Hello everyone. I have just seen this and I have something to add up to it.
On the 6th of January, I messaged EPVP's support staff via a thread in the Complaint Area :
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This is the and this is the , both from the image above.
And this is my convesation with him, images I have also attached to the thread posted on the Complaint Area :
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After 24h, no response, but my thread had been viewed 39 times by whoever has access to the Complaint Area (the staff and me). After another 24h, the thread had been seen 50 times.
I posted this :
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At that moment, I created a second thread in the Complaint Area :
but I was simply told to keep the discussion to 1 thread. I continued with this post :
For anyone skipping lines, here is a tl;dr.
I encountered a shady person, almost got scammed. Then I proceed to warn other users about him. User posts something in one of my about user TBM-PUSHING. I create a ticket to support on the 6th of December with all the images shown above. My post has since received ~80 views and has been tagged "Gmod required". In the meanwhile, I was people about CapitalMarket and, unfortunately, this guy managed to scam at least 2 people.
The staff has yet to do anything about it. The scammer is still in the wild.
This guy is already and he is not welcome any more on epvp, thanks a lot for your patience.
And of course thanks a lot for your behavior in this case, i highly appreciate it.
Banned after 2 people had to raise awareness? I'll get in contact with the people scammed by this dude after I made that thread. They will surely be willing to know why the scams could have been avoided
Banned after 2 people had to raise awareness? I'll get in contact with the people scammed by this dude after I made that thread. They will surely be willing to know why the scams could have been avoided
Do you want a 100% real answer?
Because no one can protect people from using or non using their brains.
Itīs always easy to say "oh dear if they would have banned him earlier" ... itīs up to everybody to use our Guides and Guidelines. I would have never traded with his guy, also before he got the first - TBM.
You know why? If all guys would read our Guides a red lamp would go on... if a price it to good ... in worst case you will pay twice for something or your money is lost, however. Itīs always the same "but the other guys are so expensive" ... yeah at the end you lost everything just because the "normal" trader cost you 5% more. Thatīs not the fault of epvp, in fact on other platforms you even donīt get any support... they have their TBM system and thats all.
Next time ask someone who is more experienced in trading, like me or in fact use a Middleman who supports you. I would have told you that --> "donīt trade with him" before you made a RaT.
I did the same as you and warned people regarding other people who got banned later on, in fact the admins can only bann someone after he scammed and after there are proofs to be 100% sure that it was a scam. And of course that can take some time, i would say all Admins and GMods have a normal job and a normal real life and you can believe me your ticket is not the only one in the Complaint Area.
And one point the reasons why people trade with those guys are always the same... and the answers and questions i get regarding those cases are also the same... thatīs why i say the biggest risk in trading is the behavior of mostly unexperiences trader. In the past I had so many chances to scam people... i could write a book about the behavior of epvp member.
And in fact what did you do? You helped a scammer to push TBMs, thats the same thing I saw with i think two other scammer in the past. In this case thatīs a point where you support those guys with your TBM, thatīs a point you should think about first, before using your finger to show on other persons.
Because no one can protect people from using or non using their brains.
Itīs always easy to say "oh dear if they would have banned him earlier" ... itīs up to everybody to use our Guides and Guidelines. I would have never traded with his guy, also before he got the first - TBM.
You know why? If all guys would read our Guides a red lamp would go on... if a price it to good ... in worst case you will pay twice for something or your money is lost, however. Itīs always the same "but the other guys are so expensive" ... yeah at the end you lost everything just because the "normal" trader cost you 5% more. Thatīs not the fault of epvp, in fact on other platforms you even donīt get any support... they have their TBM system and thats all.
Next time ask someone who is more experienced in trading, like me or in fact use a Middleman who supports you. I would have told you that --> "donīt trade with him" before you made a RaT.
I did the same as you and warned people regarding other people who got banned later on, in fact the admins can only bann someone after he scammed and after there are proofs to be 100% sure that it was a scam. And of course that can take some time, i would say all Admins and GMods have a normal job and a normal real life and you can believe me your ticket is not the only one in the Complaint Area.
And one point the reasons why people trade with those guys are always the same... and the answers and questions i get regarding those cases are also the same... thatīs why i say the biggest risk in trading is the behavior of mostly unexperiences trader. In the past I had so many chances to scam people... i could write a book about the behavior of epvp member.
And in fact what did you do? You helped a scammer to push TBMs, thats the same thing I saw with i think two other scammer in the past. In this case thatīs a point where you support those guys with your TBM, thatīs a point you should think about first, before using your finger to show on other persons.
I did that in order to protect myself. See, he still had access to my pin codes and you might be able to tell from the logs he got really heated when he saw the Neutral rating on his account. I think I've done the right thing.
What surprises me is the way Support works has changed. Years ago, I would get a user banned within the same day.
I did that in order to protect myself. See, he still had access to my pin codes and you might be able to tell from the logs he got really heated when he saw the Neutral rating on his account. I think I've done the right thing.
What surprises me is the way Support works has changed. Years ago, I would get a user banned within the same day.
Sometimes it works on the same day... but in fact it depends on how much cases are postet in the complaint are. 50 Views doesnīt tells you that a person looked at your thread who has the right to bann a user, as you said it was marked as "GMod Required" so this case was marked for a GMod to take care of.
Its always right to post Scammer in the Complaint Area and of course everybody, including me, is sometimes frustrated when you made a posting and it takes to long to bann this user and he got more victims... but try to understing what work the staff is doing here all the time without getting payd for!
I did that in order to protect myself. See, he still had access to my pin codes and you might be able to tell from the logs he got really heated when he saw the Neutral rating on his account. I think I've done the right thing.
What surprises me is the way Support works has changed. Years ago, I would get a user banned within the same day.
Some Mods just read the complaints because they are bored so that is why the counter is that high - also counts ur visits, so it isn't unique if I am sure.
But sometimes just pm them and try to spam a lil so they reply, mostly Acid replies rly fast.
(And I am saying this as someone who had differences with him. xd)
It is sad tho that this guy didn't get banned and scammed 2 others.
If this happens, you are allowed to say that you got scammed in his thread, maybe that will get more attention from other users and will make people avoid that guy.
Maybe they should also scale the complaint area into priorities, which need the most and least - rated by mods.
Some Mods just read the complaints because they are bored so that is why the counter is that high - also counts ur visits, so it isn't unique if I am sure.
But sometimes just pm them and try to spam a lil so they reply, mostly Acid replies rly fast.
(And I am saying this as someone who had differences with him. xd)
It is sad tho that this guy didn't get banned and scammed 2 others.
If this happens, you are allowed to say that you got scammed in his thread, maybe that will get more attention from other users and will make people avoid that guy.
Maybe they should also scale the complaint area into priorities, which need the most and least - rated by mods.
Is was scaled, but I needed a Gmod to review the thread. And well, you know how that went...
Staff ignored my thread, 2 people got scammed
and I have something to add up to it.
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