the IP permanently from router based on HWID or any other setting my router allows for. Still not related to ISP or internet connection in any way though.

[Best Coder 2014]

Originally Posted by pro4never

Yes, you confirmed what I just said.

They will allow you to purchase a static IP so that users can connect to you from outside your network regardless of how many times you connect. That has literally nothing to do with port forwarding which is a configuration setting on your ******* router.

OP was talking about port forwarding to allow people from outside his local network to connect to his computer, though.

He can do all the port forwarding he wants on his router and still not have people from the outside connect to him because of whatever configuration his ISP has.

I know what port forwarding is, I'm just trying to explain what he means by his ISP "blocking port forwarding".

[pro4never]

Originally Posted by Best Coder 2014

OP was talking about port forwarding to allow people from outside his local network to connect to his computer, though.

He can do all the port forwarding he wants on his router and still not have people from the outside connect to him because of whatever configuration his ISP has.

I know what port forwarding is, I'm just trying to explain what he means by his ISP "blocking port forwarding".

I understand what you're aiming for but what he's talking about is a static ip address, not port forwarding. Arguing that the information I provided is wrong is simply incorrect. I explained what port forwarding is and why that's not what he's looking into and that he needs a static IP (or a dns style setup so that users can constantly connect to whatever new IP he's hosting with) in order to do what he wants.

[Best Coder 2014]

Originally Posted by pro4never

I understand what you're aiming for but what he's talking about is a static ip address, not port forwarding. Arguing that the information I provided is wrong is simply incorrect. I explained what port forwarding is and why that's not what he's looking into and that he needs a static IP (or a dns style setup so that users can constantly connect to whatever new IP he's hosting with) in order to do what he wants.

Right, but I'm still not sure if you get what I mean.
The way my ISP is configured is like a local network where everyone (in a certain area/neighborhood/whatever) shares the same public IP and therefore you can't have anyone from the outside connect to your computer at all - unless you pay for a static IP that is. Using dynamic DNS or whatever still doesn't work in this case.
Apparently, this is a common configuration for ISPs that provide fibre internet, at least in my country.