READ BEFORE BUYING! - EA HAS SERVER DETECTIONS!

[PinkyBoo]

When you see everyone saying their cheat is UD/Undetected this is only for EAC.

EA has Server Side Detections they use for Aimbots, Silent-PSilent, and other options... There are theories about how all this works, but unless you work at EA or know someone at EA that can have access to the servers, then no one knows the exact specifics.

So how do we learn about this as truth/facts?

You can actually speak to the heads of security at EA over these matters, I have actually done this, and it's not easy to reach them, I consider myself fortunate, that is why I am sharing something not talked about; "Server Side Detections".

EA will not share their secrets, but they will give you a basic outline of the process, which basically goes as follows;

1. Player Reports

2. If Player Reports - need video/streaming evidence to back up reports.

3. For #2 if no video/streaming proof, EA won't ban, unless servers detect, otherwise it's considered a False Positive Report.

4. Last, EA will mention to you about the server detections as 'Checking Data'.

Yes it's true a lot of people are wrongly banned, there has been numerous false bans in the past, but that is not the point of this topic.

So the bottom line is, the cost of cheese, how expensive so called quality cheats are to be considered safer, is not true, they are only good against EAC detections. Because as I stated, unless you work at EA, or know someone, then you don't know how to develop the cheat to beat the Server Side Detections.

So for players that say they have used cheats a very long time, and think what I am saying here is nonsense, they are lucky, that is all, nothing more. Because it is true, a good player that knows how to better use their cheat can use Humanized/Randomized options to make the game play appear more legit to the servers, but it only can go so far.

Cheats are bots, they are robotic, for all the randomizations/humanizations you create on them, they can never be made at this point in time 100% human, to fool the servers 100% of the time.

Cheat randomizations/humanizations is as good as it gets in the world of Apex cheating to help make you safer, so what one developer can do with this, another can too, there is no secret to this, any developer with the skills can match the same level of randomizations/humanizations, this is all that matters at this point in time. This is why costs don't matter, until someone can come along saying they have the secret(s), which will never happen until they get their foot in the door at EA.

Until developers can get inside EA to know exactly how their servers detect, any cheat is unsafe and more expensive cheats don't make them any better, they are simply more expensive is all.

If costs equates to quality, then consider the world of Open Source software, Unix, Linux, Android, Google one of the biggest developers of Open Source software in the world, for FREE!

Remember Cost Does Not Equate To Quality!

If you think I came here spreading a lie, I didn't, I know how the EA System works, and you can to, with a little research and persistence with EA. What do I have to gain by spreading a lie? I'll tell you nothing, I'm here to share the truth, so people will stopping spreading lies, telling you that you need to buy an expensive cheat to have quality and safety/security.

I'll also tell you that I've used a lot of cheats, and some of the best names in the Public Scene too, and I've seen numerous people constantly banned with all these so called expensive quality cheats. Go test and use for yourself a lot of Apex cheats, and see if you can honestly see or tell any differences in the way they work from one to another? You won't because they all work and do the same things.

Go waste your money if you want, then when you get the hammer, come back here and share it, so others will learn, and maybe one day, the Cheese Coding Developers will stop trying to rip people off!

[debug_]

You've made valid points there tho I disagree with some of it.

So for players that say they have used cheats a very long time, and think what I am saying here is nonsense, they are lucky, that is all, nothing more. Because it is true, a good player that knows how to better use their cheat can use Humanized/Randomized options to make the game play appear more legit to the servers, but it only can go so far.

It is definitely not lucks, I've seen closet cheaters climbing from Bronze to Predators with ease and aimbot at its minimal potential, they didn't go all out with it, surely it will give them away at some point but as far as I've seen, silent aimbot in Apex is still very much undetected if you've actually found a decent cheat provider, most of the threads here on epvp are just resellers in which combined and built up a big public users for their cheats and therefore the cheats will be detected sooner or later.

If costs equates to quality, then consider the world of Open Source software, Unix, Linux, Android, Google one of the biggest developers of Open Source software in the world, for FREE!

Remember Cost Does Not Equate To Quality!

If you think I came here spreading a lie, I didn't, I know how the EA System works, and you can to, with a little research and persistence with EA. What do I have to gain by spreading a lie? I'll tell you nothing, I'm here to share the truth, so people will stopping spreading lies, telling you that you need to buy an expensive cheat to have quality and safety/security.

This makes no sense lol, I agree that not every developers made their cheats from scratch but it's like saying every cheats use the exact same features, drivers, builds, bypass..., every cheats enact different features and that's why every single one of them are different, varying from detection to builds, public guard bypasses are considered to be the most common way for any Apex cheat users at this point and cheats like Last, Kamikaze, Omni, Collapse,... they use different driver and bypass system. Agreeable that EAC has some sort of an automatic aimbot detection system but that doesn't mean buying cheats with aimbot are all detected. Either you play legitimately with the minimal settings or you get banned, not everyone know the rules and I presume you're not that everyone. For some of the cheats I saw, Last has a really cool features like spectator list and drop glitch tho they're bypass is quite poopy that's why they get hit almost every 2-3 months. For other cheats I found are very undetected and you should try them are Pasteware, Rijin,... They're invitational and the cost isn't high considering for private cheats and it doesn't allow the users to play blatantly, just simple closet features and lasts for a really long time now. Doesn't mean you buy an expensive cheats are around 60-200 bucks doesn't mean you can blatantly rage however you please, as pissed as you are, my much assumption was that you've either played really blatantly or used a detected cheat. So deal with it

Go waste your money if you want, then when you get the hammer, come back here and share it, so others will learn, and maybe one day, the Cheese Coding Developers will stop trying to rip people off!

Barely anyone provides cheats came up with the intention of scamming people, (of course this doesn't apply to resellers or scammers L), the point when you use cheats is the point you should apply the mindset that you will get banned one day, you want to use a video game modification software and expect to get your ass away with it is like a 13 years old thinking that they will ever see Christmas all day for a year.

[RealVal]

TL;DR

“Buy $20 cheats, anything higher is a scam because Apex has a serverside anticheat.”

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Good way to tell people to get banned using a cheap cheat, then go to providers who actually care about customer security and complain about how they are banned because of their cheat, even though they’re HWID banned from the cheap cheat.

You’re spreading information everyone already knows. Angles and statistics have been used by games for years now, there’s nothing new with Apex doing it other than them saying it’s AI. The idea you’re trying to imply about cheaters not knowing how the serverside checks work, and therefore they’re not any safer than cheap cheats is completely incorrect.

The truth is that the serverside AI is nothing special, in fact, it has actually been a huge fail by causing more damage than good.



Things are priced different in life because of quality differences, and that same idea applies to cheats. You’re right, no provider can guarantee a cheat to be undetected forever, but some providers will put in that extra work to ensure that the security and performance they offer is the best they can possibly be.

Therefore, not only are you damaging the hard work being put into quality cheats - but you’re falsely stating that price to quality ratio does not exist in Apex cheats. Thanks for spreading some information, but there’s a lot of misinformation in your post.

[PinkyBoo]

Yes luck isn't always the situation for players, and there are different options and methods to the various cheese out there, as you mentioned. I was only talking about how Humanization/Randomization is the same.

The price for cheese doesn't matter, and I'm not here to suggest that at certain price point there are problems, or guarantees for better success, because there isn't. The reason this is true, because this is like saying, we are dictating the cost of the market and how it works. Or that the expensive cheese is done by good developers and inexpensive cheese means they are bad developers.

The Cheese Price Market, works any way, any developer chooses to make it work for them, it is simply sold for what they believe, and belief doesn't always mean better, that is true for anything you buy in this world.

Are we honestly going to tell people that they can't have cheese inexpensively? Of course not, because if a developer wants to sell their software inexpensive, that is their choice to offer it to us. Maybe the confusion, is that the prices we typically see don't reflect lower costs, therefore people assume you can't have it. I can tell you already, I see decent respectful legit developers out there selling their cheese inexpensive.

This is a Market of Consumerism, like any buying/selling market, it's only sold for what people think they can sell it for, and what consumers are willing to pay for it.

[CxCheats]

Anyone concerned about the EA anti- cheat, should really check out our product.

We've spent about a year tuning our features to avoid the server- side heuristics used in the game. (And another year devoted to adding some of the most advanced and exclusive features on the market). The result of our work is simple, our players cannot really get themselves banned, without changing the settings themselves to be absurd.

Just to give you a taste of what I'm talking about... we have a feature that which through playing, learns about your play style, and allows the aimbot to create a profile that combines legitimate input from your KB/ M with that of the software. Over time, your aim will be more realistic and more humanized specifically to your style of play. We have our advanced smoothing engine that randomizes the angles of movement (using reliable pseudo- RNG) every time you ADS or start aiming at another player.

We have a feature called dead- zone which stops the aimbot from overriding your inputs when it is within a predefined circle around the aim target, meaning the bot will help you get to the target, but leave it up to you to finish them off. If you drift off target the aimbot will softly pull you back over so you do not miss shots. We also use pSilent aim which is a well known tactic against the EA anti cheat, as it seems to confuse the AI sufficiently enough to avoid most of the simple scenarios where they would otherwise give a ban.

Link to our thread, if you are up in the air about a cheat, please give us a try.

[Sh3ll T34M]

Originally Posted by RealVal

TL;DR

“Buy $20 cheats, anything higher is a scam because Apex has a serverside anticheat.”

—

Good way to tell people to get banned using a cheap cheat, then go to providers who actually care about customer security and complain about how they are banned because of their cheat, even though they’re HWID banned from the cheap cheat.

You’re spreading information everyone already knows. Angles and statistics have been used by games for years now, there’s nothing new with Apex doing it other than them saying it’s AI. The idea you’re trying to imply about cheaters not knowing how the serverside checks work, and therefore they’re not any safer than cheap cheats is completely incorrect.

The truth is that the serverside AI is nothing special, in fact, it has actually been a huge fail by causing more damage than good.



Things are priced different in life because of quality differences, and that same idea applies to cheats. You’re right, no provider can guarantee a cheat to be undetected forever, but some providers will put in that extra work to ensure that the security and performance they offer is the best they can possibly be.

Therefore, not only are you damaging the hard work being put into quality cheats - but you’re falsely stating that price to quality ratio does not exist in Apex cheats. Thanks for spreading some information, but there’s a lot of misinformation in your post.

there few things are annoying recently in apex cheese community
Resellers that claims to be developers
a Developer who copy past some of his stuff and buy a remapped driver and release a cheese and wont last long
and a developer who know how to organize and get a worldwide reseller just to have ability to focus in investing time to track eac updates game updates catch value for detection and i do Agree about Prices
if the dev investing more time on his own undetected product to keep it safe as much as he can is better than for a dev who work hard at beginning and lay on it till its too late and here comes between an ok price and semi high price and expensive price
at the end of story i don't believe on those 100 USD month cheese that does not make sense

[PinkyBoo]

Originally Posted by Sh3ll T34M

there few things are annoying recently in apex cheese community
Resellers that claims to be developers
a Developer who copy past some of his stuff and buy a remapped driver and release a cheese and wont last long
and a developer who know how to organize and get a worldwide reseller just to have ability to focus in investing time to track eac updates game updates catch value for detection and i do Agree about Prices
if the dev investing more time on his own undetected product to keep it safe as much as he can is better than for a dev who work hard at beginning and lay on it till its too late and here comes between an ok price and semi high price and expensive price
at the end of story i don't believe on those 100 USD month cheese that does not make sense

The whole Reseller Scene is certainly another issue that needs to go away! Seriously, look at the prices many of the developers are charging for cheese, and the simple facts that there are also free website services out there, and blogs, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc., and these developers can't even take the time to put any of this up and properly advertise? Seriously it's not complicated, I can put up everything a cheese application needs across all these platforms in only a few hours, and then you simply get out there and starting spreading the links across the web.

I swear, sometimes, with no pun intended, a lot of it comes across like Cheesy Warez!

Anyhow, it's time to wake people up, so everyone can stop getting ripped off!

70-100 Euro a month for cheese is complete BS!

Enough said!