Gems Assigned by Timing?

dorando · 04/25/2006, 17:01

Ok, heres food for thought.

"Gems are determined by time of day"

I present this idea based on the fact that i had 2 chars in independent mines mining and both got a gem at the exact same time (to the minute anyway) My flatmate also was mining in another mine and said he got one too when i whispered him minutes later.

The Gems where all normal and for 3 players all to get gems at the same time i feel is a bit co-incidental.

This idea could be plausable as say at 45min past the hour a normal gem is assigned to anyone in the mine reguardless of position, how long they have mined etc.

This would regulate the amount of gems that a server produces and would be easier and give greater control within the game than a random generator would.

Now since we have all debated gem spots and even long ago talked about how 1 soc axes may/may not increase chance, i feel the timing (just like getting socs in boots, rings etc seems) we may find a pattern in gem rate.

The game is ultimatly a program with set rules so there must be some pattern at play.

I ask if everyone can post data on when they recieve the gem in the format of

SERVER (snowfall, dream etc) - TIME (server time)- DAY - GEM - RATE - MINE (pc, tc, dc etc)

I will collect this info and post my findings to investigate if timing is an influence (or if indeed is a factor of many influences) in gem rate.

Discuss. lol

The!One · 04/25/2006, 17:08

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Originally posted by dorando@Apr 25 2006, 17:01
Ok, heres food for thought.

"Gems are determined by time of day"

I present this idea based on the fact that i had 2 chars in independent mines mining and both got a gem at the exact same time (to the minute anyway) My flatmate also was mining in another mine and said he got one too when i whispered him minutes later.

The Gems where all normal and for 3 players all to get gems at the same time i feel is a bit co-incidental.

This idea could be plausable as say at 45min past the hour a normal gem is assigned to anyone in the mine reguardless of position, how long they have mined etc.

This would regulate the amount of gems that a server produces and would be easier and give greater control within the game than a random generator would.

Now since we have all debated gem spots and even long ago talked about how 1 soc axes may/may not increase chance, i feel the timing (just like getting socs in boots, rings etc seems) we may find a pattern in gem rate.

The game is ultimatly a program with set rules so there must be some pattern at play.

I ask if everyone can post data on when they recieve the gem in the format of

SERVER (snowfall, dream etc) - TIME (server time)- DAY - GEM - RATE - MINE (pc, tc, dc etc)

I will collect this info and post my findings to investigate if timing is an influence (or if indeed is a factor of many influences) in gem rate.

Discuss. lol

or TQ could have somebody with half a brain on their team of programmers and made a totally random proccedure so that...they are totally un-predictible and there is no way for people to definatly get more gems than others

FlameZ · 04/25/2006, 17:48

Interesting theory..But i believe the success of getting a good gem depends on ur time that u have mined in 1 place. And i also believe that in ur succes rate finding a good gem increases in prosents (how much in what time i dont know). . I believe in my theory more, cause that would explain why we are getting ores slower when we have mined sometime..

cyberlaine · 04/25/2006, 17:54

hmmm interesting theory you have there,why not give it a shot,

unknownone · 04/25/2006, 17:59

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Originally posted by FlameZ@Apr 25 2006, 16:48
Interesting theory..But i believe the success of getting a good gem depends on ur time that u have mined in 1 place. And i also believe that in ur succes rate finding a good gem increases in prosents (how much in what time i dont know). . I believe in my theory more, cause that would explain why we are getting ores slower when we have mined sometime..

Ever considered the rate of everything being mined decreases, not just ores.
When you are mining, you have a "mine rate". That is, the chance of mining something per strike with the pickaxe. The value is initially high, hence you mine alot in the first few minutes. It drops at a rate of 1/t^2, so when you've been mining for a long time, you'll have a low asymptotic mine rate, you wont mine much at all.

I shift my characters around every 20 minutes or so when the rate gets low, and I never have trouble getting gems. When I leave a character on one spot for a while, I get nothing. no gems, no ores.
I have no trouble mining in the same spot for long periods of time due to a certain invisibility hack. I can honestly say, mining in the same spot for long does nothing.

Anyway, back on topic.

I don't belive the time of day theory, but I would not completely rule it out. I've noticed I mine gems more frequently earlier in the day, mine much less during the evening. I've never noticed any relationship between a specific time and mining a gem, but I think something like that would occur because they have a crappy random algorithm.

some1else · 04/25/2006, 17:59

i don't agree. i mine with up to 8 miners at once and very rarely 2 get a gem in same amount of time(i check on them every 20 minits or so)

Korvacs · 04/25/2006, 18:53

i mine pretty much 24/7 on 4 or 5 accounts, i get all different gems at all different times of the day

interesting thought, but sadly not true to conquer

dorando · 04/25/2006, 19:12

I also move my miners about every 20mins and appear to get better results in relation to ores. Maybe someone could make or edit an existing autominer to move the char about, anyways thats off topic

I myself am a game designer and know that if i was planning the gem rate system then i would disperse a gem by:

Checking Total gems server wide against against active player ratio:
(this stops gems popping up everywhere or becomming a drought)

Get a list of gems needed to balance the economy

Deposit gem to a mine randomly

Deposit gem to a player in that mine randomly.

I noticed this with mets as i had about 150mets and used them to lvl up my equip (40mets per item) Trying to find the last 20 was near impossible, but after i spent the mets, all of a sudden i found loads of mets everywhere. I even noticed my guild mates talking about the rate of mets they were getting. Thus i concluded that once i spend the mets into the system, then the system must send them back out to recreate the balance. Can the same be said for Gems?

This is all just talk but all i ask everyone is to post when and where they got their gems to see if there is any validness. I mean, whats the worse that can happen? If im wrong then fair enought, but id rather know for sure and if im right then we will all know when and where to mine :P

as for mining with 10 chars i feel this is what is happening:

there are 40 people mining (not including urs) when a gem is deposited. According to my idea then you have a 20% of one of your miners being assigned the gem.

OgogogO · 04/25/2006, 20:57

very intresting dude ;o , i had 4 miners and i had 40 gems in marketware , after i did some bluemouse quest and got all gems away, i started getting them again in mines :O , before quest i rarely got any

SantoGold · 04/25/2006, 21:07

I don't think gems are determined by time of day. I say it's all random if you get a gem or not. I jumped in TC mines with my noob and mined for 5 minutes and got a gem. I went to DC mines and mined for 15 minutes and got a gem. It's all random. Of course, I do notice the rate of ores decreasing after you get a few and then it starts to speed back up again. I usually get the gem at the last open spot in inventory or halfway full of ores.

.:Suck2:. · 04/25/2006, 21:17

SERVER Uranus - TIME 10: 43 + 11:00 - DAY - Tuesday GEM - Fury RATE - Normal MINE - Tc

A level 40 char. 2 within 20 mins :O

I couldnt believe it. But i read this thread 1st and thought, wow, the guy might be right cos i got 2 around the same time. So here's my contribution :P

Enjoy.

dorando · 04/25/2006, 22:24

thanks! if everyone can contribute then i can start cross referancing to see if there is any pattern. I appreciate what everyone is saying. It could even be that the time of day is just one of the factors that influence gem rate. Maybe after server restart its more likely to get a gem? Please people keep posting your thoughts on this and you gem times

I'd also like to thank all that have replied, i posted a topic like this in the CO forums and basically got blanked!

bellvista · 04/27/2006, 10:28

i have a friend who plays heaps and has been playing for 2 years. he has a book with every gem time date and cords on all his miners and i can say there is no patterns.... he just went to the new server and gets lots more gems .. so there maybe a link to how many pll there are on your server as was touched on in above...