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Old 12/30/2020, 10:29   #46
 
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Disclaimer: We usually don’t get involved into forum-like talks, but this one definitely needs some professional clarification. The message you’re about to read is a simple set of facts, it does not require any further debate and potentially provoking replies will be left unanswered. You can always reach out to us and join our Discord community for reference via Fury#4360
Making hard assumptions on affiliation with GGLoader is the least of our concerns, so let it be. Obviously, judging by his ultimate desire to promote GGloader, we’d say yes; but his lack of knowledge of the WoW cheats and development proves the opposite.

Here is a single fact from the UCS core developer (welcome to add Fury#4360 for more info) who does not need to cover his identity under secondary accounts to write messages on this forum or anywhere else, as UCS has always been most transparent to the community:
Every cheat/hack is potentially detectable, including (and some with a greater risk) the Pixel Bots.
Here is why and how Blizzard have done this (few of the many ways):
1 Process Signature
1.1 Enumerate existing running processes which every pixel rotation must have to trigger simulated mouse and keyboards on the fly.
1.2 Call Win32 API ReadFile() & ReadProcessMemory() to grab the file and memory signatures and ban “bad processes”.
1.3 Check hard drive Urn Journals for process tracks and ban “bad processes”.
2 LLMHF_INJECTED-based Mouse-Keyboard Simulation Interception (OW and WoW share the same Warden) For some reason it removes "unknown cheats" from the URL, so you would have to paste it manually instead of stars **** without a space.
3 Loaded AddOns Blacklisting
Scan loaded addons and ban users at any time who loaded them. And pixel-only bots (without memory integration) can hardly avoid using AddOns to do rotation logics. The most recent banwave caused by Addons happened in SEP 2020 (that everybody is so eager to hide).

What Pixel Bots do is they keep changing the “signatures”. But it is only a matter of time for the cat-mouse game, where such a developer is always behind Blizzard’s Warden anti-cheat. Such bans are essentially only a matter of Blizzard’s preferences. The only reason why a Pixel Bot can live, is if it’s too small/trivial for Blizzard to assign a Warden developer with task to kick it off the stage. The reason why it’s small, is maybe because the features are way too limited due to pixel nature. Not to mention the insanely hard setup process of a Pixel Bot, which probably scares off Blizzard agents when they want to try it lol.

As for non-pixel platforms, there are few to choose from (UCS, EWT and Luabox), and HandsFree combat rotation supports them all. Once again, for those of you who are new, please keep in mind the difference between a platform and a script: a script (combat rotation) is run by a platform, and the platform is responsible for security. Hence, statements like “Handsfree users have been banned” are wrong by default. So if anyone wants to shittalk please at least do it properly (aka “Handsfree users playing on EWT have been banned, while Handsfree users on UCS platform are still fine”), a lying fool looks twice as bad.

So how have been LUA unlockers surviving? UCS platform, for example, runs at kernel ring 0 level while Warden (being a user level 3 software) cannot access it. EWT and Luabox specialize on User-level Warden protection technologies, bypassing active scans and firing “tripwire” events on every Warden update. As you can see, there are several efficient ways to counter Warden, although it requires a level of expertise beyond a simple mouse emulator of a Pixel Bot. However, none of the platforms (even with a credible banwave history of UCS) will provide a 100% warranty, and no cheat can.

So just think why you should put your account under considerable risk with a public Pixel Bot for less features, harder setup and shady communities. Our legit experienced team of reverse engineers, assembly developers and PC architecture specialists from UCS is ready to take you on board at . At UCS you can find top-notch Handsfree combat rotations (PvP-oriented with casual PvE support) that has been around since before Pixel Bot was even a thing (during Firehack times of 2014) and KFM PvE rotations, both are constantly and ready to welcome their users at Discord community (add Fury#4360 for invitation), just like we’ve welcomed a few hundred of former Pixel Bot users.
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Old 12/31/2020, 10:44   #47

 
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Most customers don't understand the complexity of ring-0 or even what it is, sadly.
I still chuckle whenever Tencent decided to make their anticheat ring-0.

KFM is great, I'd love to work on some of the rotations and perfect them.
I highly rate KFM and UCS as a whole.
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Old 01/01/2021, 02:11   #48

 
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Disclaimer: We usually don’t get involved into forum-like talks, but this one definitely needs some professional clarification. The message you’re about to read is a simple set of facts, it does not require any further debate and potentially provoking replies will be left unanswered. You can always reach out to us and join our Discord community for reference via Fury#4360
Making hard assumptions on affiliation with GGLoader is the least of our concerns, so let it be. Obviously, judging by his ultimate desire to promote GGloader, we’d say yes; but his lack of knowledge of the WoW cheats and development proves the opposite.

Here is a single fact from the UCS core developer (welcome to add Fury#4360 for more info) who does not need to cover his identity under secondary accounts to write messages on this forum or anywhere else, as UCS has always been most transparent to the community:
Every cheat/hack is potentially detectable, including (and some with a greater risk) the Pixel Bots.
Here is why and how Blizzard have done this (few of the many ways):
1 Process Signature
1.1 Enumerate existing running processes which every pixel rotation must have to trigger simulated mouse and keyboards on the fly.
1.2 Call Win32 API ReadFile() & ReadProcessMemory() to grab the file and memory signatures and ban “bad processes”.
1.3 Check hard drive Urn Journals for process tracks and ban “bad processes”.
2 LLMHF_INJECTED-based Mouse-Keyboard Simulation Interception (OW and WoW share the same Warden) For some reason it removes "unknown cheats" from the URL, so you would have to paste it manually instead of stars **** without a space.
3 Loaded AddOns Blacklisting
Scan loaded addons and ban users at any time who loaded them. And pixel-only bots (without memory integration) can hardly avoid using AddOns to do rotation logics. The most recent banwave caused by Addons happened in SEP 2020 (that everybody is so eager to hide).

What Pixel Bots do is they keep changing the “signatures”. But it is only a matter of time for the cat-mouse game, where such a developer is always behind Blizzard’s Warden anti-cheat. Such bans are essentially only a matter of Blizzard’s preferences. The only reason why a Pixel Bot can live, is if it’s too small/trivial for Blizzard to assign a Warden developer with task to kick it off the stage. The reason why it’s small, is maybe because the features are way too limited due to pixel nature. Not to mention the insanely hard setup process of a Pixel Bot, which probably scares off Blizzard agents when they want to try it lol.

As for non-pixel platforms, there are few to choose from (UCS, EWT and Luabox), and HandsFree combat rotation supports them all. Once again, for those of you who are new, please keep in mind the difference between a platform and a script: a script (combat rotation) is run by a platform, and the platform is responsible for security. Hence, statements like “Handsfree users have been banned” are wrong by default. So if anyone wants to shittalk please at least do it properly (aka “Handsfree users playing on EWT have been banned, while Handsfree users on UCS platform are still fine”), a lying fool looks twice as bad.

So how have been LUA unlockers surviving? UCS platform, for example, runs at kernel ring 0 level while Warden (being a user level 3 software) cannot access it. EWT and Luabox specialize on User-level Warden protection technologies, bypassing active scans and firing “tripwire” events on every Warden update. As you can see, there are several efficient ways to counter Warden, although it requires a level of expertise beyond a simple mouse emulator of a Pixel Bot. However, none of the platforms (even with a credible banwave history of UCS) will provide a 100% warranty, and no cheat can.

So just think why you should put your account under considerable risk with a public Pixel Bot for less features, harder setup and shady communities. Our legit experienced team of reverse engineers, assembly developers and PC architecture specialists from UCS is ready to take you on board at . At UCS you can find top-notch Handsfree combat rotations (PvP-oriented with casual PvE support) that has been around since before Pixel Bot was even a thing (during Firehack times of 2014) and KFM PvE rotations, both are constantly and ready to welcome their users at Discord community (add Fury#4360 for invitation), just like we’ve welcomed a few hundred of former Pixel Bot users.
For those who don't know Naarian, who "sold" HF to Fury (totally not the same person btw, lol), which in itself is odd because if Fury was such a good developer, there would be no reason he couldn't start his own thing, but nevertheless, he starts off all of his arguments the exact same way. His posting behavior is extremely predictable; his first goal is to attempt to act as if the other person knows less than he does.


Like Naarian Fury said, why should you risk your account with a provider that is actively targeted versus one that is safer and has a better detection history when they both achieve the same thing? Well, other than UCS focusing on PvP whereas GGL developers focus on both.

Don't get me wrong, when I used HF, it was great and yes, for PvP it performs noticeably better. but there is no point in risking my accounts simply because I can't wait a few weeks for a GGL community developer to make something that I can both get Cutting Edge with, high IO with, and gladiator with.

Further, while his mention of the ban wave from September 2020 which GGL didn't receive a single ban from but others did, many AimSharp users were able to have their ban reversed as they were able to argue the use of a rotation helper - which I have never seen an injection ban being reversed.

As I've maintained, if you're a PvP seller, frequent account buyer, or generally don't care about your account, HF/UCS is the way to go as you will have a lot more enjoyable time.
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UnitedSolutions, I used your entire project during whole BFA, and I can say that at first it was not bad, but the happiness did not last long, only a couple of months until problems began with constant departures and the inaccessibility of EWT - one of the platforms that calls it tripwire events, and then bans. I lost my account, at that time it was known that the KFM platform (also from UCS) never had a detection at all (which is actually not true if you look on the Internet). I started using KFM and was banned again after a few months. In general, I gave up this because I can not afford to level the account every time when shit is happen.

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Once again, for those of you who are new, please keep in mind the difference between a platform and a script: a script (combat rotation) is run by a platform, and the platform is responsible for security.
Complete disagree, it is a single ecosystem. If you program your profile to interrupt casts instantly, what is not responsible for security?

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So how have been LUA unlockers surviving? UCS platform, for example
Exactly. You are just trying to survive, this is the best clarification.



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runs at kernel ring 0 level while Warden (being a user level 3 software) cannot access it. EWT and Luabox specialize on User-level Warden protection technologies, bypassing active scans and firing “tripwire” events on every Warden update
This is so bullshit, if from the 3rd level you could not penetrate to the first level, then you would not have bans at all
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For those who don't know Naarian, who "sold" HF to Fury (totally not the same person btw, lol), which in itself is odd because if Fury was such a good developer, there would be no reason he couldn't start his own thing
Your argument doesn't make sense, because Fury is one of the UCS core developers (C and Assembly), who has nothing to do with combat rotation (LUA). Not to mention that only Handsfree label and brand name was obtained from Naarian, the actual development of the script is taken care by a new team. Former users who still play with the new Handsfree can definitely feel the difference in features and rotation design.


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Well, other than UCS focusing on PvP whereas GGL developers focus on both.
Sorry, if I have to call you incompetent once again, but UCS is a platform, not a scripts provider. UCS is not focused on anything but secure unlocking features. The combat rotations that are provided at UCS by 3rd party developers currently include Handsfree (PvP with casual PvE support) and KFM (hardcore PvE rotations). There are also some other utility modules available at UCS platform (for more info refer to the )


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simply because I can't wait a few weeks for a GGL community developer to make something that I can both get Cutting Edge with, high IO with, and gladiator with.
I'm afraid GGL will never match the quality of combat rotations at UCS, simply because of the limitations of pixel-based technologies.


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I lost my account, at that time it was known that the KFM platform (also from UCS) never had a detection at all (which is actually not true if you look on the Internet). I started using KFM and was banned again after a few months. This is so bullshit, if from the 3rd level you could not penetrate to the first level, then you would not have bans at all
Anyone is welcome to join our Discord community (via Fury#4360) and ask the thousand of real users about this. We've never claimed 100% safety, but we are proud of our true rare bans history.

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Complete disagree, it is a single ecosystem. If you program your profile to interrupt casts instantly, what is not responsible for security?
I doubt you ever used any of Handsfree products, otherwise you'd know there are over 15 kinds of settings to control your kicks and it's set to 60-80% by default. Last but not least, don't mix player reports and platform detection banwaves.

And the last thing that destroyed the post's trustworthiness was when you referred to lol1p's words, whos reputation's been compromised after his several failed attempts with wownet.
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I doubt you ever used any of Handsfree products, otherwise you'd know there are over 15 kinds of settings to control your kicks and it's set to 60-80% by default
Man, I used HF even before you bought it from the owner, I respect quality of old HF rotations, it's not same like current ones to be honest it's worse and you know that.

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we are proud of our true rare bans history.
What? What? IMAO your UCS project is number1 highest ban hammer-rated unlocker in my list of used exp between luabox, ewt, wownet.

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Last but not least, don't mix player reports and platform detection banwaves.
Don't bother to defend yourself. People who bought your product over time, like me, will realize that you are just salesman and you are ready to say anything, any nonsense bullshit and put yourself in comparison with what you have not even tried, which is explains why you are here - so as not to lose sales, because you know the truth and it burns your eyes, right?
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...some more useless bias mumbling...
Once again, anyone is welcome to join our Discord community (via Fury#4360) and ask the thousand of real users about real experience AND test the highest quality of combat rotations at for 3 days yourself to feel the difference. Nothing more to add. All the objective facts have been already provided in my previous posts. The choice is yours. UCS is the red pill you were looking for.
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Btw, blizzard can easy detect ring 0 stuff. There was many ring 0 hacks in overwatch, all got busted.
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Too much tanlking, wich rotation bot is working and its cheap 2021 ?
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Btw, blizzard can easy detect ring 0 stuff. There was many ring 0 hacks in overwatch, all got busted.
If someone failed before, it doesn’t mean the tech failed, it’s how it was implemented.

Kernel gives you many advantages, but it’s not a panacea and you still need to apply it in the right way, such as hiding your driver and memory traces that are detectable from ring 3. But it’s surely easier than usermode as you have more undetectable tools at your disposal, essentially operating in a higher dimension than warden.

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Too much tanlking, wich rotation bot is working and its cheap 2021 ?
Long story short -
One spec - 48$/90days, 96$/365days
One class - 9$/3days, 96$/90days, 192$/365days
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If someone failed before, it doesn’t mean the tech failed, it’s how it was implemented.

Kernel gives you many advantages, but it’s not a panacea and you still need to apply it in the right way, such as hiding your driver and memory traces that are detectable from ring 3. But it’s surely easier than usermode as you have more undetectable tools at your disposal, essentially operating in a higher dimension than warden.



Long story short -
One spec - 48$/90days, 96$/365days
One class - 9$/3days, 96$/90days, 192$/365days

PVE rotations included or only pvp ?
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PVE rotations included or only pvp ?
A lot of people saying HF is bad atm but I have yet to test myself looks like from what most people saying if you using for pvp

Will be banned ASAP lol
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UCS is the red pill you were looking for.
UCS is "ban hammer" that you are looking for, UCS advertised wherever you can imagine, in every bot section of any forum, he just screams about himself to be focused. Your lifespan between bans is around 6 months I am saying this as your recently loyal user.


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If someone failed before, it doesn’t mean the tech failed, it’s how it was implemented.

Kernel gives you many advantages, but it’s not a panacea and you still need to apply it in the right way, such as hiding your driver and memory traces that are detectable from ring 3. But it’s surely easier than usermode as you have more undetectable tools at your disposal, essentially operating in a higher dimension than warden.
Stop defending yourself and pouring water into people's ears. You were caught by the hand here and are trying with all your might to tell people that your project is not yet the sinking boat that it could have been.

UCS and any other routines based on lua unlocker will be always #1 potentially high risked bots.

Lua unlocker is a pure injection into the game, no matter how well you put water on people's ears that it doesn't use injection/memory and whatever it is, it's not true. Don't try to beat yourself up by replying that you didn't say that, it won't be true either, because KFM has always been advertised as a non-injection solution, which is not true from the very beginning, even after the very first KFM's ban for a very long time it was still advertised as 0 bans misleading new customers, now you are trying to mislead here.

Moreover, due to the tripwire events system for some projects, you simply cannot seriously raid due to outages.

Therefore, the above stated, your rotations quality also cannot be considered the highest, medium well might the maximum its rate but again only as maximum of possible highest star and not for every class.

UnitedSolutions, and please do not quote the text that I did not write!
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UCS is "ban hammer" that you are looking for, UCS advertised wherever you can imagine, in every bot section of any forum, he just screams about himself to be focused. Your lifespan between bans is around 6 months I am saying this as your recently loyal user.



Stop defending yourself and pouring water into people's ears. You were caught by the hand here and are trying with all your might to tell people that your project is not yet the sinking boat that it could have been.

UCS and any other routines based on lua unlocker will be always #1 potentially high risked bots.

Lua unlocker is a pure injection into the game, no matter how well you put water on people's ears that it doesn't use injection/memory and whatever it is, it's not true. Don't try to beat yourself up by replying that you didn't say that, it won't be true either, because KFM has always been advertised as a non-injection solution, which is not true from the very beginning, even after the very first KFM's ban for a very long time it was still advertised as 0 bans misleading new customers, now you are trying to mislead here.

Moreover, due to the tripwire events system for some projects, you simply cannot seriously raid due to outages.

Therefore, the above stated, your rotations quality also cannot be considered the highest, medium well might the maximum its rate but again only as maximum of possible highest star and not for every class.

UnitedSolutions, and please do not quote the text that I did not write!
So when you say everything is ****, what is good in your opinion then?
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Long story short -
One spec - 48$/90days, 96$/365days
One class - 9$/3days, 96$/90days, 192$/365days
Anyone interested in getting real feedback about Handsfree PvP and KFM PvE rotations or UCS platform from thousands of real users, welcome to our Discord via Fury#4360 invitation.

We have provided all the facts about pixel bots and other products for the public to consider, and we cannot waste any more time here debating with dilettantes.
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