A new list?

[lort1234]

Should we have a new list showing "known" providers, instead of biased self made "Legit & scam" list?

Simply a list showing every providers (Not including known scam providers) with a tier system that show how long a provider have had a public working product for rust?

[Relentless]

Already spoken with the admins, I will regain access to the post later. My list is in no way bias, if you you have any suggestions please let me know.

[Krad3z3]

My opinion is that list should be more frequently updated, actually legit providers listed not just the most sold ones. For example Clutch who is 15 years on the scene is not listed while having solid projects. Who decides who can be on the list? Just because some provider doesn't have customers spamming under thread post that he is legit and that product is good doesn't mean it's not legit provider with good product?

More research should be done for list, it shouldn't depend on non reputable accounts spamming who is good and who is not.

Also to be honest it's wasn't fair to list yourself selling FW and not list Clutch(your direct competitor) who has been doing his job fair for that many years. He is probably not the only seller that is not listed while some others are.

Originally Posted by Relentless

Already spoken with the admins, I will regain access to the post later. My list is in no way bias, if you you have any suggestions please let me know.

Hopefully you get access to still be able to run it but do more research yourself, don't depend on vouches under thread. It can be easily manipulated.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by AimMasterCC

My opinion is that list should be more frequently updated, actually legit providers listed not just the most sold ones. For example Clutch who is 15 years on the scene is not listed while having solid projects. Who decides who can be on the scene? Just because some provider doesn't have customers spamming under thread post that he is legit and that product is good doesn't mean it's not legit provider with good product?

More research should be done for list, it shouldn't depend on non reputable accounts spamming who is good and who is not.

Also to be honest it's wasn't fair to list yourself selling FW and not list Clutch(your direct competitor) who has been doing his job fair for that many years. He is probably not the only seller that is not listed while some others are.



Hopefully you get access to still be able to run it but do more research yourself, don't depend on vouches under thread. It can be easily manipulated.

I will look into doing a revamp of the list, but just because you have been around for a long time doesn’t mean you’re good quality. I removed clutch. While back a their 1pc rust product wasn’t very good, overpriced for the features it had and had a bad detection history.

As for the firmware, I was in no way doing it because they were a “competitor”, not too long go they were detected on eac and BE. So I was reluctant to add them

If this was the case, why are plenty of other firmware providers listed…

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Already spoken with the admins, I will regain access to the post later. My list is in no way bias, if you you have any suggestions please let me know.

Your list only include providers that you deem legit.

You don’t add rage providers.
You don’t add providers that get dt sometimes.
You make your own rules to determine if a provider is “legit” by having your own requirements for what determine a “legit” provider.
You admitted your thread wasn’t meant as a “legit & scam” provider list, but more a recommened provider list.

Because of these reasons i don’t see why your list should be used as a “legit & scam” provider list.

Either the thread name of the list should be changed or you should be more unbiased and include all providers that have a working product.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by lort1234

Your list only include providers that you deem legit.

You don’t add rage providers.
You don’t add providers that get dt sometimes.
You make your own rules to determine if a provider is “legit” by having your own requirements for what determine a “legit” provider.
You admitted your thread wasn’t meant as a “legit & scam” provider list, but more a recommened provider list.

Because of these reasons i don’t see why your list should be used as a “legit & scam” provider list.

Either the thread name of the list should be changed or you should be more unbiased and include all providers that have a working product.

I will consider your view and add a tier system, aswell as add a section for rage cheats.

So I will list all providers for rust and the, rank them based on what they offer to the end user. Safety, features, price etc

I still will have a scam section as it’s import people know who are clear and blatant scammers.

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by Relentless

I will consider your view and add a tier system, aswell as add a section for rage cheats.

So I will list all providers for rust and the, rank them based on what they offer to the end user. Safety, features, price etc

I still will have a scam section as it’s import people know who are clear and blatant scammers.

Good that only took you a couple of months to do.

Every list that isn't unbiased and/or doesn't include all providers and/or make their own requirements for being on the list, shouldn’t be allowed to be posted.

PS: Make sure the tier system is unbiased and not off peoples "opinions" but instead, product publicity time and detection known detection rate.

Also you should remove all of your own products or put them in the lowest tier to be unbiased.

[sietseiscool1]

Jeez these people always whining about relentless XD. I think the list is fine and fair. Are there more providers ? Suree. Should he add every provider ? Nooo…. Anybody who is saying clutch firmware should be on is delusional. They litterly got detected 2/3 timea on eac and be. The list is fine as it is

[Player1Ready]

Originally Posted by sietseiscool1

Jeez these people always whining about relentless XD. I think the list is fine and fair. Are there more providers ? Suree. Should he add every provider ? Nooo…. Anybody who is saying clutch firmware should be on is delusional. They litterly got detected 2/3 timea on eac and be. The list is fine as it is

Unfortunate you’re totally disregarding the issue of matter.

[sietseiscool1]

Originally Posted by Player1Ready

Unfortunate you’re totally disregarding the issue of matter.

Dont see an issue with the list 😴😴

[Clarkina]

There's never going to be a list or method everyone can agree on for making a list of legit and scam providers. The list is based on the creators experiences, if you'd like there is nothing stopping you from making you're own list. There's a reason in the title it literally says "UNOFFICIAL".

[blueberry_one]

I dont think every single cheat should be added, its not possible to rank a new cheat that just appeared on this forum without having any history or customer reviews?

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by blueberry_one

I dont think every single cheat should be added, its not possible to rank a new cheat that just appeared on this forum without having any history or customer reviews?

EXACTLY, this is my issue, i cant just add a p2c that popped up out of no where, it could be a rat, scam etc etc

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by Clarkina

There's never going to be a list or method everyone can agree on for making a list of legit and scam providers. The list is based on the creators experiences, if you'd like there is nothing stopping you from making you're own list. There's a reason in the title it literally says "UNOFFICIAL".

Problem is that people see these list's and are trusting them, then if you don't provide all providers on the list, that have a working product, you are making it biased and also indirectly saying providers that aren't on the list isn't trustworthy and/or a scam.

There should only be one list, and moderators have before deleted other list's because there already was one that was seen as up to date.

The method of making the list should be 100% unbiased, you can still provide valuable information in the list that makes the decision for the end user easier to choose the right product for them, without excluding some providers that offer a product meant to be used to rage with or a cheap product that get detected sometimes.

Originally Posted by blueberry_one

I dont think every single cheat should be added, its not possible to rank a new cheat that just appeared on this forum without having any history or customer reviews?

That's why there should be "tiers" ranking providers on how long they have had a working product.

That was people can choose to trust a new product or choose a product that have been working for years without having a biased list.

Originally Posted by Relentless

EXACTLY, this is my issue, i cant just add a p2c that popped up out of no where, it could be a rat, scam etc etc

That is not what you have been doing tho, you have been excluding known providers and providers that focus on rage, and openly admitted to it.

Originally Posted by sietseiscool1

Jeez these people always whining about relentless XD. I think the list is fine and fair. Are there more providers ? Suree. Should he add every provider ? Nooo…. Anybody who is saying clutch firmware should be on is delusional. They litterly got detected 2/3 timea on eac and be. The list is fine as it is

Read the whole thread again. These are not the issues, the issue is that the list is totally biased with the OP's own requirements on how to get onto the list, even tho a provider can be legit and not furfill the requirements needed to be on the list.

And i don't think anyone got anything against Relentless here, it's simply not okay to exclude providers in the way he does on a list that influence to many people on this forum.

[sietseiscool1]

there is no list that can be unbiased without people getting banned/scammed.

relentless put up trusted providers. if your cheat is out 3 months and not detected yet. you are on the right way but i would still not wanna see that on a trusted list.
i think his list is fine as it is