DMA or external

[todayta]

Originally Posted by svint

I apologize then, I misunderstood your response and went left field when it wasn't warranted. You are in fact entitled to your own opinion too; I thought you were stating externals were on par and an option in comparison to security for DMA.

I do not disagree on the Microsoft acquisition, as nice as it is, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here. Given Microsoft's inability themselves to do anything with cheating (enter Halo Infinite when it actually had interest), I'm still not confident, but we'll see.


Glad you sorted it out OP. Good luck with your decision my man.

Weird tangent, maybe they have issues on PC,but on console Xbox security and hypervisor technology is second to none , my.own opinion is any anti cheat that is seriously dedicated to curbing dma cheat probably will, using dma on valorant for instance is in my opinion a fool's erand

[svint]

Originally Posted by todayta

Weird tangent, maybe they have issues on PC,but on console Xbox security and hypervisor technology is second to none , my.own opinion is any anti cheat that is seriously dedicated to curbing dma cheat probably will, using dma on valorant for instance is in my opinion a fool's erand

Sure, in theory, they could. What I have seen myself then, this will push opportunistic developers who want to make *** loads of $$$ to truly reverse and engineer a real emulated device. I'm not talking a simple bar support, one that attaches to a driver (most of these legal devices don't even need TLP responses for driver support/app appearance, just a BAR they can read as their product).

It's already been problematic enough for the likes of Faceit for example, to differentiate a legal from spoofed device using ekknod's tactics, and thats with a very simple TLP/bar controller.

The way I'd see it is Microsoft would have to ban the legal device, as when we'd enter that level of emulation, including devices using a Xilinix Artix7, how would you differ the legal from fake? Especially if it was a 100% emulated clone that responded to any and all tlp's, full functionality, etc. They'd have to pull a Faceit and begin to ban the entire device.

I don't see Microsoft taking this approach to combat cheats, but we'll see. Not trying to tin foil hat here, I just think we're at the infancy of this battle and DMA is only going to advance from here. Yes, it's been around for some time, but largely unknown. Hell, as we speak, ZDMA is working on a firmwareless device to cheat with (we prolly wont see until next year).

[timwithxim]

if you dont mind spending the money id go with dma

[Krad3z3]

DMA is not worth it unless you already use DMA for EAC/BE protected games and only payment you have to make is for cheat subscription. Investing in DMA just for COD is dumbest thing you can waste money on.

[Cadyss]

Originally Posted by AimMasterCC

DMA is not worth it unless you already use DMA for EAC/BE protected games and only payment you have to make is for cheat subscription. Investing in DMA just for COD is dumbest thing you can waste money on.

Sry but i have to disagree sir.
For COD , DMA is the "holy grail" of cheating and safety and this probably won't change that quick.

Some of us have godly Accounts from Verdansk which need to be protected at all costs. No shadowban issues, no problems ever. Can play tourneys without issues, can literally do whatever we want to. Externals do well in MW3 all of them but still, the risk of an Detection is there and with DMA all the sus stuff is on the Laptop/second Pc im case of Pc checks.

I agree for lower tier cheaters its complete bs to waste money on it, the ones who just cheat on an friday evening on an burner Account for a few games of fun.

[Krad3z3]

Originally Posted by Cadyss

Sry but i have to disagree sir.
For COD , DMA is the "holy grail" of cheating and safety and this probably won't change that quick.

Some of us have godly Accounts from Verdansk which need to be protected at all costs. No shadowban issues, no problems ever. Can play tourneys without issues, can literally do whatever we want to. Externals do well in MW3 all of them but still, the risk of an Detection is there and with DMA all the sus stuff is on the Laptop/second Pc im case of Pc checks.

I agree for lower tier cheaters its complete bs to waste money on it, the ones who just cheat on an friday evening on an burner Account for a few games of fun.

You buy whatever you believe in. It's waste of money setting up DMA just for COD. Said it and stand by it. It's worth it only if you already use DMA for EAC/BE games and only need to pay for COD DMA Cheat sub.

You still can invest money if you have it to feel safer with it.

[wilvin0]

If it's only for cod, dma is a money waste.

[DeprimereShop]

My personal opinion is that external products would fit the need for the majority of players. DMA is great but has such a high cost for entry and there are a lot of people who push fw for DMA cards that often mislead customers.

[Agrezion]

If you value more security with far higher setup costs, then DMA makes sense. DMA also makes sense if you are going to use it with other game cheats.

That does not apply to you? Then any good cheat will be enough for your cheat needs.

DMA is also overrated for easyanticheat or other ac as most of the firmwares are trash. There is no undetectable way to cheat.

[svint]

Originally Posted by Cadyss

Sry but i have to disagree sir.
For COD , DMA is the "holy grail" of cheating and safety and this probably won't change that quick.

Some of us have godly Accounts from Verdansk which need to be protected at all costs. No shadowban issues, no problems ever. Can play tourneys without issues, can literally do whatever we want to. Externals do well in MW3 all of them but still, the risk of an Detection is there and with DMA all the sus stuff is on the Laptop/second Pc im case of Pc checks.

I agree for lower tier cheaters its complete bs to waste money on it, the ones who just cheat on an friday evening on an burner Account for a few games of fun.

it's a silly debate and waste of time with them my mans. the topic of conversation was of which is more secure. dma. end of story.

no counter argument can be made beyond "it's a waste" which is subjective. to me, $400ish to get started with DMA is childs play for the level of security, quality of life, peace of mind, etc. that comes with it. by that very definition of "overkill" on COD, just furthers the security standpoint on DMA. give me overkill.

Originally Posted by Agrezion

DMA is also overrated for easyanticheat or other ac as most of the firmwares are trash. There is no undetectable way to cheat.

is this a joke?

it took EAC 4-5 months to publicly detect ekknod's wifi, and even then, they only got the wifi specific firmware. anyone who took his bar controller and used it on other Xilinx devices (not Spartan's like the wifi) have not seen a ban or used the muiltimedia device of his. give me an external cheat with publicly available source that can make it 4-5 months without detection? you can't.

so i don't see how that's overrated but ok? slotted external cheats are detected quicker than this.

andddd you link a Valorant thread. yes, the anti-cheat that works like malware, with full control of your machine, loads at boot, enforces secure boot/tpm, etc is a great comparison.

do you think Activision will open themselves up to that level of anti-cheat and all that comes with it? yeah, i'd love to see Activision (who can't even proactively stop kdmapper externals) put together a functioning ring 0 anticheat like VGK. i'm sure it would have zero vulnerabilities that would be exploited and open up everyone who used it to attacks.

i can see it now, a new cheat that targets and takes control of a selected PC player in your lobby. that'd be the shit. i'd give up DMA for that.

[Agrezion]

Originally Posted by svint

is this a joke?

it took EAC 4-5 months to publicly detect ekknod's wifi, and even then, they only got the wifi specific firmware. anyone who took his bar controller and used it on other Xilinx devices (not Spartan's like the wifi) have not seen a ban or used the muiltimedia device of his. give me an external cheat with publicly available source that can make it 4-5 months without detection? you can't.

so i don't see how that's overrated but ok? slotted external cheats are detected quicker than this.

andddd you link a Valorant thread. yes, the anti-cheat that works like malware, with full control of your machine, loads at boot, enforces secure boot/tpm, etc is a great comparison.

do you think Activision will open themselves up to that level of anti-cheat and all that comes with it? yeah, i'd love to see Activision (who can't even proactively stop kdmapper externals) put together a functioning ring 0 anticheat like VGK. i'm sure it would have zero vulnerabilities that would be exploited and open up everyone who used it to attacks.

i can see it now, a new cheat that targets and takes control of a selected PC player in your lobby. that'd be the shit. i'd give up DMA for that.

That is why I specified "other ac" and not Ricochet.

There are public COD providers going for years without any detection. While not the same for EAC, some are also undetected for at least a year.

The info still stays the same regardless if its for valorant. Might not be the case as much for other ac but still can be an issue. The post by @ also highlights other things beside just DMA.

AA was like 3 years undetected?
Aimex like 3 years too?
PO 2 years?
Proofcore 3 years?
Many reseller cheats reaching 1 year?

You dont need DMA unless

Originally Posted by Agrezion

If you value more security with far higher setup costs, then DMA makes sense.

[DariXOne]

Originally Posted by Agrezion

That is why I specified "other ac" and not Ricochet.

There are public COD providers going for years without any detection. While not the same for EAC, some are also undetected for at least a year.

The info still stays the same regardless if its for valorant. Might not be the case as much for other ac but still can be an issue. The post by @ also highlights other things beside just DMA.

AA was like 3 years undetected?
Aimex like 3 years too?
PO 2 years?
Proofcore 3 years?
Many reseller cheats reaching 1 year?

You dont need DMA unless

AA was undetected for 3 years then got hit in march 18th 2024, PO i think they came to market for 1st time in june 2021? last detection of PO was aug-sep 2023, and PC late 2021 i think i might be wrong though.

Simply i doubt ricochet will make any move against DMA since they cant even handle detecting 10$ cheats, they dont have the consistency detecting public cheats let alone this idiots go for dma, but i am sure with all this attention dma is getting right now they might actually make a move just for PR sake and hit those preflashed fws, but i highly doubt it.

As for why dma is better than internals/externals, if you have a precious account and you dont want to get banned then dma is a good option and people dont mind spending 400-600$ to keep their trusted account safe instead of getting banned then make new account and get in sb loop non stop because of stupid system chimps at ricochet introduced, or worse paying thousands of dollars and pray that you bought a trusted aged account from a seller.