It's time to shift away from private servers..

[MontanaTT]

This topic might cause a lot of controversy especially since it's posted in epvp forum. But then again not many options available are there? If i'd post it in a specific discord channel it'd just get deleted there anyway - additionally to that I am living in an european country where there's freedom of expression, that being said hear me out.

We all had our fair share of fun within the private server scene in the past. And i'm talking not only from players perspective but also developers / admin perspective. IT students, devs and other IT employees could evolve and improve their IT skills by learning and applying knowledge into a game they loved since childhood. Additionally they had a chance to get some additional income especially noteworthy for students. On the other hand we have the players who never were able to be "OP" on officials so the private servers provided them with an opportunity to pk toe to toe with other high-end players. So far this was all fun and agmes and we can't deny it was a nice experience. However we've all grown up, have stable income and some have even families. Most of us want just to relax after a hard day of work and play a bit of 9D for old times sake. But due to the lack of players on all these diverse servers we have a massive reduction of that fun. Since there's hardly any joy if the community is dead. The sad thing is, the community itself isnt really dead but they're just spread to across too many servers. The only way to fix this in my opininion is if 9D players wherever they may be playing all unite in a single server. And undeniably the best server suited for this cause is the official server 9D Papaya. It has many free giveaways cheaper prices then other officials x2 credit events, free kl7 relics etc etc. I think the best case scenario is if we all just meet there and have fun on daily basis chatting, playin, farming together etc.

Therefore I have a few suggestions. For one the private server devs would have to move on since to be fair maintaining a 9D server is way too time consuming for the economic return it brings(I say this as former ZeroN 9D and Project Alpha server owner). Secondly these devs are better off investing that time into finding a good paying dev job. It will also help them develop their skills if they do regular professional coding reviews and it will be better for their mental health too since they are taking part in society and doing a honorable job.
Towards the players I have to say you have all experienced now what it means to be OP after years and years of playing on private servers. The next goal should be to be able to take part in a very populated server and have nice talks & chats within a big community while farming and pvping with nice people.

So long story short. We should stick together and let the private server scene die for good as this scene should be considered deprecated in todays time. I suggest we all should try to unite in a single server for the benefit of all and I suggest that server should be the official 9D Papaya server.

Thanks and hope to meet you there.

[mrkenneth]

Wait what, you gonna main Papaya server?.

Wished to main Papaya but the person who made me intrested simply is to busy hehe.

" Edit : these who play Pservers, the ones that been out so far, is mental, as in they have some serious issues, not a single server thats not corrupt and have content thats playable, other then bad events and pvp the same 30 guys. "

[mestremes]

it's time to stop hype any 9dserver promises, 9d era is the new 'newdawn' 1 year delay and when launch will be worst than newdawn, we need to stop believing these server promises, most are always the same **** and with the same kind of **** moderation, i mentioned the delay on all these servers? 1or 2 years of delay and the game is alredy dead in 2 weeks

[Cromastone]

"very populated server" and you talk about papaya,funny.Ofc u didn't make any money from those servers...how much did zeron/project alpha last? We just need a stable server with some sane developers and not what we had until now...just some greedy bastards

[senatovici]

Originally Posted by Cromastone

"very populated server" and you talk about papaya,funny.Ofc u didn't make any money from those servers...how much did zeron/project alpha last? We just need a stable server with some sane developers and not what we had until now...just some greedy bastards

sharap dumbazz. You're not right.

[mestremes]

Originally Posted by Cromastone

"very populated server" and you talk about papaya,funny.Ofc u didn't make any money from those servers...how much did zeron/project alpha last? We just need a stable server with some sane developers and not what we had until now...just some greedy bastards

true

[mrkenneth]

Every Pserver is super boring, and corrupt, only kids and friends of the team plays on these servers, then you have the 30% " Join and leave community " ..

ZeroN server? R2-3?, Salty salty crew, remember retarded me use same PW over there as in Epvp and when i hacked their server they log and trolled here and got me perma banned, whew buncha buncha nerbs, play a offical here and there for nostaliga or dont play at all. ( Item mall dont matter black market fellas way more OP then u can be anyway, so dont play for PVP anymore any server, anywhere )

9DF server prob going to be first none corrupt server and actually know what his doing, but not sure the way he buildt the grind/farm path worthy, or if its gonna be as dumb as every other Pserver..

[x1Elite]

cAn i get ur discord thx

[MontanaTT]

Originally Posted by x1Elite

cAn i get ur discord thx

Papaya Official Server Website:
Permanent Discord:

[Adek]

Just a reminder: we have TWO actual publishers. Official ones.

Another one: I didn't go for that for the income. Remember ZeroN? $250 for making the tools customized for these files - back then we had literally none. Months of work just to get about a quarter of my salary back then, as a student. How badly written were those tools, though. RE'd multiple file structures. In 2014 I had the trap data in a skill table structure that couldn't possibly be available in leaked sources, contrary to what people actually say about my job. And back then, I had my "real fucking job" and was a part of society. And yeah, I started here as script kiddo and stayed there for a while until I got enough knowledge. That's how learning works.

Can't say I didn't expect gratification from my work. It takes some time to learn programming, to work with games, to know the structures, behaviors, patterns, etc. - but except that, I cast away the "greed" you guys mention. Even when Bogdy tried to pay me, I said to focus on delivering the best potential stuff first. We know how it ended, and not everyone had the same attitude in the team. And we moved through at least ten team members during the development phase. Even after beta, I had to return TWICE to make Bogdy release - otherwise who knows if we would have seen the New Dawn till now.

Why I won't join the dramapapaya? I was there since launch, played there completely legitimately. Of course, I did PoCs of the cheats for research purposes - and notified the GMs multiple times on Discord about the issues with their current client. You probably know the results. As of now, the server is almost as well protected as any vanilla 2012 client, just with a different types of bugs.

There is another reason the private servers should not go away in my opinion. The evolution of 9Dragons itself. Even if you ignore the pay-to-win tendencies, as in any Korean MMORPG (see: Lost Ark) - it went completely generic, head-on with "standards". And we know that the default way of doing things doesn't work well on anything, it's just to show that "we did something that other games had". I hate the pets' system the way it works now in 9D. Revamped dungeons appeared even on EoD. What were new, three new maps since the leak 10 years ago? Even the mobs have the very same models and animations, just with additional effects. That's the minimal effort. Duh, it's a disgrace to even call it "effort". Rascal models for endgame location? Am I a joke to you?

The 2012 client has that nostalgic feeling, it doesn't have multiple features available later in-game (it uses simplified crafting compared to A&D system, no cloth refines, no pets, etc.), yet it feels way better and more consistent compared to the newest one. Wouldn't mind playing late Acclaim's with Tibet as the last map, either. That was probably one of the best moments of 9D's life. The second one would be during the GC vs Play9D fight when GC actually got their game to the top.

I don't like the current 9D scene, but not everyone has enough patience to deal with months of tool development and content creation. I tried to connect with multiple developers a few times past 3 years - but almost everyone looked for the profit for their time investment. And that's reasonable. And even if you gather them together, every one of them has a different vision for the game. One would like full crit 9Warriors/9Nukers. Others enjoy rebalancing the game. You can't make it perfect without a consistent vision - and even then it's a ridiculously hard task. And that's why you always see "greedy owners", "insane developers" and "unplayable content". Something is not perfect. Nothing is. So unless you guys start mashing your keyboards, give it a shot - and think if you want to drop out of your roughly $120k/year work to make a private server just to get a few bucks - mostly illegal. You just can't be sane to do so.

[MontanaTT]

Well yeah papaya has bugs and isn't the safest game we can all agree on that. But then again a highly populated server with bugs and cheats is still better than the current situation caused by privates where the community is spread across dozens of servers. Besides the Papaya GMs were simply overwhelmed the first few weeks/months due to not knowing the game much and due to hundreds of requests getting in by players. They've started to react far better to user requests and chat with you individually. So you can try present the bugs again maybe they gonna listen this time.

[™Sin™]

Idk man i still perfer private server with less pay2win then retail servers with big pay2win methods when it comes to old games.
You are starting to sound like you sold your soul to them.
I'd rather see a private server thrive and increase it's playerbase slowly. Community is divided and toxic these days everywhere you go. Most of the fault for that goes to publishers who rush games and force players to pay full price for early access games.

A good example of rushing, deciding to save a few thousand dollars on few extra servers ensuring a smooth game launch is Lost Ark.
EU servers were full and down so many times that community became toxic and hateful towards everyone in one day after the launch. All area chats were filled with people argiung about all kinds of things.

All could be avoided if publishers/developers took a bit more risk with funds with more quality servers.

Long story short, everyone makes mistakes but id rather support a private server owner who tries to make fair as possible to everyone or at least less pay2win compared to retail servers.

Idk how much pay2win Papaya is, but so far i havent seen any retail 9D server that isnt pay2win.

[MontanaTT]

Originally Posted by ™Sin™

Idk man i still perfer private server with less pay2win then retail servers with big pay2win methods when it comes to old games.
You are starting to sound like you sold your soul to them.
I'd rather see a private server thrive and increase it's playerbase slowly. Community is divided and toxic these days everywhere you go. Most of the fault for that goes to publishers who rush games and force players to pay full price for early access games.

A good example of rushing, deciding to save a few thousand dollars on few extra servers ensuring a smooth game launch is Lost Ark.
EU servers were full and down so many times that community became toxic and hateful towards everyone in one day after the launch. All area chats were filled with people argiung about all kinds of things.

All could be avoided if publishers/developers took a bit more risk with funds with more quality servers.

Long story short, everyone makes mistakes but id rather support a private server owner who tries to make fair as possible to everyone or at least less pay2win compared to retail servers.

Idk how much pay2win Papaya is, but so far i havent seen any retail 9D server that isnt pay2win.

In the end what you're saying is "Officials are p2w so I rather support criminals". Because factually all private server owners are criminals and they would be faced with huge law inquiries given the circumstances. Anyways as I pointed out in my original post - by now the majority of players should've experienced the OP feeling after all these years of playing on privates so the prioirities for most should rather be to focus on social interractions and try to be part of a big populated server. Trust me it's better to be mediocre player in a populated p2w server where you have hundreds of individuals to interact with than being OP in a illegal low population private server. But this can only work if all 9d players gather together in a single official server.

[senatovici]

This forum kinda supports officials tho.

[-Geo_]

The first, the last and the best private server was Play9D, there will be nothing more like that.Time passes, things evolve and 9d is slowly going to die it doesn't matter how many new servers are going to come out. Play9D was something new for that era thats why it was so crowded (sometimes you couldn't even login it was so full), now everyone has their own private server lol