EngineOwning

[OPgamingCHAIR]

Originally Posted by EngineOwning

Then how about providing some evidence to back up your claims?

Evidence to what? Your terrible track record is well documented across the internet....

September 2024 - MW3 Banwave

August 2024 - Banwave

September 2024 - MW/WZ3 (full and lite) detection Banwave

March to July 2024 - Statement regarding lawsuit and MW3/WZ detection, as well as at least 2 other banwaves in this span

January - July 2024 - 1 confirmed Spoofer detection

All of this just in 2024.

MW19/Warzone 1 was hit with at least 6 detections.

Given your website is no longer a thing its conveniently hard to find every single detection event, Wayback Machine doesn't have captures for every piece of info on your site.

That said you had more detections in 2024 than most cheat providers have had in their entire history, you could even add 2-3 providers together and they would still have less total detections than you managed in 2024.

If I could really be bothered wasting my time scouring the internet I could get every one of your past detections.

[mememachinez]

Originally Posted by OPgamingCHAIR

Evidence to what? Your terrible track record is well documented across the internet....

September 2024 - MW3 Banwave

August 2024 - Banwave

September 2024 - MW/WZ3 (full and lite) detection Banwave

March to July 2024 - Statement regarding lawsuit and MW3/WZ detection, as well as at least 2 other banwaves in this span

January - July 2024 - 1 confirmed Spoofer detection

All of this just in 2024.

MW19/Warzone 1 was hit with at least 6 detections.

Given your website is no longer a thing its conveniently hard to find every single detection event, Wayback Machine doesn't have captures for every piece of info on your site.

That said you had more detections in 2024 than most cheat providers have had in their entire history, you could even add 2-3 providers together and they would still have less total detections than you managed in 2024.

If I could really be bothered wasting my time scouring the internet I could get every one of your past detections.

They had more detections because they were targeted when other providers were not... MW2019 literally all were targeted towards them due to them being the biggest and in the cod community if people saw a cheater they just assumed they were using engineowning...

even after then they have gone after engineowning targeting them more then other providers since they didn't shutdown when they sued them and they released literally free versions of their warzone cheat...

much easier for a provider to stay undetected if they are not having detections specifically targeted at them over and over again.

if anything them recovering after getting detected and always addressing the issue quickly and fixing it, shows they know what they are doing.

you also think ricochet are going to spend time targeting some random small external cheat from epvp and ban a few hundred users max and have no youtubers talk about it... no... they are going to spend their time targeting the one with the biggest name that legit players even know about which will make youtubers in the cod community make videos about Activision detecting them giving them some good PR...

[OPgamingCHAIR]

Originally Posted by mememachinez

They had more detections because they were targeted when other providers were not... MW2019 literally all were targeted towards them due to them being the biggest and in the cod community if people saw a cheater they just assumed they were using engineowning...

even after then they have gone after engineowning targeting them more then other providers since they didn't shutdown when they sued them and they released literally free versions of their warzone cheat...

much easier for a provider to stay undetected if they are not having detections specifically targeted at them over and over again.

if anything them recovering after getting detected and always addressing the issue quickly and fixing it, shows they know what they are doing.

you also think ricochet are going to spend time targeting some random small external cheat from epvp and ban a few hundred users max and have no youtubers talk about it... no... they are going to spend their time targeting the one with the biggest name that legit players even know about which will make youtubers in the cod community make videos about Activision detecting them giving them some good PR...

Dude you're delusional with your comment about "if anything them recovering after getting detected and always addressing the issue quickly and fixing it, shows they know what they are doing."

If they knew what they were doing they would remain relatively undetected even when being targeted. ArtificialAiming is equally prevalent with a massive user base much like Engineowning yet AA remain relatively undetected you can count AAs detections on 1 hand, you need all your fingers and toes and more to count EOs detection history.

If you think a Kernel level anticheat like Ricochet/Activision are only targeting big providers than you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and have no idea how an anticheat functions.

EO should have had more respect for its users instead of taunting Activision on social media, this has obviously done no favors for them in terms of being targeted, but there have been small providers that have had detections once again reinforcing that they will target and detect small providers. You do realize that Ricochet is actively scanning your system and the games memory for injected code right? Once again reinforcing that anyone can be detected at any point, large or small it matters not. It comes down to how well a cheat is coded to bypass anticheat detections of which EO is what I would call slop in terms of bypassing anticheat.

If you like and want to use EO thats fine, that does not change the fact that they are detected often, EO replied to my comment asking for proof and I pulled it straight from their website using the wayback machine with at least 10 ban waves in 2024 alone, that doesn't count all the other numerous detections since MW19.

[DennisMeister69]

Originally Posted by OPgamingCHAIR

If you think a Kernel level anticheat like Ricochet/Activision are only targeting big providers than you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and have no idea how an anticheat functions

I don’t think, I know they only do targeted detections.

[L1ney]

Originally Posted by mememachinez

They had more detections because they were targeted when other providers were not... MW2019 literally all were targeted towards them due to them being the biggest and in the cod community if people saw a cheater they just assumed they were using engineowning...

even after then they have gone after engineowning targeting them more then other providers since they didn't shutdown when they sued them and they released literally free versions of their warzone cheat...

much easier for a provider to stay undetected if they are not having detections specifically targeted at them over and over again.

if anything them recovering after getting detected and always addressing the issue quickly and fixing it, shows they know what they are doing.

you also think ricochet are going to spend time targeting some random small external cheat from epvp and ban a few hundred users max and have no youtubers talk about it... no... they are going to spend their time targeting the one with the biggest name that legit players even know about which will make youtubers in the cod community make videos about Activision detecting them giving them some good PR...

Doesn`t matter if they were targeted or no, this all means that their developers are simply incompetent, or you want to say that when there was a simply better and more popular IW, and they were still only targeting EO?

p.s. also all this looks like an excuse for incompetent developers, instead of saying - yes we are ass, we can`t bypass even weakest kernel ac out there, its easier to say - they target us guys, but its ok, we are kept getting detected every month but its because they "target" us, not because we are low skilled, but keep purchasing our products please

p.s. 2
if you are not developer don`t even answer this message i won`t argue with you since you are clueless n have no clue what you are talking about

[DennisMeister69]

Originally Posted by L1ney

Doesn`t matter if they were targeted or no, this all means that their developers are simply incompetent, or you want to say that when there was a simply better and more popular IW, and they were still only targeting EO?

p.s. also all this looks like an excuse for incompetent developers, instead of saying - yes we are ***, we can`t bypass even weakest kernel ac out there, its easier to say - they target us guys, but its ok, we are kept getting detected every month but its because they "target" us, not because we are low skilled, but keep purchasing our products please

p.s. 2
if you are not developer don`t even answer this message i won`t argue with you since you are clueless n have no clue what you are talking about

Don’t pretend you know ****, same detection along the paste providers is a shame, let’s not begin about you

[Xboxlivee]

Originally Posted by EngineOwning

You shouldn't use any cheat on a main account you do not want to lose.



Can you please send me your username via PM so I can check the bad support response time you mentioned?
I think we managed to really improve our update speed over the last months, you can find a history here:

I use my main and it’s a wz1 account lol. No SB either. Been using PO since WZ3.

[Notifications]

Originally Posted by Xboxlivee

I use my main and it’s a wz1 account lol. No SB either. Been using PO since WZ3.

PO got detected twice so you just got lucky that you never got banned. Statement is true, don't cheat on an account you care for.

[ape1]

Originally Posted by OPgamingCHAIR

Evidence to what? Your terrible track record is well documented across the internet....

September 2024 - MW3 Banwave

August 2024 - Banwave

September 2024 - MW/WZ3 (full and lite) detection Banwave

March to July 2024 - Statement regarding lawsuit and MW3/WZ detection, as well as at least 2 other banwaves in this span

January - July 2024 - 1 confirmed Spoofer detection

All of this just in 2024.

MW19/Warzone 1 was hit with at least 6 detections.

Given your website is no longer a thing its conveniently hard to find every single detection event, Wayback Machine doesn't have captures for every piece of info on your site.

That said you had more detections in 2024 than most cheat providers have had in their entire history, you could even add 2-3 providers together and they would still have less total detections than you managed in 2024.

If I could really be bothered wasting my time scouring the internet I could get every one of your past detections.

Yes isn't it funny that there website is gone where they announced there detections. Now they can attempt to make it seem like that never happened. I think in a previous post I made I counted 5 detections over 5 months. Completely unacceptable for any provider. Targeted or not cheats like PO and IW have been far better.

Originally Posted by Notifications

PO got detected twice so you just got lucky that you never got banned. Statement is true, don't cheat on an account you care for.

In this context though it is a cop out. Engine Owning gets detected 100 times a month well don't cheat on an account you care about. Extremely lazy and we should expect more out of a provider.

[Notifications]

Originally Posted by ape1

Yes isn't it funny that there website is gone where they announced there detections. Now they can attempt to make it seem like that never happened. I think in a previous post I made I counted 5 detections over 5 months. Completely unacceptable for any provider. Targeted or not cheats like PO and IW have been far better.


In this context though it is a cop out. Engine Owning gets detected 100 times a month well don't cheat on an account you care about. Extremely lazy and we should expect more out of a provider.

Not really, their website is still around; and as for expecting more, you're in the wrong place to be looking for that as many providers throughout history whether it's for CoD, CSGO or other titles have all lied about their UD status. They were 100% correct saying not to cheat on an account you care about. Their history is irrelevant, Zebleer fought constantly to keep PO undetected to the point it took up so much of his time he went private, IW got shut down. EO was/is bigger than PO in terms of raw users and everyone assumes a cheater was either PO or EO, it's understandable they can't be bothered dealing with the anti cheat the same way PO did because it's clearly a ballache especially if you're a larger provider.

[OPgamingCHAIR]

Originally Posted by Notifications

Not really, their website is still around; and as for expecting more, you're in the wrong place to be looking for that as many providers throughout history whether it's for CoD, CSGO or other titles have all lied about their UD status. They were 100% correct saying not to cheat on an account you care about. Their history is irrelevant, Zebleer fought constantly to keep PO undetected to the point it took up so much of his time he went private, IW got shut down. EO was/is bigger than PO in terms of raw users and everyone assumes a cheater was either PO or EO, it's understandable they can't be bothered dealing with the anti cheat the same way PO did because it's clearly a ballache especially if you're a larger provider.

Where is their website? You google EO these days and all you find is some crappy RevUnity re-seller website.

It still doesn't change the fact EO can not stay undetected for more than a few months at a time and then when people call them out on this forum they ask for evidence of such claims, which I gave evidence to in an early comment in this thread, as ape1 said its not super convenient that they have no website with a cheat status or past detection history.

End of the day I couldn't care less what people use to cheat with, its the fact that certain users still defend EO, EO them self come here and dispute their terrible detection history when you can still find evidence of at least 6 detections in 2024 alone.

[Notifications]

Originally Posted by OPgamingCHAIR

Where is their website? You google EO these days and all you find is some crappy RevUnity re-seller website.

It still doesn't change the fact EO can not stay undetected for more than a few months at a time and then when people call them out on this forum they ask for evidence of such claims, which I gave evidence to in an early comment in this thread, as ape1 said its not super convenient that they have no website with a cheat status or past detection history.

End of the day I couldn't care less what people use to cheat with, its the fact that certain users still defend EO, EO them self come here and dispute their terrible detection history when you can still find evidence of at least 6 detections in 2024 alone.

I'm not sure where either of you got your information from regarding their site but it's quite literally the first result for me on Google. It's EngineOwning.su and their status page dictates the last detection for all their cheats, I'm sure registering and searching their forums would probably give more results & in-depth but i don't know since I haven't used them since the 2020 wave.

And again to their detections, it's inconvenient they get it but they're still the largest public cheat for Cod & other cheat providers like PO can testify it's a pain to be constantly fighting Ricochet, even in the Discord for ProofCore(who have never had a detection due to the ID verification) still the advice in there is to not cheat on an account you care for. This was the same for the PO Telegram, cheating is always a cat and mouse and the anticheat has the upper hand. They have the resources & even sometimes smart people working on it.

The way you're coming across makes it seem as if for 4.95 euros per 3 days you're entitled to a constantly undetected cheat. You get what you pay for, they're insanely cheap so you're not going to have someone monitoring the anticheat 247 and the second it changes killing the cheat and spending 10+ hours of their day only to discover the change did nothing to impact the security of their cheat. Everyone at this point knows EO's history, they know the detections, the lawsuit etc.

All I can say is that if you actually feel this way & aren't just being a dick to be a dick, go learn to code and make a competitor to EO and show them it's possible to stay in the public eye without detections. Otherwise I just recommend leaving it and letting them get on with whatever they have going on as you're just bashing to bash.

[OPgamingCHAIR]

Originally Posted by Notifications

I'm not sure where either of you got your information from regarding their site but it's quite literally the first result for me on Google. It's EngineOwning.su and their status page dictates the last detection for all their cheats, I'm sure registering and searching their forums would probably give more results & in-depth but i don't know since I haven't used them since the 2020 wave.

And again to their detections, it's inconvenient they get it but they're still the largest public cheat for Cod & other cheat providers like PO can testify it's a pain to be constantly fighting Ricochet, even in the Discord for ProofCore(who have never had a detection due to the ID verification) still the advice in there is to not cheat on an account you care for. This was the same for the PO Telegram, cheating is always a cat and mouse and the anticheat has the upper hand. They have the resources & even sometimes smart people working on it.

The way you're coming across makes it seem as if for 4.95 euros per 3 days you're entitled to a constantly undetected cheat. You get what you pay for, they're insanely cheap so you're not going to have someone monitoring the anticheat 247 and the second it changes killing the cheat and spending 10+ hours of their day only to discover the change did nothing to impact the security of their cheat. Everyone at this point knows EO's history, they know the detections, the lawsuit etc.

All I can say is that if you actually feel this way & aren't just being a dick to be a dick, go learn to code and make a competitor to EO and show them it's possible to stay in the public eye without detections. Otherwise I just recommend leaving it and letting them get on with whatever they have going on as you're just bashing to bash.

Interesting, When I google EO nothing shows for their actual website except a re-seller website as the first result.

with that said I can now paint a more accurate picture on their lackluster detection history

MW3/WZ Detections

September 2024 - Detected
August 2024 - Detected x2 Full cheat and Lite Version
July 2024 - Detected
May 2024 - Detected x2
April 2024 - Detected
April 2024 - Spoofer Detected

MW2/WZ Detections

August 2023 - Detected

MW19/WZ

Unfortunately anything before these dates is gone and their MW19 detection history is lost to time as they migrated to a new Site/forum

You can try spin it anyway you like or assume I'm being a dick for the sake of it which I am not, they have weak AC bypass, their size is relatively irrelevant. I am no coding expert but Ricochet is still one of the weaker Kernel level ACs and they are still getting detected more than they should. Artificial Aiming is an extremely large and notorious cheat provider yet they aren't being detected bi-monthly because they clearly have a coder/coders that can bypass Ricochet efficiently where as EO cannot.

I just see BS and call people out on it mate, the small majority of you can defend or make X excuse for EO or any other provider all you like.

Never forget EO was still one of the only providers back in the day of MW19/WZ that were getting detected/banwaves when they had a no name weak AC before ricochet was ever implemented.

Once again not being a dick, just stating facts and not making BS excuses to justify 8 detections in 1 year, some banwaves at a rate of more than 1 per consecutive month.

[EngineOwning]

Originally Posted by OPgamingCHAIR

Interesting, When I google EO nothing shows for their actual website except a re-seller website as the first result.

with that said I can now paint a more accurate picture on their lackluster detection history

MW3/WZ Detections

September 2024 - Detected
August 2024 - Detected x2 Full cheat and Lite Version
July 2024 - Detected
May 2024 - Detected x2
April 2024 - Detected
April 2024 - Spoofer Detected

MW2/WZ Detections

August 2023 - Detected

MW19/WZ

Unfortunately anything before these dates is gone and their MW19 detection history is lost to time as they migrated to a new Site/forum

You can try spin it anyway you like or assume I'm being a dick for the sake of it which I am not, they have weak AC bypass, their size is relatively irrelevant. I am no coding expert but Ricochet is still one of the weaker Kernel level ACs and they are still getting detected more than they should. Artificial Aiming is an extremely large and notorious cheat provider yet they aren't being detected bi-monthly because they clearly have a coder/coders that can bypass Ricochet efficiently where as EO cannot.

I just see BS and call people out on it mate, the small majority of you can defend or make X excuse for EO or any other provider all you like.

Never forget EO was still one of the only providers back in the day of MW19/WZ that were getting detected/banwaves when they had a no name weak AC before ricochet was ever implemented.

Once again not being a dick, just stating facts and not making BS excuses to justify 8 detections in 1 year, some banwaves at a rate of more than 1 per consecutive month.

When you have managed to actually provide evidence for your statement "internets most detected public COD provider", I might read the rest of your energetic posts, check if the detection dates you posted are even accurate and properly answer you
Please go ahead and research all the detections of other public providers and list them so they can be compared, altough I have some doubts whether that's even possible for all competitors.
You should also provide important context about specific detections for all providers, for example if a detection affected a very small percentage of the user base.

[billycock]

all i gotta say is, EO has gotten many accounts of mine perm banned.

Ban waves every few months.
Updates were slow 50% of the time.
How ever they usually always gave comp.

Using eo for months, maybe a year on end for ranked wz.

And all i can say is, i wish i used another provider at that time.
i was always told to get po, but EO price was too good and so was the comp.

Price good, telegram filled npcs , Ban waves every few months.
my first ban was like after 2 months of use, Maybe 3.

Walls and unlock only. I NEVER used aimbot nor No Recoil. Just walls and unlocker

also still atm I'm looking for a good provider, as PO is not public no more.