External vs Internal

[SveBäx86]

Good morning everyone, I would like to know what are the differences or the advantages and disadvantages of an external chair to an internal chair

[L1ney]

Internal is the cheat that is being executed inside of the game process
external is the cheat that being outside of the game process

usually externals use Drivers to r/w game`s memory
Internals don`t require to use driver to read / write games memory since they are inside of it already

Internals usually will require more job to be safer because they require to code an undetected injector, bypass a lot of integrity checks inside of the game ( if anti cheat devs are not retarded )

and usually the best way to do internal will be Attacking the anti cheat directly
so yea, a lot of job to keep it undetected as more as possible

but Internals have a lot of options, they can hook game functions, directly call functions ( helps if game have a lot of encryptions but not all of them are inlined )
etc..., and of course its easier for internals to make exploits ( silent, rapid fire, etc... )
of course not like you can`t do exploits from external, but if the game have complicated mechanics, it will be way harder and it won`t be as stable as internals
and Internals will be way smoother ( lazy to explain this already )

on the other hands, its not easy to keep External undetected too, but it will require less work, than internals, thats why usually people prefer using External cheats ( especially if they are done on properly )

but
there will be a lack of performance on Externals, doesn`t matter how good the devs coded it, you will always be able to see if the cheat is internal or external, you will simply feel it

[SveBäx86]

wtf i didn't expect such a precise answer. Thanks for the great explanation. Are there any well-disguised internal chairs where you could play with Main without risking perma?

[L1ney]

Originally Posted by SveBäx86

wtf i didn't expect such a precise answer. Thanks for the great explanation. Are there any well-disguised internal chairs where you could play with Main without risking perma?

there is no such thing "without risking perma" not even dma
sooner or later something will happen, the only question is when exactly

[Cadyss]

Originally Posted by L1ney

there is no such thing "without risking perma" not even dma
sooner or later something will happen, the only question is when exactly

For them to detect propper emulated firmware will take years from now on, maybe a decade lol.
This game is so trash, filled with bugs, server issues, cheaters and so so many other issues. But mainly their Store works lol. The game is barely alive right now, they try to just keep it alive. This game is so average in so many aspects i just don't see them detect any good externals not even to start talking about DMA

[xKresor]

Originally Posted by Cadyss

For them to detect propper emulated firmware will take years from now on, maybe a decade lol.
This game is so trash, filled with bugs, server issues, cheaters and so so many other issues. But mainly their Store works lol. The game is barely alive right now, they try to just keep it alive. This game is so average in so many aspects i just don't see them detect any good externals not even to start talking about DMA

What you said is mostly true, but I wouldn’t underestimate their desire to detect someone.

If their anti-cheat engineers are not experienced enough, it would only take them a few grand $, which is like candy money for Activision, to hire someone to craft detections that target every external cheat on the ElitePVP list.

[EngineOwning]

Originally Posted by L1ney

and usually the best way to do internal will be Attacking the anti cheat directly
so yea, a lot of job to keep it undetected as more as possible

I beg to differ. The current main mechanism Ricochet uses to detect specific cheats applies to both, externals and internals. You pretty much have the same options in either case and attacking the anti cheat is the cheaper but certainly not the best way to prevent a detection.
Also the reason why a lot (of course not all, some have very talented devs) of externals are still undetected is not because they are so much more secure by design but because the anti cheat devs don't care about them specifically.

[L1ney]

Originally Posted by EngineOwning

I beg to differ. The current main mechanism Ricochet uses to detect specific cheats applies to both, externals and internals. You pretty much have the same options in either case and attacking the anti cheat is the cheaper but certainly not the best way to prevent a detection.
Also the reason why a lot (of course not all, some have very talented devs) of externals are still undetected is not because they are so much more secure by design but because the anti cheat devs don't care about them specifically.

the only reason i said it`s better to attack anti cheat directly while being internal is that you are going into their territory already, why don`t you want to deal with anti cheat itself directly ? if you have enough skills and time you can simply emulate the anti cheat, keep track of everything possible¯\_(ツ)_/¯
and saying that directly attack anti cheat is cheap is very wrong, you either didn't understand what i mean, or now i understand why EO got about 3 detections in half a year¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ( no hate of course )

Originally Posted by Cadyss

For them to detect propper emulated firmware will take years from now on, maybe a decade lol.
This game is so trash, filled with bugs, server issues, cheaters and so so many other issues. But mainly their Store works lol. The game is barely alive right now, they try to just keep it alive. This game is so average in so many aspects i just don't see them detect any good externals not even to start talking about DMA

For them to detect something unique & self coded without ghetto solutions that will cause half of the players to be banned will take a lot too especially by the way they are working, i`m genuinely thinking that free versions of EOS EAC
will do more job than Ricochet, even some hella simple shit that can be detected in a few lines of code will still do the job on ricochet ( and it`s something that every basic driver will use to r/w ), especially if you won`t share your cheat with people and keep it for yourself
for such a big company is a huge shame that they can`t hire ( or simply don`t want to waste money ) on better developers / already developed anti cheat like BE/EAC

about game filled with bugs, can`t really say that to be honest, the only thing i really feel sometimes when i play is a backtrack like in csgo, which is not surprising, if you download leaked pdb of mw19 and check how they simulate commands, some parts of code are really similar

Originally Posted by xKresor

them a few grand $, which is like candy money for Activision, to hire someone to craft detections that target every external cheat on the ElitePVP list.

Believe me, it's not that simple

[DennisMeister69]

Man talks about 3 detections meanwhile this dude had a detection with prob less than 100 users, sounds more like you used the same technique as the other past providers who has been detected. talks about security btw

[L1ney]

Originally Posted by DennisMeister69

Man talks about 3 detections meanwhile this dude had a detection with prob less than 100 users, sounds more like you used the same technique as the other past providers who has been detected. talks about security btw

Advance had more than 400 users back then ( 2x more if i include rebrands ), even more now,plus as i mentioned already last "detection" wasn`t actual detection but a wave of false bans, which caused even my accounts to be unbanned 2-3 weeks later, so stop crying.
although this could have been avoided if we had fixed some vulnerabilities back then

[DennisMeister69]

Yes “false bans”. There were no false bans on that period but good try hiding the fact it was detected

[DennisMeister69]

Originally Posted by L1ney

? @explained that very good on twitter ? it was literally during bo6 beta ? i mean i know that you are delulu EO fan but never thought that you were that much of it LOL, i`m trying to find the date when that happened to find screenshots how i just went around 3-4 accounts and all of them were unbanned

“eo fanboy” love your comment, not even defending EO or anything. Keep it on child

[DennisMeister69]

Originally Posted by L1ney

you d riding EO as soon as somebody says anything about it, get a job LOL

I wonder how long it’ll take you to get banned here with such attitude always, i must have hit a nerve on you for telling a fact about your detection. Even zebleer said so and you ignore everything and continue **** talking, **** your *** down and accept it. Those “false bans” were not for you, otherwise i could tell eo has less detections, but that would make me a fanboy right

[L1ney]

Originally Posted by DennisMeister69

I wonder how long it’ll take you to get banned here with such attitude always, i must have hit a nerve on you for telling a fact about your detection. Even zebleer said so and you ignore everything and continue **** talking, **** your *** down and accept it. Those “false bans” were not for you, otherwise i could tell eo has less detections, but that would make me a fanboy right

with what attitude ? you are not smart enough to understand simple things, everything left is just troll you that`s it, as i said get a job

cope, keep crying at the facts, ratio
p.s. from now on everything you write will be ignored, your words have no weight anyways

[DennisMeister69]

Originally Posted by L1ney

with what attitude ? you are not smart enough to understand simple things, everything left is just troll you that`s it, as i said get a job

cope, keep crying at the facts, ratio
p.s. from now on everything you write will be ignored, your words have no weight anyways

Not sure where i am crying, you can ignore but you won’t since you have anger issues. You are not intelligent enough to keep things running for a long term.

Fyi i do have a job and I’m not the one who is desperate asking xenos daily begging to review the cheat to be added in the legit list, desperate for sales.