Metin2 p-server discords have a loophole (example: Aeldra)

[cyphersKitten]

Originally Posted by MaxChri

It's pretty easy to takeodown a discord server:



But keep in mind:


Anyway big companies will follow dmca reports straight to avoid fines.

If aeldra complains about the takedown, the server should be reactivated unless it's a real dmca e.g from Gameforge.

Don't forget that these people can pretend to be x company, atleast on discord, since they don't ask for much information for the people who fill a DMCA takedown on discord.

In other words:
It's easy to fill a DMCA takedown,
but it's hard for someone to fill a counterclaim. Since they need provide much more.

And even if these people fill false DMCA takedowns, discord just won't care.
If you read about this stuff on internet, you see that noone was sued for it.

[.DailyAwake]

Irgendwie schafft es Aeldra trotz nicht vorhandener Werbung auf epvp hier gut die PR Trommel anzukurbeln.

[Metin2.Zephyr]

Originally Posted by cypher

I know Metin2 for 15 years now. Let's wait another 5-10 years. When the game has < 10k players globally, then we can talk openly about exploits and stuff. But the Aeldra development team knows very well, that there was a dupe bug. I'm not sure whether they know how it exactly works, but they managed to fix it after a few failed hot-fixes. ^^

And when it comes to selling ingame stuff for real currency: ask all the resellers how they do it. There are a few ways and you can't track all trading activity, especially not on a well-crowded server.

Why shouldnt you talk about exploits right now? Doesnt really matter when you dont play the game?

Sure they know that there was a dupe bug, how wouldnt they know if all people send this video around?

There are just not much ways to trade around stuff which you want to sell for real money. Its just trading, selling via guildstorage or give a way full accounts and most ways will lead into a ban if its highly suspicious.
Since every **** can be logged you wont sell accounts that easily and if you look up the most traders server list some dont have aeldra in their list.

[cypher]

Originally Posted by Metin2.Zephyr

Why shouldnt you talk about exploits right now? Doesnt really matter when you dont play the game?

Sure they know that there was a dupe bug, how wouldnt they know if all people send this video around?

I'm not talking about . But let's leave it for now. The thread is not about that anyway, but it's fact, that the server is full of duped items, yang and more.. Sometimes it's sufficient to track the yang price in our black market over a long period of time to detect, that a server has a severe exploit. You can easily detect this by the rate of Yang / €. ^^

Originally Posted by Cocomelonx3

Don't forget that these people can pretend to be x company, atleast on discord, since they don't ask for much information for the people who fill a DMCA takedown on discord.

In other words:
It's easy to fill a DMCA takedown,
but it's hard for someone to fill a counterclaim. Since they need provide much more.

And even if these people fill false DMCA takedowns, discord just won't care.
If you read about this stuff on internet, you see that noone was sued for it.

Very often the DMCA claim doesn't even has to be justified. It's such a stupid regulation... like almost all state regulations.

[cyphersKitten]

Originally Posted by cypher

I'm not talking about . But let's leave it for now. The thread is not about that anyway, but it's fact, that the server is full of duped items, yang and more.. Sometimes it's sufficient to track the yang price in our black market over a long period of time to detect, that a server has a severe exploit. You can easily detect this by the rate of Yang / €. ^^


Very often the DMCA claim doesn't even has to be justified. It's such a stupid regulation... like almost all state regulations.

I had to restart my router, because Aeldra blacklisted one of my IPs and it's not like I care, I just tought they wouldn't do that.

Okay so, Aeldra already made another discord server.
Lets see if it will be taken down again,
because they are still not safe from DMCA takedowns.

And you are right with this "It's such a stupid regulation... like almost all state regulations." ...

because there is even more ...

but I don't expect anything what humans created or their laws

[cream610]

I don't understand what's your mission, just because your friend got caught, you don't have to start annoy other people. It's your friend's own fault if he doesn't protect himself enough or even drags his real-life into it

btw. to lock a discord server is not a skill, there is a trick you can use to get any server locked without dmca.

but if an appeal is filed, the servers will be unlocked. Aeldra will not go offline, so just waste your time

[xTryx]

das was du hier machst verbessert nicht die Situation das dein Kollege erwischt wurde sondern macht es nur noch schlimmer.
jeder der einen P Server betreibt sollte sich im klaren sein was er macht P Server sind nicht Legal.

nun einen DMCA gegen Aeldra zu schicken weil du es unfair findest das dein Kollege mit kleineren Servern erwischt wurde aber der größte Server immer noch online ist zeigt dein wahres Gesicht.

[cyphersKitten]

Originally Posted by xTryx

das was du hier machst verbessert nicht die Situation das dein Kollege erwischt wurde sondern macht es nur noch schlimmer.
jeder der einen P Server betreibt sollte sich im klaren sein was er macht P Server sind nicht Legal.

nun einen DMCA gegen Aeldra zu schicken weil du es unfair findest das dein Kollege mit kleineren Servern erwischt wurde aber der größte Server immer noch online ist zeigt dein wahres Gesicht.

Warum schreibst du immer "wegen meinem Kollegen"?
Ich habe das aus meiner freien Entscheidung gemacht und nicht wegen irgendwem.
Wenn es so einfach ist einen DMCA weg zu kriegen, dann will ich das sehen, denn die haben sich einfach einen neuen discord erstellt und der alte ist immer noch nicht verfügbar.

Ich bin auf meinem alt discord account auf sehr vielen p-servern von Metin2 und noch anderen, damit ich sowas mitbekomme.

Außerdem wenn es so einfach wäre einen DMCA takedown zu machen, wieso hat es niemand vorher gemacht?
Aeldra ist schon so lange online und hat sicherlich viele "hater", jedoch hat es bisher niemand gemacht von denen, wieso?

Wieso musste es ausgerechnet von einer Person gemacht werden, die nicht mal auf Aeldra spielt und niemanden dort kennt?

Aber an sich ist discord selbst Schuld, da die auch alles durch gehen lassen.
Das ist eines der Gründe wieso ich auf meinem main account auf discord nie etwas schreibe und nur Freunde adde.

[cyphersKitten]

Originally Posted by .Dean#

Wieso musste man es überhaupt machen? Lol, Mädl deine Begründungen sind Schwachsinn, es geht hier um Aufmerksamkeit mehr nicht. Das du dafür sogar solche Schritte gehst ist schon fast bewundernswert, aber ändert nix daran das es unnötig ist, genauso wie die meisten deiner Threads.

Frage: Wieso musste man es überhaupt machen?
Antwort: Um zu gucken ob es geht.

Wenn dir meine Threads nicht passen, dann musst du auch nicht reinschauen, sondern dir etwas anderes suchen. Unnötig ist es für mich nicht, aber jeder hat da seine eigene Sichtweise.

Bisher hat es ja nur Aeldra betroffen, oder?

Wenn du dich bei sowas beschweren willst, dann bei discord, da die ja dafür zuständig sind ob die claims/takedowns gewertet werden, oder nicht.

[ETF!!!?!]

Originally Posted by cypher

Can't help you if you're happy about playing on a server, where a few overpowered items were duplicated more than hundred times to be sold for real currency. Doesn't sound like fun to me when everybody has the same duplicated items. As a player I'd prefer a fair server without a dupe bug anytime. However..

You are so pathetic it's kind of surreal.
Please if you are not informed and have no knowledge about certain topic, please do not act like you do, just to spread your bias ideas and misinformation, especially not as a moderator.
You are one of the reasons why epvp nowadays is just a bunch of toxic people, it's not a good advertisement platform, it's way to negative always, barley seeing any constructive criticism anymore.

[BizepsSupportAccount]

Originally Posted by ETF!!!?!

You are so pathetic it's kind of surreal.
Please if you are not informed and have no knowledge about certain topic, please do not act like you do, just to spread your bias ideas and misinformation, especially not as a moderator.
You are one of the reasons why epvp nowadays is just a bunch of toxic people, it's not a good advertisement platform, it's way to negative always, barley seeing any constructive criticism anymore.

He isn't one of the reasons, you are.

[cypher]

Originally Posted by ETF!!!?!

You are so pathetic it's kind of surreal.
Please if you are not informed and have no knowledge about certain topic, please do not act like you do, just to spread your bias ideas and misinformation, especially not as a moderator.
You are one of the reasons why epvp nowadays is just a bunch of toxic people, it's not a good advertisement platform, it's way to negative always, barley seeing any constructive criticism anymore.

I do my best to encourage discussion on this forum. The reason why some don't like my style of moderation is because they want to see corrupt moderators, who censor criticism against some servers. But I won't delete the truth.

The following graph shows the avg. rate of Billion Yang / 10 € sold on Aeldra.


Now the rate is at ~ 30kkk / 10 €. It hasn't changed much since October.

I can tell you, that most of the Yang on the server was "created" in the first 30 days of the server's life. The same goes for itemshop stuff and overpowered high level items. While itemshop stuff and items could be detected more easily, we can't say the same for Yang. Most of the yang was already "distributed" in the market before the server administrators even detected, that something fishy was going on. They were literally asleep in the first month of Aeldra's life. Then they kept trying to fix the bug, which took them a few days. Several hotfixes were applied, that weren't effective.

Ask your masters, they know that very well. Now keep shilling this broken server.

[Ethanya]

Originally Posted by cypher

I do my best to encourage discussion on this forum. The reason why some don't like my style of moderation is because they want to see corrupt moderators, who censor criticism against some servers. But I won't delete the truth.

The following graph shows the avg. rate of Billion Yang / 10 € sold on Aeldra.


Now the rate at ~ 30kkk / 10 €. It hasn't changed much since last October.

I can tell you, that most of the Yang on the server was "created" in the first 30 days of the server's life. The same goes for itemshop stuff and overpowered high level items. While itemshop stuff and items could be detected more easily, we can't say the same for Yang. Most of the yang was already "distributed" in the market before the server administrators even detected, that something fishy was going on. They were literally asleep in the first month of Aeldra's life. Then they kept trying to fix the bug, which took them a few days. Several hotfixes were applied, that weren't effective.

Ask your masters, they know that very well. Now keep shilling this broken server.

Your graph shows absolutely nothing compared to the rate nowadays.
Also where can we see the values which you are using? They are based on what?
There was a server merge, whereby the Yang of both servers (so also the server that was already 1 year online) was merged.
In addition, at serverstart you have a peak of players, all of them are farming yang, but you don't have big investments like high upgrading costs. It's jsut normal that the graph rises very strongly.
Thus your whole graph comparison to the current rate is simply false, but you still write in the same comment that you do not make false claims. Maybe you should inform you about the servers before posting something. Just like with Anelia2, there you also put a biased post under the presentation that they should have done a beta. There was a beta on Anelia2? How can you be so biased on an advertising platform? No wonder why no one uses it anymore.

Nobody is talking about that you should censor content. It's all about your biased statements, not just related to Aeldra. If statements are true and properly proved, no one says anything, but it's about these biased statements against many servers.

[Razor7331]

Originally Posted by cypher

I do my best to encourage discussion on this forum. The reason why some don't like my style of moderation is because they want to see corrupt moderators, who censor criticism against some servers. But I won't delete the truth.

The following graph shows the avg. rate of Billion Yang / 10 € sold on Aeldra.


Now the rate is at ~ 30kkk / 10 €. It hasn't changed much since October.

I can tell you, that most of the Yang on the server was "created" in the first 30 days of the server's life. The same goes for itemshop stuff and overpowered high level items. While itemshop stuff and items could be detected more easily, we can't say the same for Yang. Most of the yang was already "distributed" in the market before the server administrators even detected, that something fishy was going on. They were literally asleep in the first month of Aeldra's life. Then they kept trying to fix the bug, which took them a few days. Several hotfixes were applied, that weren't effective.

Ask your masters, they know that very well. Now keep shilling this broken server.

Echt schade zu was dieses Forum sich entwickelt hat. Ich erinnere mich an Zeiten wo Moderatoren wirklich Qualitäten vorweisen mussten, um hier mitzuwirken. Du bist wirklich - wie in meinem Post davor- komplett delusional. Mit so einem Tunnelblick schaffst du es sicherlich noch weit. Für mich wars das mit diesem Forum, deutsche community einfach toxic af.

[NN12]

Originally Posted by cypher

I do my best to encourage discussion on this forum. The reason why some don't like my style of moderation is because they want to see corrupt moderators, who censor criticism against some servers. But I won't delete the truth.

The following graph shows the avg. rate of Billion Yang / 10 € sold on Aeldra.


Now the rate is at ~ 30kkk / 10 €. It hasn't changed much since October.

I can tell you, that most of the Yang on the server was "created" in the first 30 days of the server's life. The same goes for itemshop stuff and overpowered high level items. While itemshop stuff and items could be detected more easily, we can't say the same for Yang. Most of the yang was already "distributed" in the market before the server administrators even detected, that something fishy was going on. They were literally asleep in the first month of Aeldra's life. Then they kept trying to fix the bug, which took them a few days. Several hotfixes were applied, that weren't effective.

Ask your masters, they know that very well. Now keep shilling this broken server.

Junge, was laberst du die ganze zeit mit overpowered items, auf Aeldra hat legit jeder das selbe EQ im Endgame weil der Server so aufgebaut ist da gibt es nix gepushtes oder etwas was so schwer ist dass es nur durch Bugs entstehen kann. Frag jeden von den zisch tausenden Aeldra Spielern und jeder wird dir sagen dass kein Schwanz ingame was mitbekommen hat von irgendwelchen Dupe bugs. Du postest hier als Moderator komplett aus der Luft gegriffene Statistiken ohne jegliche Belege oder Grundlage und hetzt gegen einen Server der hier nicht mal mehr vertreten ist aus wahrscheinlich genau den Gründen die ich hier grade genannt habe. Ich weiß nicht was in der Vergangenheit passiert ist, dass du so einen großen Groll gegen Aeldra hast aber ein bisschen Professionalität kann man von nem Moderator hier erwarten.

Es gibt hier Leute die Aeldra schon lange spielen und diese versuchen dich über deine offensichtliche Unklarheit aufzuklären warum versuchst du so jämmerlich das Gegenteil zu behaupten? Das hat auch nix mit korrupt oder zensieren von Kritik zu tun wenn du hier ganz einfach nur kompletten nonsene verbreitest.