[UNOFFICIAL] List Of Legit and Scam Providers List

[lort1234]

Edit: Link for ss:

This is some of the public opinions/experiences about EvilCheats/EC that i have been able to QUICKLY find JUST by searching for "evilcheat & ec" in only 8 different discords.

• This also isn't including anyone's opinions that doesn't want to have it shared publicly, all information is found public places.
• All information is gathered places that other people would easily be able to search them self and verify. (I also have video recordings of it all, if some of it gets deleted or a staff member wanna verify any of it)
• Information isn't including any of the recent incidents of unsatisfied customers, these incidents have already been shared and talked about publicly.

I have found more but i am not gonna include all, as some of the opinions about it, is related to their "old" products or opinions from people that do not wanna share their opinions/experiences to the public.

These opinions/experiences are SOME of the reasons why i decided to put EvilCheats/EC in tier 3.

This is the last time i will be talking about this topic with EvilCheats/EC, all other posts regarding this topic will be taken up with the staff team of Elitepvpers, i am not gonna spend anymore time dealing/talking about this, at this current time.

If anyone else talk about this anymore i will personally report the posts and contact the staff team, i am TIRED of this drama, and it isn't how this thread is supposed to be and it isn't how i am supposed to deal with things related to this thread.

[!nvictus-Load]

Originally Posted by lort1234

Edit: Link for ss:

This is some of the public opinions/experiences about EvilCheats/EC that i have been able to QUICKLY find JUST by searching for "evilcheat & ec" in only 8 different discords.

• This also isn't including anyone's opinions that doesn't want to have it shared publicly, all information is found public places.
• All information is gathered places that other people would easily be able to search them self and verify. (I also have video recordings of it all, if some of it gets deleted or a staff member wanna verify any of it)
• Information isn't including any of the recent incidents of unsatisfied customers, these incidents have already been shared and talked about publicly.

I have found more but i am not gonna include all, as some of the opinions about it, is related to their "old" products or opinions from people that do not wanna share their opinions/experiences to the public.

These opinions/experiences are SOME of the reasons why i decided to put EvilCheats/EC in tier 3.

This is the last time i will be talking about this topic with EvilCheats/EC, all other posts regarding this topic will be taken up with the staff team of Elitepvpers, i am not gonna spend anymore time dealing/talking about this, at this current time.

If anyone else talk about this anymore i will personally report the posts and contact the staff team, i am TIRED of this drama, and it isn't how this thread is supposed to be and it isn't how i am supposed to deal with things related to this thread.

Your list is fundamentally flawed, and this post only further highlights its lack of credibility, at least for private-cheats.

No Verification of Authenticity

Our cheat is private, and there is absolutely no way for you to confirm that any of the individuals you have quoted have actually used our product. Public opinions from unrelated Discord servers hold no weight when evaluating a private cheat. These sources are neither credible nor verifiable for assessing the quality of our cheat.

Fair Treatment and Refunds

For users who violated the rules and were subsequently banned, refunds were issued. We have always maintained transparency and fairness in this regard, which is something you are conveniently ignoring in your evaluation. Neither did we ever deny issues, in fact we let you into the Discord to have a full perspective on it. I'm saying that you are rating us on the past while you rate other on their current state.

Irrelevant and Selective Sources

The messages you are relying on to rate EvilCheats are from public Discord channels. You had access to our private Discord, where you could have directly engaged with our active community and gathered a more accurate perspective. Instead, you chose to base your evaluation on unverified public sources, which severely undermines the validity of your claims.

If I wanted to, I could easily gather the exact opposite opinions from public Discors to counter yours. Public sources will always include a mix of perspectives, and cherry-picking negative ones doesnt present an accurate or fair picture of the service, especially considering that our service is private and a community in itself where no-one is allowed to talk outsiders. - I invited you to make a fair voting from that and you gather information from public discord (?)

Intent to Suppress Criticism

Your suggestion to report posts to Elitepvpers staff because you are "tired of the drama" reads more like an attempt to suppress differing viewpoints. Its clear you are uncomfortable with others challenging the credibility of your list, but hiding valid criticism does nothing to improve it.

I suggest engaging directly with the communities of the services you review and verifying your sources. However, if your goal is to protect your list from scrutiny, reporting dissenting posts only reflects poorly on your objectivity. Whether or not Elitepvpers staff even cares about your list is another matter entirely.

It's time to hold yourself to a higher standard if you want to be taken seriously.

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Regarding your awesome research:
fed - banned, disrespectful
_tife - banned, mututal agreement, private reasons
alexpsp00 - ddos'd one of our retired moderators panel for blood sugar level pump checks - because he pointed out that the BTCPay port was publicly accessible
astro - aint even gonna comment on that
frostbite - never talked to him, calls me unreliable because I went on holidays for a decent amount of time prior to the encryption update that happend during this holiday, except that is meant to be sarcastic
destackent - never talked to this guy in my life, information provided is wrong
aizyy - calling me money hungry as a reseller with 50% cuts? I refund people even when I dont have to, dont need to prove you wrong here, you did that yourself by including him.

I have to much todo to go any further on the images, maybe later when I'm home.

[alexpsp00]

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

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Instead of throwing shade at this list which has more effort put into it then ever before why don't you try to rebuild your brand and reputation.

All the complaints have been with the cheat itself, support and downtimes.
Maybe outsource/partner out the actual cheat development and get some new management in place, this way you can focus your full time on the actual platform itself to avoid downtimes.

I might also suggest to stop using AI in these responses.

[astroware]

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

I'm sorry to hear that you feel this way, as it was never my intention to drag anyone into this discussion other than the maintainer of this list.

I'm glad to see that your ranking reflects your current performance and its great that your operating well (i did not expect anything else). My concern is that my ranking seems to still be based on my performance from July and September, despite significant improvements since then. Like you, we added features gradually while maintaining core functionality, and we now update within 2 hours or fully automatically.

The only reason I pointed out issues with other providers was to highlight that similar challenges were handled similarly across the board, yet my ranking doesnt reflect our current state. I hope this clarifies my intention and avoids future misunderstanding.

whole lotta bs,I called you on your bs on epvp - lort joined ur dc to check for himself, while doing so he got messages of other ppl that EC is "unacceptable trash", then u banned him - u made ur bed now u gotta sleep in it, its not the customer's fault - you are the developer you are to blame get that in your head

[!nvictus-Load]

Originally Posted by astroware

whole lotta bs,I called you on your bs on epvp - lort joined ur dc to check for himself, while doing so he got messages of other ppl that EC is "unacceptable trash", then u banned him - u made ur bed now u gotta sleep in it, its not the customer's fault - you are the developer you are to blame get that in your head

I have yet to see any actual proof to support this claim. According to him, everything he has gathered has already been posted in this thread. However, the information he shared can easily be discredited simply by reviewing the evidence I have provided.

The facts speak for themselves. Im always open to constructive and evidence-based discussions, but baseless accusations dont add value to this.

Have a wonderful day Astro. :*

[ida1337]

Originally Posted by alexpsp00

Instead of throwing shade at this list which has more effort put into it then ever before why don't you try to rebuild your brand and reputation.

All the complaints have been with the cheat itself, support and downtimes.
Maybe outsource/partner out the actual cheat development and get some new management in place, this way you can focus your full time on the actual platform itself to avoid downtimes.

I might also suggest to stop using AI in these responses.

The list is straight up full of people who were banned for not following with the yearly plan or other problems. There is a reason this product has many active users who pay the price monthly. Instead of telling other developers who know INFINITELY more about anti-cheats and development how to manage their cheat, you should work on your own brand, not the other way around like you suggested. Maybe like you suggested, you need a partner who can help you with the actual bypass, you could hire the gif guy to help you so you arent down all year around.

[astroware]

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

I have yet to see any actual proof to support this claim. According to him, everything he has gathered has already been posted in this thread. However, the information he shared can easily be discredited simply by reviewing the evidence I have provided.

The facts speak for themselves. Im always open to constructive and evidence-based discussions, but baseless accusations dont add value to this.

Have a wonderful day Astro. :*

Okay so we have established that your product sucks. Now you sit here and are listing some kind of random BS - "Fairness and Refunds" - lets get into that.



You forced an ex-customer of yours to sign an NDA to give him a partial refund... the very same NDA that prohibits him from "speaking bad" about evilcheats (even if its the truth.....) and or you. Idk any other cheat on the market has to go to such extreme measures to make people stfu.

The way I see it, you give people refunds, not because of you are an amazing human being, but rather as you stated in your discord multiple times, that your stripe/payment processor is going to "ban" you for chargebacks.

Also, Mr Fairness of Refunds, why don't you refund people who bought through crypto? Oh yea... they can't chargeback...

Fact is, EC is the only cheat that I have ever heard of that's forcing people to sign NDA's to give them their money back.

- I wish you a wonderful day as well my german gambling addict

[ida1337]

Originally Posted by astroware

Okay so we have established that your product sucks. Now you sit here and are listing some kind of random BS - "Fairness and Refunds" - lets get into that.



You forced an ex-customer of yours to sign an NDA to give him a partial refund... the very same NDA that prohibits him from "speaking bad" about evilcheats (even if its the truth.....) and or you. Idk any other cheat on the market has to go to such extreme measures to make people stfu.

The way I see it, you give people refunds, not because of you are an amazing human being, but rather as you stated in your discord multiple times, that your stripe/payment processor is going to "ban" you for chargebacks.

Also, Mr Fairness of Refunds, why don't you refund people who bought through crypto? Oh yea... they can't chargeback...

Fact is, EC is the only cheat that I have ever heard of that's forcing people to sign NDA's to give them their money back.

- I wish you a wonderful day as well my german gambling addict

I think saying a product is a straight up scam everywhere because of your experience is not really the same as 'speaking bad even if its the truth.' and it is very much damaging a persons reputation with DISinformation. but you with your 26k messages in the ec discord, lying about your age and at times being despised by the group you played with from EC, can keep taking things out of context as always and say 'Im just joking' to get out of any real confrontation.

[Baron7777]

Let’s be honest, there’s not much to criticize about the cheat itself because it’s one of the most undetected and best performing cheats out there. Sure, it might be missing a few features, but those are literally being added as we speak. Your issue seems to be with the developer, but we’re here to buy and use the product, not to build a friendship.

You messed up and got kicked out, and now you’re upset, trying to make EC look bad, but deep down, you know the truth.

[Anon91912]

Is no one going to talk about the fact that he decided to start working on another cheat bypass for EFT while his current cheat was barely functional—and then went on holiday not long after?

On top of that, a few months ago, he tried to appease users with a giveaway instead of proper compensation, which was already a ridiculous move. It came off as extremely money-hungry, which, fair enough, is a business choice. But as far as I know, that giveaway still hasn’t happened, months after he promised it.

He also seems completely unbothered about offering minimal features for months, justifying it by saying he doesn’t “promote” the features. But come on—anyone looking at a cheat evaluates it based on two things: the features and the bypass/uptime. Sure, recent buyers probably should’ve known better, but what about the loyal members who’ve stuck around? They’re understandably frustrated because of the constant lies—claiming things will improve, promising this or that—and never following through.

The compensation system is an absolute joke, too. It’s clear he has no respect for the community and only cares about himself.

[astroware]

Originally Posted by Anon91912

Is no one going to talk about the fact that he decided to start working on another cheat bypass for EFT while his current cheat was barely functional—and then went on holiday not long after?

On top of that, a few months ago, he tried to appease users with a giveaway instead of proper compensation, which was already a ridiculous move. It came off as extremely money-hungry, which, fair enough, is a business choice. But as far as I know, that giveaway still hasn’t happened, months after he promised it.

He also seems completely unbothered about offering minimal features for months, justifying it by saying he doesn’t “promote” the features. But come on—anyone looking at a cheat evaluates it based on two things: the features and the bypass/uptime. Sure, recent buyers probably should’ve known better, but what about the loyal members who’ve stuck around? They’re understandably frustrated because of the constant lies—claiming things will improve, promising this or that—and never following through.

The compensation system is an absolute joke, too. It’s clear he has no respect for the community and only cares about himself.

man's gotta pay for his debt somehow

[!nvictus-Load]

Originally Posted by Anon91912

Is no one going to talk about the fact that he decided to start working on another cheat bypass for EFT while his current cheat was barely functional—and then went on holiday not long after?

On top of that, a few months ago, he tried to appease users with a giveaway instead of proper compensation, which was already a ridiculous move. It came off as extremely money-hungry, which, fair enough, is a business choice. But as far as I know, that giveaway still hasn’t happened, months after he promised it.

He also seems completely unbothered about offering minimal features for months, justifying it by saying he doesn’t “promote” the features. But come on—anyone looking at a cheat evaluates it based on two things: the features and the bypass/uptime. Sure, recent buyers probably should’ve known better, but what about the loyal members who’ve stuck around? They’re understandably frustrated because of the constant lies—claiming things will improve, promising this or that—and never following through.

The compensation system is an absolute joke, too. It’s clear he has no respect for the community and only cares about himself.

Please get your facts straight, as your story doesn’t align with reality. It was clearly communicated in both this thread and our Discord that the cheat stopped working while I was on holiday. This is now being used as an argument against me, but the fact remains that the cheat was functioning perfectly fine until the hashing/encryption of IL2CPP metadata caused isssues.

As for the giveaway and compensation, giving users the option to either participate in a giveaway or receive compensation doesnt contradict any promises. It simply offers users a choice, empowering them to decide what they prefer. There is nothing "money-hungry" about providing options. It is a way to engage the community fairly.

Regarding features, we have focused on core functionality while building a new SDK to support future updates. This has been communicated within the community. Customers have been informed about our priorities and the reasons behind them.

Lastly, the compensation system is undergoing a complete overhaul to make it simpler and more efficient moving forward. This, also has been adressed openly within our community.

Constructive feedback is always welcome, but baseless accusations and misrepresentations only harm the discussion.

[jon5820]

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

Lifetime users? We’ve never offered lifetime subscriptions to the public.

Admittedly, we got a bit lax with updating the cheat's status in 2022 after the first few banwaves. However, we refunded anyone who requested it and made the ban statistics available on the website, displayed directly beneath the status, as well as in the Discord, where they were updated every 30 minutes by a bot. After detection issues in 2022, things started going downhill, so we shut down the public offering either late 2022 or early 2023, transitioning exclusively to a private provider. If money was my primary motivation, I’d still be selling a public cheat today. Instead, I prioritized creating a safer experience for users, even at the cost of significantly reduced revenue for myself.

What is the point of arguing with someone who dances around the truth like a fucking ballerina? You had dozens of lifetime users who did not get to continue using your “new” cheat with their existing subscription. How those lifetime users came to be is irrelevant, but I can tell you right now, they didn’t get it for free - That is fact, and if you want to claim otherwise, I’m sure a lot of them are willing to come forward to write about it. There is a reason most providers don’t sell lifetime (whether it be privately, or publicly), and that’s because if someone buys it and you decide to make a new project, which you did, and deprive them of what they paid for, they will call you an exit scammer, which you are a textbook example of. If what I’m saying is untrue, why wouldn’t you have just said “There were no lifetime users who didn’t maintain their lifetime subscriptions when EvilCheats changed bypasses” as a response to my first message? It’s because it would be the most blatant lie in this conversation so far.

[!nvictus-Load]

Originally Posted by jon5820

What is the point of arguing with someone who dances around the truth like a ******* ballerina? You had dozens of lifetime users who did not get to continue using your “new” cheat with their existing subscription. How those lifetime users came to be is irrelevant, but I can tell you right now, they didn’t get it for free - That is fact, and if you want to claim otherwise, I’m sure a lot of them are willing to come forward to write about it. There is a reason most providers don’t sell lifetime (whether it be privately, or publicly), and that’s because if someone buys it and you decide to make a new project, which you did, and deprive them of what they paid for, they will call you an exit scammer, which you are a textbook example of. If what I’m saying is untrue, why wouldn’t you have just said “There were no lifetime users who didn’t maintain their lifetime subscriptions when EvilCheats changed bypasses” as a response to my first message? It’s because it would be the most blatant lie in this conversation so far.

You might actually be onto something here. Maybe, finally, someone will provide some clear evidence and proof. Im genuinely waiting for you to bring forward every single member who bought lifetime that I didnt move from the old private to the new one (i assume this is about private since the public is discontinued and I would have no chance to move them to anything). Feel free to have them DM me or post here directly. Just make sure they come with actual proof that they had lifetime access. I will be waiting. 😊

[Anon91912]

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

Please get your facts straight, as your story doesn’t align with reality. It was clearly communicated in both this thread and our Discord that the cheat stopped working while I was on holiday. This is now being used as an argument against me, but the fact remains that the cheat was functioning perfectly fine until the hashing/encryption of IL2CPP metadata caused isssues.

As for the giveaway and compensation, giving users the option to either participate in a giveaway or receive compensation doesnt contradict any promises. It simply offers users a choice, empowering them to decide what they prefer. There is nothing "money-hungry" about providing options. It is a way to engage the community fairly.

Regarding features, we have focused on core functionality while building a new SDK to support future updates. This has been communicated within the community. Customers have been informed about our priorities and the reasons behind them.

Lastly, the compensation system is undergoing a complete overhaul to make it simpler and more efficient moving forward. This, also has been adressed openly within our community.

Constructive feedback is always welcome, but baseless accusations and misrepresentations only harm the discussion.

Thats not completely true... when it first broke yeah i agree you was either already away or had it planned but you went on a holiday alone once even when the people had little to no features/ a single rust update broke the cheat and considerring that you still decide to go f0r a holiday i think it was to austria? i cant completely remember... Honestly i think you have done great over the years but these past few months imo is unacceptable. You are making people pay full price for a limited cheat. And people are stuck with a cheat for a year and they can not say anything without you offering a ban including a refund or they have to stick to a limited cheat. the only reason most people go silent is because safety wise you are by far the best product. But you never ever try satisfy your customers in anyway you have done little to no progress over the past few months. But yeah as i said you have people hostage in a contract which little people wanna break but its unfair as its a limited cheat.