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02/13/2013 17:48 phantomboot#31
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Originally Posted by botpet View Post
And guess what? HH Attack (or call it HH damage) is bugged the same way: look at zerks, rangers... You guys always love to speak about knights.
Totaly agree. Archer dmg is insane vs a low hh def class.

I rate for fix attack and deff hh bug (and archers will should choose: ele dmg : fuml scion, or HH dmg and full ashtall).
02/13/2013 19:23 Krython#32
OK, I will say what I think about Lv 120 char of every class:
1. Knight - Most OP class atm, tank easy & kill fast (thx to shrine realms)
2. Mage - Get some nice CD and u can own everybody thx to nice buffs and debuffs
3. Archer - All u need is 8 skills and enemy is down, crazy HH dmg and unblockable skills
4. Zerk - Awesome debuffs (for critter) + shrine realms = epic dmg. PS Also nice tank
5. Hunter - Nice heroic dmg, best tank ingame
6. Sorc - One of weakest atm, only huge HP and DOT, low dmg, low resi, low defence, low crit resi etc.
7. Swash - Easy have 80%+ in everything, but low hp and not so high crit
8. Ranger - Nice heroic dmg, nice tank, little lower crit that others and low HP
9. Ele - Nice tank and nice DOT, good HP/defence/crit resi, low resi and not so high dmg
10. Scion(summoner) - Nice tank and also nice dmg, can easy transform from crit to cast build and pwn in pvp 1 vs 1

So what I can say that rebalance wasn't that bad for anybody, maybe humans got litle bit too much. But the thing which made the difference was those shrine realms. Critters became much stronger than casters and I can see that WZ is always making some updates which are good for critters, while casters get nothing good.
02/13/2013 19:33 pumppumpitup#33
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Originally Posted by casucht1 View Post
the prob isnt the overpowered class it is the bug of the hh def. in my opinion every class is ok just knight are unkillable atm because their hh def which is buggged the point isnt the cost i mean i cant kill a lvl 110+ knight and my char was more expensive than of 95% of the 110+ knights i am just thinking about why webzen not fix the hh def bug but i guess it have to be hard for coding or sth like that.

In my opinion Nerfing any class ruins the game.. Example ::Ranger::

Give Elf class some Defense and nothing more..
Ele does not need more dmg with self heal and Highest HH DOT ingame

Just add some Defense... , I do not know how much but a little.

If you make Antimagic blockable or Godlike a %% then you totally ruin those toons.

Fine line between Fair and OP ! !
02/13/2013 20:24 phantomboot#34
My comment in red:

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Originally Posted by Krython View Post
OK, I will say what I think about Lv 120 char of every class:
1. Knight - Most OP class atm, tank easy & kill fast (thx to shrine realms) Just fix HH def bug and it will be good (decrease GoodLike/Energy Barrier time and increase CD a bit: can't be perma)
2. Mage - Get some nice CD and u can own everybody thx to nice buffs and debuffs Downgrade the heal (max 50% for exemple, and it's good)
3. Archer - All u need is 8 skills and enemy is down, crazy HH dmg and unblockable skills Downgrade HH passive, downgrade Restrain % success (50% max with a shorter CD) ... and fix HH dmg bug and it's good.
4. Zerk - Awesome debuffs (for critter) + shrine realms = epic dmg. PS Also nice tank I guess this class is balanced
5. Hunter - Nice heroic dmg, best tank ingame Fix HH def and dmg bug, and it's good.
6. Sorc - One of weakest atm, only huge HP and DOT, low dmg, low resi, low defence, low crit resi etc. Disagree with you (dont forget, sorc is suppose to be a support class). Just fix Dot, reduce Halt % success and Heal max 50%.
7. Swash - Easy have 80%+ in everything, but low hp and not so high crit Put heal in % (max 50%) and can be good i guess.
8. Ranger - Nice heroic dmg, nice tank, little lower crit that others and low HP. Fix HH dmg bug and it's good.
9. Ele - Nice tank and nice DOT, good HP/defence/crit resi, low resi and not so high dmg fix DOT, Heal max 50% and little more ele dmg.
10. Scion(summoner) - Nice tank and also nice dmg, can easy transform from crit to cast build and pwn in pvp 1 vs 1 Fix HH def bug and put more res/ele res (bcoz w/o HH def bug, summoner sux)
11. Slayer - Just need anti stun and fix legendary slayer (can't be perma)
12 - Orbiter - Dunno what this class need but need something...

So what I can say that rebalance wasn't that bad for anybody, maybe humans got litle bit too much. But the thing which made the difference was those shrine realms. Critters became much stronger than casters and I can see that WZ is always making some updates which are good for critters, while casters get nothing good.
02/13/2013 22:36 Mrn1c3guy#35
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Originally Posted by casucht1 View Post
yes because knights are the most overpowered class atm ofc ranger,hunter,archer have crazy hh dmg and that should maybe fixed aswell but the first thing they should do is to fix the hh def i mean how am i supposed to kill a knight ? i have max equip and still have no chance to kill one.


you have maxe equipment ??? Ô.ô ou shiit i think NOT!!!
i was abel to kill some perma knights with my mage AND I DONT USED ANTIMAGIC

so wtf your dmg is to low if the kngiht def is to high for you !!
i bet you not have maximum DMG gear !!!!

and looool to other post antimagic blockabel ?? WTFFFFF

archer debuff reduce more than 1 anti and after anti mage have only 1 usefull debuff (for kill sure move slow is is funny but nowadays not usefull for kill)

mage kill you only with her anti if the one who play mage is fast if you see others ->steph33<- he is fast enought to rebuff !!!!!
02/13/2013 23:18 Voldonx#36
Phantom, I'm just commenting on what you said about my own class, but really, you want to further gimp one of the already worst classes this ep? Oo
02/13/2013 23:47 phantomboot#37
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Originally Posted by Voldonx View Post
Phantom, I'm just commenting on what you said about my own class, but really, you want to further gimp one of the already worst classes this ep? Oo

U play sorc (i'm not sure).
Sorc is not the worst class ! Sorc can kill lot of ppl and in siege, put a sorc + knight + mage + archer + scion (i mean play together) and u kill all ! And sorc is already helpfull ! On no cd, i saw som sorc kill lot of ppl, more than archer/mage/knight !

Reduce halt % succes and heal is not amaizing IF u fix all other skill like i wrote.

U can't see 1 char and not the global opinion. That is the major pbm about rebalance. U have too see all the situation and not just ur class.

Lot of archer will say: dont decrease hp passive, qq about hh pve, qq about fast die... But i say: my poit of view about rebance is global. If u change only 1 char, my proposal sux yeah.
02/14/2013 11:53 WTF-imdoinyamom#38
This really made me laugh

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What kind of pathetic try is this? They dont even make the effort to design a new sign for their 'new item'

Webzen be like, uhuum i gotta make money you kno'
02/14/2013 12:13 steph33#39
you dont like AshItal ? xDDDDDDD
02/14/2013 12:27 Mrn1c3guy#40
maybe they put only wrong pic on event page if you look for combined windfall it also have the wrong pic or not?

but well this item let it suxx so much -.- if i see my staff 7x asthal (15allstats) new would give 7x5 more :O that would be like 2x more slot in weapon with old ashtal
02/14/2013 12:53 Voldonx#41
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Originally Posted by WTF-imdoinyamom View Post
This really made me laugh

What kind of pathetic try is this? They dont even make the effort to design a new sign for their 'new item'

Webzen be like, uhuum i gotta make money you kno'
GmJJ a month ago: Volunteers, I've been thinking about upgrading prayer stones. Like ashtals for instance, they are already very old.

My response: No, that would be a very bad idea + argumentation

GmJJ: oh okay


=> does it anyway -.-
02/14/2013 14:47 steph33#42
so Gm listen you and other V very carefully .. XD
02/14/2013 14:55 phantomboot#43
I want to say: on more time, wz dont listen V.
02/14/2013 16:30 Krython#44
New stone + crazy wc addicts trying to be best = tons of release of agreement to be bought = more wc bought = more cash for webzen GF :D. I would say FK OFF WEBZEN !
02/14/2013 16:46 Withered#45
9. Ele - Nice tank and nice DOT, good HP/defence/crit resi, low resi and not so high dmg
Aha yea sure
1. Sorc has the same DoT even with AS reduction
2. As I already said several times on official forums it's FOR SURE the worst class ingame
I don't get how people can be dumb enough to believe that we're oh-so-OP

Open your fucking eyes! Only Elementje, Drakan, me and some other epicly-geared players are left and we're only capable of surviving cause we're fully gt-ed and experienced players. An average ele with the same gear as any other char in AL would die in any 1 on 1 pvp (maybe except vs a scion/orbiter idk)

We have lower physical dmg, lower def, lower ele dmg, lower HH damage than any other caster
this is a perfectly normal scene vs a normally geared knight. Not to mention the 11-13k crits afer requiem.

Humans need some downgrades and Eles more Ele dmg, Swashs some mroe HP and rangers more MS. That's it.
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