A new list?

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by sietseiscool1

there is no list that can be unbiased without people getting banned/scammed.

relentless put up trusted providers. if your cheat is out 3 months and not detected yet. you are on the right way but i would still not wanna see that on a trusted list.
i think his list is fine as it is

Ofc a provider list can be unbiased, it's all about how well know a provider is on the community, that's why a tier list is ideal, because you can add new providers and have old and known providers too.

He just added a provider that's only been public for 2 months to his new list, so not sure it's that unbiased or not.


Problem with his old list was that rage and less known providers wasn't on it, and that makes it biased towards known and legit providers.

[Clarkina]

Originally Posted by lort1234

Problem is that people see these list's and are trusting them, then if you don't provide all providers on the list, that have a working product, you are making it biased and also indirectly saying providers that aren't on the list isn't trustworthy and/or a scam.

There should only be one list, and moderators have before deleted other list's because there already was one that was seen as up to date.

The method of making the list should be 100% unbiased, you can still provide valuable information in the list that makes the decision for the end user easier to choose the right product for them, without excluding some providers that offer a product meant to be used to rage with or a cheap product that get detected sometimes.



That's why there should be "tiers" ranking providers on how long they have had a working product.

That was people can choose to trust a new product or choose a product that have been working for years without having a biased list.



That is not what you have been doing tho, you have been excluding known providers and providers that focus on rage, and openly admitted to it.



Read the whole thread again. These are not the issues, the issue is that the list is totally biased with the OP's own requirements on how to get onto the list, even tho a provider can be legit and not furfill the requirements needed to be on the list.

And i don't think anyone got anything against Relentless here, it's simply not okay to exclude providers in the way he does on a list that influence to many people on this forum.

The lists title says UNOFFICIAL, if people read that and are trusting it 100% that's there own fault when it warns them. I've tried well over 50 cheats that aren't on any official list and see countless people do as well, vouching and making posts about experiences with cheats so others can see them is far better then any list. Any list you could possibly make would be biased in some way.

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by Clarkina

The lists title says UNOFFICIAL, if people read that and are trusting it 100% that's there own fault when it warns them. I've tried well over 50 cheats that aren't on any official list and see countless people do as well, vouching and making posts about experiences with cheats so others can see them is far better then any list. Any list you could possibly make would be biased in some way.

People never trust it 100%, but people do use it as a general guide on what is known and used by others.

I don’t agree a list cannot be unbiased, it’s all about how it’s made and also the communities responsability to make sure it keeps being unbiased as we have just seen now, with the current list.

Just because there is 50 small cheats that isn’t on the list, doesn’t mean the list isn’t useful. My whole point on either making a new list or changing the current was, so that smaller and new providers had a change to be on the list, as long as they provide a valid product.

[Clarkina]

You do not want new providers on a list of legit and scam sellers, what you are trying to do makes no sense, the point of the list is to show long time and trusted developers in the community not as an advertising billboard for new developers in the community who have not proven themselves, it takes a long time to build up a solid reputation as a developer the last thing I want is new developers/products being added to the list. You also should not be adding developers just because they have a valid product, you don't seem to understand the point of it at all. You want developers that have proven to be trustworthy, have good support, and are consistent. It takes a long time for a developer to prove they are these things. The list should be small and very hard for developers to get onto. You're literally just describing the black market. That's where small or new developers need to go to advertise there product until they've been around for a few years and built that reputation.

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by Clarkina

You do not want new providers on a list of legit and scam sellers, what you are trying to do makes no sense, the point of the list is to show long time and trusted developers in the community not as an advertising billboard for new developers in the community who have not proven themselves, it takes a long time to build up a solid reputation as a developer the last thing I want is new developers/products being added to the list. You also should not be adding developers just because they have a valid product, you don't seem to understand the point of it at all. You want developers that have proven to be trustworthy, have good support, and are consistent. It takes a long time for a developer to prove they are these things. The list should be small and very hard for developers to get onto. You're literally just describing the black market. That's where small or new developers need to go to advertise there product until they've been around for a few years and built that reputation.

Read through this thread again.

The whole point of changing how the list works is so, there isn’t any biased opinions.

There is a tier and also a scam and untrusted list, in which providers will be on one of the tier/catagories.

They will be on a different catagorie depending on how known and trusted they and their product is, this way makes the whole list way less biased since, there isn’t some provider that isn’t on the list just because it doesn’t furfill some made up requirements on what makes they able to be on the list.

This way doesn’t make the list less valuable and/or less trusted, it simply makes it so products that have a lower price and are detected sometimes, but still have a working products is able to be on the list, or rage providers that focus more on features than security, which also has a user group.

Before these changes there where so many well known and trusted providers that wasn’t on the list, which this community clearly did not like, as showed in this thread and the list thread.

Something had to change, and it seems like it will now.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by lort1234

Read through this thread again.

The whole point of changing how the list works is so, there isn’t any biased opinions.

There is a tier and also a scam and untrusted list, in which providers will be on one of the tier/catagories.

They will be on a different catagorie depending on how known and trusted they and their product is, this way makes the whole list way less biased since, there isn’t some provider that isn’t on the list just because it doesn’t furfill some made up requirements on what makes they able to be on the list.

This way doesn’t make the list less valuable and/or less trusted, it simply makes it so products that have a lower price and are detected sometimes, but still have a working products is able to be on the list, or rage providers that focus more on features than security, which also has a user group.

Before these changes there where so many well known and trusted providers that wasn’t on the list, which this community clearly did not like, as showed in this thread and the list thread.

Something had to change, and it seems like it will now.

i have took the tier system on board

but new devs and projects will not be added
They will have to have been around for atleast 2-3 months

for example aim master will still not be added yet, as its too new
maybe another month and it can be

Last time i had people begging me to add new providers such as "the lab", they came out of no where and exit scammed a few months later

[Clarkina]

You're acting like a tier system has never been tried, it's been tried multiple times, how you sort people into those tiers will be totally biased and will make many people upset. For example league of legends has tried a tier system many times they even tried a rating system, but there was so much backlash they had to get rid of it. You're acting like the list undertook some massive change recently but it didn't. Seriously you keep saying your system will be totally unbiased so how about you just make it instead of complaining how the current list is biased while providing no proof. No one is stopping you go make a new list.

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by Relentless

i have took the tier system on board

but new devs and projects will not be added
They will have to have been around for atleast 2-3 months

for example aim master will still not be added yet, as its too new
maybe another month and it can be

Last time i had people begging me to add new providers such as "the lab", they came out of no where and exit scammed a few months later

Why did you add someone that is totally unknown on here and also have no other people vouched for them.

Think you should remove Implicity from the list then, since they have only need public for a couple of months and isn’t well known by any other trusted people on here.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by lort1234

Why did you add someone that is totally unknown on here and also have no other people vouched for them.

Think you should remove Implicity from the list then, since they have only need public for a couple of months and isn’t well known by any other trusted people on here.

i cant please everyone, suck it up or go elsewhere

implicity have been around, and providing for a long time. aimmaster hasn't, If you cant understand that then it isnt my problem.

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by Clarkina

You're acting like a tier system has never been tried, it's been tried multiple times, how you sort people into those tiers will be totally biased and will make many people upset. For example league of legends has tried a tier system many times they even tried a rating system, but there was so much backlash they had to get rid of it. You're acting like the list undertook some massive change recently but it didn't. Seriously you keep saying your system will be totally unbiased so how about you just make it instead of complaining how the current list is biased while providing no proof. No one is stopping you go make a new list.

As i already wrote, go read the whole thread.

I don’t agree with you, I believe it can be made unbiased and is something that will be more unbiased than the previous list.

The list did make some big changes, adding a new way to catagorise, adding rage providers, adding provider that sometimes are dt etc. Is this is not big changes what would be?

Making a tier system and ratings system is based on experience with the product, if you make a list that simply just state some well known things like: Time being public, known detections, external or internal, general experience from the community etc.

People aren’t allowed to make these lists if there already is a updated version of one in a forum.

Originally Posted by Relentless

i cant please everyone, suck it up or go elsewhere

implicity have been around, and providing for a long time. aimmaster hasn't, If you cant understand that then it isnt my problem.

Then you simply shouldn’t be the one to have the responsibility of this list, people have been complaining A LOT the past months about how you manage the list, and it required me to make this thread for you to just make some of the changes needed to make it less biased.

Implicitly is only known in biased discord channel like OUD, you said that your self.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by lort1234

As i already wrote, go read the whole thread.

I don’t agree with you, I believe it can be made unbiased and is something that will be more unbiased than the previous list.

The list did make some big changes, adding a new way to catagorise, adding rage providers, adding provider that sometimes are dt etc. Is this is not big changes what would be?

Making a tier system and ratings system is based on experience with the product, if you make a list that simply just state some well known things like: Time being public, known detections, external or internal, general experience from the community etc.

People aren’t allowed to make these lists if there already is a updated version of one in a forum.



Then you simply shouldn’t be the one to have the responsibility of this list, people have been complaining A LOT the past months about how you manage the list, and it required me to make this thread for you to just make some of the changes needed to make it less biased.

Implicitly is only known in biased discord channel like OUD, you said that your self.

you said biased not me...

only people i see complaining is you and people who were not added, i get dms most days about ppl thanking me

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by Relentless

you said biased not me...

OUD announced they had to revamp their whole discord because they had “lost their track” and became biased with how you promote various providers.

If you actually was well informed in this community you would also know that.

[Relentless]

your crying to me, but look at other lists managed by other people. I put the most work in out of anyone managing any list on this forum

Originally Posted by lort1234

OUD announced they had to revamp their whole discord because they had “lost their track” and became biased with how you promote various providers.

If you actually was well informed in this community you would also know that.

im one of the most active oud users there is, so again your wrong

lmao, you clearly dont like me and thats fine, ive tried to please you and listen to you but it seems its impossible, your small minded.
Good day

[Clarkina]

Originally Posted by lort1234

As i already wrote, go read the whole thread.

I don’t agree with you, I believe it can be made unbiased and is something that will be more unbiased than the previous list.

The list did make some big changes, adding a new way to catagorise, adding rage providers, adding provider that sometimes are dt etc. Is this is not big changes what would be?

Making a tier system and ratings system is based on experience with the product, if you make a list that simply just state some well known things like: Time being public, known detections, external or internal, general experience from the community etc.

People aren’t allowed to make these lists if there already is a updated version of one in a forum.



Then you simply shouldn’t be the one to have the responsibility of this list, people have been complaining A LOT the past months about how you manage the list, and it required me to make this thread for you to just make some of the changes needed to make it less biased.

Implicitly is only known in biased discord channel like OUD, you said that your self.

What are you saying? I'm talking about relentless's lists didn't have any massive change recently. Required you to make this thread? No one required you to do anything, you wanted to complain instead of actually doing something. People aren't allowed to make this list? Congrats name it something else such as lotrs recommended cheats and your totally fine. You haven't even tried to make one. You haven't tried to do anything other then complain. How about you go actually try to do something and if you run into issues then complain. You haven't done or tried to do anything.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Clarkina

What are you saying? I'm talking about relentless's lists didn't have any massive change recently. Required you to make this thread? No one required you to do anything, you wanted to complain instead of actually doing something. People aren't allowed to make this list? Congrats name it something else such as lotrs recommended cheats and your totally fine. You haven't even tried to make one. You haven't tried to do anything other then complain. How about you go actually try to do something and if you run into issues then complain. You haven't done or tried to do anything

if he tried it would just get deleted as theirs already one being maintained.
You snooze you lose i guess.

also lort, i never said it was the owners of those discord recommending it, ask just normal people and they will say its good too.