darkorbit new anti bot system

[killer3g]

Originally Posted by Diаmonds

You guys gotta realize that winning money isn't enough.

And bots are detectable, given enough time or enough work.
They don't have to detect them by adding "obvious" stuff like invisible boxes, but they know what you page you visited and every time you clicked on the spacemap.

They could analyze the order in which you preform tasks. For example, Palavia always places the windows on the screen in the same order every time it starts, as far as I remember (Idk the exact order, but it could be group -> ship -> user -> ...).
From this data, they can extract a group of players that show a common behavior.

Then they could save the pages you visit. For example, most of the bots that offer the option to click EEs post some data to the page that BP uses to query stuff from their server (flashinput/galaxygates.php or something close to that, can't remember the name right now), without even visiting the actual /indexInternal.es?action=internalGalaxyGates page.
This is another behavior that they could record and analyse.

Those examples are trivial for them to implement, and may not be the best, but I used them for the example. They are also trivial to bypass, but to bypass them, you need to know about them.
Remember when they implemented the hash checks? Nobody knew, everybody kept replacing .swf files, and we got banned.

did they emplemented this already ? i shot some GG's on candybot, am i going to get banned ?

[M3mphizzt]

we allreay the the function that exits frezzed boxes if the box can't collected fly away per minimap ^^

[Diаmonds]

Originally Posted by fmdragos

To bad for him
And maybe i like to open the windows in the same order .. that don't make a bot ! (A random can be put there )

They will never ban pixelbots, you kno why ? Look at macro recorders no ban reported !

You don't understand.
It has nothing to do with YOU placing the windows in any order, but with ALL the people that use the same bot placing them in the SAME EXACT order.

This uses statistics to determine whether a player is likely to be a bot or not.

If your behavior is IDENTICAL to a LOT of players, you're very likely to be controlled by the same thing. This doesn't apply to stupid things everyone does, like clicking on the minimap to move, but to more discreet actions such as pathing.

For example, when it gets killed and wants to go back to 1-5, CandyBot will ALWAYS repair in 1-8, fly to 1-7 and then 1-5. A player might go through 1-6, sometimes.

This, again, is only an example, and might not be the best, but I'm trying to explain my thoughts using examples because you don't seem to understand that this method, even if it doesn't allow for 100% success in detection of bots is still a viable method.

As a conclusion, BOTS ARE DETECTABLE. Because you're not banned yet doesn't mean that your bot is undetectable. It only means that BP didn't spend time to create alternatives to the very basic invisible boxes and hash checks.
BP might not detect pixel bots yet, but they could, in theory.

A bit of googling got me this very nice article that describes almost word for word what I've been trying to tell you, you should consider reading it.

did they emplemented this already ? i shot some GG's on candybot, am i going to get banned ?

There's no way to know if they did. But using a tool to click GGs isn't a crime, so I guess that you'll not get banned for that anyways. I just needed an example.

[Dr.Toni]

Originally Posted by fmdragos

You are wrong !!!

If you think so... It's your own fault.

Originally Posted by Diаmonds

You guys gotta realize that winning money isn't enough.

And bots are detectable, given enough time or enough work.
They don't have to detect them by adding "obvious" stuff like invisible boxes, but they know what you page you visited and every time you clicked on the spacemap.

They could analyze the order in which you preform tasks. For example, Palavia always places the windows on the screen in the same order every time it starts, as far as I remember (Idk the exact order, but it could be group -> ship -> user -> ...).
From this data, they can extract a group of players that show a common behavior.

Then they could save the pages you visit. For example, most of the bots that offer the option to click EEs post some data to the page that BP uses to query stuff from their server (flashinput/galaxygates.php or something close to that, can't remember the name right now), without even visiting the actual /indexInternal.es?action=internalGalaxyGates page.
This is another behavior that they could record and analyse.

Those examples are trivial for them to implement, and may not be the best, but I used them for the example. They are also trivial to bypass, but to bypass them, you need to know about them.
Remember when they implemented the hash checks? Nobody knew, everybody kept replacing .swf files, and we got banned.

Finally one person who understands me.

[bestbots_support]

Originally Posted by Diаmonds

It has nothing to do with YOU placing the windows in any order, but with ALL the people that use the same bot placing them in the SAME EXACT order.

This uses statistics to determine whether a player is likely to be a bot or not.

.... This doesn't apply to stupid things everyone does, like clicking on the minimap to move, but to more discreet actions such as pathing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigpoint_Games
Now, do you know the difference from a company to a small business ?
Even so, still no matters.

Let`s say I have used on a different account palavia long time ago, 1 year.. that account I sold it.
Now I have another account, it is already UFE, I dont have any reason to bot anymore, BUT I get used to palavia`s configuration order. I play so well if I have in my right the ship, minimap then the outfit tab.

How can BP ban me or add me to "blacklist" ? because I choose to play like that?

What if I do that on purpose only to get some money from BP after I get them in court..

Think before write, a good pixel bot and randomized will be never get caught.

and BTW, palavia dont use moving on minimap (if you choose)

[brouhaha]

we can just go back to the theory of banning clean users if bugpoint tries to use simple ways to detect tasks and stuff like that
because really, there are different maps on the game and ever the minimap can be placed in different places, also while moving, the bot miss the clicked spot by some pixels which explains why it sometimes miss the box and collect it in the second try,
really i know some players who make 30K uridium/day circling kristallons by themselves, so basically they can be detected as bot users and banned, which will affect bugpoint's reputation.
actually pixelbots doesnt affect the game balance in the way packet bots used to, it also can lead players to buy x2 and premium sometimes, I'm sure that if bigpoint tries to bann them, the game will die in 3 months or so,
like seriously, pixelbots are what keeps the game alive nowadays, and bugpoint team must be aware of that lol

[Viceroy-]

While I was reading the whole thread I got so many ideas to help bugpoint develop antibot system muhahahaha

[joepie1215]

Originally Posted by KaloianBG

While I was reading the whole thread I got so many ideas to help bugpoint develop antibot system muhahahaha

yeah
lemme know how that turns out for ya
"newsflash bigpoint hired forum newbie to solve bot problems"

[Peshо]

Originally Posted by joepie1215

yeah
lemme know how that turns out for ya
"newsflash bigpoint hired forum newbie to solve bot problems"

that's what a good company would do. and that's what good companies do. but not bp. :d

[fmdragos]

Originally Posted by Dr.Toni.

If you think so... It's your own fault.



Finally one person who understands me.

Indirect detection, resulting no ban !

Originally Posted by bestbots_support

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigpoint_Games
Now, do you know the difference from a company to a small business ?
Even so, still no matters.

Let`s say I have used on a different account palavia long time ago, 1 year.. that account I sold it.
Now I have another account, it is already UFE, I dont have any reason to bot anymore, BUT I get used to palavia`s configuration order. I play so well if I have in my right the ship, minimap then the outfit tab.

How can BP ban me or add me to "blacklist" ? because I choose to play like that?

What if I do that on purpose only to get some money from BP after I get them in court..

Think before write, a good pixel bot and randomized will be never get caught.

and BTW, palavia dont use moving on minimap (if you choose)

You are right, only indirect detection.

[profialla1]

I dont think so, i think that you just getting reported.

[fmdragos]

Originally Posted by KaloianBG

While I was reading the whole thread I got so many ideas to help bugpoint develop antibot system muhahahaha

Did you find a way to get the next random generated number from a pc you don't have access ?
If yes, i will use random.org how do you will know the next random number ?

It is impossible to detect a "random" pixelbot !

[Viceroy-]

Nothing is impossible.
If you BP has already decompiled your bot and they know your random ratio, and then your bot clicks on minimap at "random" time.. for example 10-50ms and NEVER more or less after 2 thousand clicks in this 10-50ms BP will be sure that you are a botter.

Just an example.

[～Demetrio～]

Originally Posted by Diаmonds

For example, when it gets killed and wants to go back to 1-5, CandyBot will ALWAYS repair in 1-8, fly to 1-7 and then 1-5. A player might go through 1-6, sometimes.

Over my 4 years playing i always have made this roam to change the map.
you have not many options to change your map , BP just can't implement a new system based at behavior because a lot of users [legitims] has pixelbot behavior too.

So i know the only think that bp could implement to catch only Background bots and in nanobot this is already bypassed.
Atm , the only anti-bot system is bassed at Click intervals and x,y Cords , played hours per day , Breaks . blah blah blah.
i really suggest to decompile Darkorbit swf the people that doesn't know bigpoint system and now you will see.

Originally Posted by KaloianBG

Nothing is impossible.
If you BP has already decompiled your bot and they know your random ratio, and then your bot clicks on minimap at "random" time.. for example 10-50ms and NEVER more or less after 2 thousand clicks in this 10-50ms BP will be sure that you are a botter.

Just an example.

pffff , btw -5,5 X,Y Cords is not possible , but anyway if BP has done that just change the cords every week

[Diаmonds]

Originally Posted by bestbots_support

 Spoiler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigpoint_Games
Now, do you know the difference from a company to a small business ?
Even so, still no matters.

Let`s say I have used on a different account palavia long time ago, 1 year.. that account I sold it.
Now I have another account, it is already UFE, I dont have any reason to bot anymore, BUT I get used to palavia`s configuration order. I play so well if I have in my right the ship, minimap then the outfit tab.

How can BP ban me or add me to "blacklist" ? because I choose to play like that?

What if I do that on purpose only to get some money from BP after I get them in court..

Think before write, a good pixel bot and randomized will be never get caught.

and BTW, palavia dont use moving on minimap (if you choose)

You didn't understand what I wanted you to understand.

Originally Posted by fmdragos

 Spoiler

Indirect detection, resulting no ban !



You are right, only indirect detection.

Indirect detection, in some case, can be enough. To add your account to a watched-accounts list and then use some safer methods, at least.

Originally Posted by ～Demetrio～

 Spoiler

Over my 4 years playing i always have made this roam to change the map.
you have not many options to change your map , BP just can't implement a new system based at behavior because a lot of users [legitims] has pixelbot behavior too.

So i know the only think that bp could implement to catch only Background bots and in nanobot this is already bypassed.
Atm , the only anti-bot system is bassed at Click intervals and x,y Cords , played hours per day , Breaks . blah blah blah.
i really suggest to decompile Darkorbit swf the people that doesn't know bigpoint system and now you will see.



pffff , btw -5,5 X,Y Cords is not possible , but anyway if BP has done that just change the cords every week

Come on. Users act like pixelbots or pixelbots (try) to act like users? And nothing I spoke about is located in the main.swf, you'd need the server side code.

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Anyways. Guys. Read this paper :
You'll understand what I'm speaking about. And if it's too long for you to read right now, just read the intro and the conclusion. They had HUGE success rate in detecting bot users only using those indirects methods I talked about.