[NEW] ZeroN 9D - The Ultimate 9D Server

[Adek]

Never had problems with 14 con on healer. I soloed GCM @HM with EC/CS GK con relics, so I don't see the point here.

[senatovici]

20 ESS +20 WIS= 1K dmg, ahh?I could go GCM at GL11 and finish with 14 cons base(and not even a high dmg weap or anything close to that)..so there goes math again. I don't like to fight for useless things but I can say this, trying to figure stats in games is wrong cuz each clan has a set of "hidden" things that he can do, you just have to play it to max extend and see for yourself. Lets end this now, I believe you, doing the math for stats is right at some point.

[Adek]

Originally Posted by senatovici

20 ESS +20 WIS= 1K dmg, ahh?I could go GCM at GL11 and finish with 14 cons base(and not even a high dmg weap or anything close to that)..so there goes math again. I don't like to fight for useless things but I can say this, trying to figure stats in games is wrong cuz each clan has a set of "hidden" things that he can do, you just have to play it to max extend and see for yourself. Lets end this now, I believe you, doing the math for stats is right at some point.

So with, likely, 150 ess from clothes, would give me over 7k DMG? Not that bad, gonna try it

[senatovici]

Originally Posted by adek1994

So with, likely, 150 ess from clothes, would give me over 7k DMG? Not that bad, gonna try it

I already did that and: nope.

[josped]

Originally Posted by adek1994

Never had problems with 14 con on healer. I soloed GCM @HM with EC/CS GK con relics, so I don't see the point here.

Then you played the dumbed down "easy mode" GCM. The "real" one has a very nasty boss attack that debuffs for ~50con and removes all buffs (heal and shields are considered buffs too).

If you only had 14base, and ec/cs relics, that's 14+12+10=36. Debuff hits, it's -14, instadeath.

I used to do it on a 14con healer too, but had to use hat/gloves/boots with 2x12con ornaments. And every con relic.

That boss version was a real piss vs healers because not only it debuffed con, it also removed all buffs (thus heal was gone) and inflicted not just bleeding but also blood poison.

Guess why it was changed ,)

Originally Posted by adek1994

So with, likely, 150 ess from clothes, would give me over 7k DMG? Not that bad, gonna try it

Sorry, no can do. Ess works out at 2dmg/point iirc. Even with def nuke doubling it, won't hit that high. Wis will given the right circumstances, as it's a multiplicative factor.

Simplified math for ck dmg is something like [baseess*2]+[weapondmg+weaponrefine]+[wis*skilllevel*weaponlevel], moded by -def and %ckdmg.

The bold part is something that still eludes lots of people, and the reason it was very convenient to use a off-level bracer if you had enough crit to make up for it. It's also why it sucks so bad on ck hybs, as coupled with the -def, you need to either cut back the wis or stick to ~HM bracers, otherwise FC nuke overflows to hell.

Given the right gear (remember the dmg banners in P9D?), it goes so high even def nuke overflows

On an historical note, at some point nuker AoE was whack, and any mob that had def nuke applied to it would take so much negative damage it would heal the mob Made for a great way to piss ck hybs.

[josped]

Bodgy, can we have a "Deco Trade" on NPC? Pretty sucky when you Qlin RD's but then are stuck with wrong gender one. It's not PA9D's fault ofc, Gamecampus had to put in this exact same **** long ago

[bog18dy]

Originally Posted by josped

Bodgy, can we have a "Deco Trade" on NPC? Pretty sucky when you Qlin RD's but then are stuck with wrong gender one. It's not PA9D's fault ofc, Gamecampus had to put in this exact same **** long ago

Like use deco exchange tickets so you can choose gender ? Okie !

[Nagatoarek]

Does this server have any starting gifts like other privates?

[bog18dy]

Originally Posted by Nagatoarek

Does this server have any starting gifts like other privates?

Yes, we give 5 days M&D weapons and 400 def set.

[ghett0gs0n]

Originally Posted by josped

Then you played the dumbed down "easy mode" GCM. The "real" one has a very nasty boss attack that debuffs for ~50con and removes all buffs (heal and shields are considered buffs too).

If you only had 14base, and ec/cs relics, that's 14+12+10=36. Debuff hits, it's -14, instadeath.

I used to do it on a 14con healer too, but had to use hat/gloves/boots with 2x12con ornaments. And every con relic.

That boss version was a real piss vs healers because not only it debuffed con, it also removed all buffs (thus heal was gone) and inflicted not just bleeding but also blood poison.

Guess why it was changed ,)



Sorry, no can do. Ess works out at 2dmg/point iirc. Even with def nuke doubling it, won't hit that high. Wis will given the right circumstances, as it's a multiplicative factor.

Simplified math for ck dmg is something like [baseess*2]+[weapondmg+weaponrefine]+[wis*skilllevel*weaponlevel], moded by -def and %ckdmg.

The bold part is something that still eludes lots of people, and the reason it was very convenient to use a off-level bracer if you had enough crit to make up for it. It's also why it sucks so bad on ck hybs, as coupled with the -def, you need to either cut back the wis or stick to ~HM bracers, otherwise FC nuke overflows to hell.

Given the right gear (remember the dmg banners in P9D?), it goes so high even def nuke overflows

On an historical note, at some point nuker AoE was whack, and any mob that had def nuke applied to it would take so much negative damage it would heal the mob Made for a great way to piss ck hybs.

Also isn't the WIS multiplier effect different for nukers vs hybrid healers. Like 25% for nukers and 12.5% for hybrid healers. So even with the same stats a hybrid or healer cant compete with a nuker in damage.

[josped]

Originally Posted by ghett0gs0n

Also isn't the WIS multiplier effect different for nukers vs hybrid healers. Like 25% for nukers and 12.5% for hybrid healers. So even with the same stats a hybrid or healer cant compete with a nuker in damage.

If it was just 12% you couldn't nuke for 32k/65k with a **** base skill dmg, like that of def nuke and healer nukes

But that's PvE, in PvP things are different, and 200-500 base skills really can't do f'all, esp now that world+dog can hit over 3k ck def without any work at all.

Which is a huge crux of all the issues of PvP in 9D with absolutely no way around. It's either original without any items that say "def" in them, or KR system with all the new items.

[ghett0gs0n]

Originally Posted by josped

If it was just 12% you couldn't nuke for 32k/65k with a **** base skill dmg, like that of def nuke and healer nukes

But that's PvE, in PvP things are different, and 200-500 base skills really can't do f'all, esp now that world+dog can hit over 3k ck def without any work at all.

Which is a huge crux of all the issues of PvP in 9D with absolutely no way around. It's either original without any items that say "def" in them, or KR system with all the new items.

I cant say for healer, but my hybrid with around 400 WIS, buffs and all, only hits max 38k crit on def nuke. On a boss where def nuke dont work its around 10k. A nuker with same stats would easily hit 30 k on same DMG first role skill . My point is even if i max my penalty stat and ess which is now possible at db8, with all wis/DMG gear i still won't hit a boss with 65k on my second role nuke.

[mrsch0ko]

Originally Posted by adek1994

Never had problems with 14 con on healer. I soloed GCM @HM with EC/CS GK con relics, so I don't see the point here.

[bog18dy]

Win10 and 8.1 Patch HAS BEEN APPLIED!

The patch also deals with the following:
-no more client editing
-no more launcher bypassing

Win10 and 8.1, we welcome you !

[Nagatoarek]

Originally Posted by bog18dy

Win10 and 8.1 Patch HAS BEEN APPLIED!

The patch also deals with the following:
-no more client editing
-no more launcher bypassing

Win10 and 8.1, we welcome you !

NPC Buffs and KJD coming later?