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Tips to Reff
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09/03/2012, 03:45
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Tips to Reff
hi anyone know Tips or Triks for reff succes and dont fail?? can tell me plz this tips and trick plz
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09/03/2012, 04:19
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Have maxed out refine mastery, use refinement epi, use tenderstones. And pray a lot.
Then again, you could just learn why refine is near worthless in 9D, unless you're into shinny ****.
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09/03/2012, 05:59
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its only luck
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09/03/2012, 08:05
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Originally Posted by eyalmp
its only luck
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Wrong. It's "only maths".
For example, assuming x is your base rate of success and the refinement epi+mastery add to the end value and not to the base value, you'd have a success chance of z such that
z=x+x+x*0.35=2.35x
Since you never fail when z is >=100 you then know that for 100% refine sucess all you need is
z>=100 thus, 2.35x>=100 thus x>=100/2.35 thus x>=42.55
If is correct, then given you have all the mentioned items, your chance at a straight +9 is 100%. +10 though only has a bit under 60% chance
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09/03/2012, 15:32
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Originally Posted by josped
Wrong. It's "only maths".
For example, assuming x is your base rate of success and the refinement epi+mastery add to the end value and not to the base value, you'd have a success chance of z such that
z=x+x+x*0.35=2.35x
Since you never fail when z is >=100 you then know that for 100% refine sucess all you need is
z>=100 thus, 2.35x>=100 thus x>=100/2.35 thus x>=42.55
If is correct, then given you have all the mentioned items, your chance at a straight +9 is 100%. +10 though only has a bit under 60% chance
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Bzzzzz. Wrong. I've tried refining on G1->GC and P9D. Tried with both a noob and a char who fitted all the myths, i.e. was suitable for the weapon level, was a different role than the necessary for the weap, had refine mastery researched, on green server, regarding daytime according to weap level, etc, etc. So far I had bigger success with the LS nab . And believe me, by "I've tried", I don't mean I've tried once or twice. IMO There are some things that are to be respected. Everything else is a fairytale. That's IMO only.
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09/03/2012, 18:19
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It's so funny, but I refined my event pole best on hyb ^^ I failed on my gloves 7 times (3x +10, 4x+11 and I don't get it in the end), and I've got pole +11 with only 1 fail at +10. It's strange. Maybe game logic preffers another roles XD
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09/03/2012, 18:30
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i refine my hermit sword to +12+2 with 100% 7/7 so where is the maths?
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09/03/2012, 18:31
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Luck (and rice for LoB, if you know what I mean xD) is everything.
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09/03/2012, 19:36
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Originally Posted by eyalmp
i refine my hermit sword to +12+2 with 100% 7/7 so where is the maths?
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The math is where you couldn't fail until +10. That you managed to do +10, +11 and +12 is just evidence that the RNG rolled higher than your % chance.
There's absolutely no rule that says you can't roll 100% 15x in a row. Same way nothing says you can't roll 1% 9x in a row thus blowing all your scales, tears and weapon away.
Don't kids these days get taught about probabilities and statistics?
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09/03/2012, 20:12
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Originally Posted by josped
The math is where you couldn't fail until +10. That you managed to do +10, +11 and +12 is just evidence that the RNG rolled higher than your % chance.
There's absolutely no rule that says you can't roll 100% 15x in a row. Same way nothing says you can't roll 1% 9x in a row thus blowing all your scales, tears and weapon away.
Don't kids these days get taught about probabilities and statistics?
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They won't. They will learn that when they are 20.
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09/03/2012, 23:04
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Originally Posted by adek1994
Luck (and rice for LoB, if you know what I mean xD) is everything.
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So true
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09/05/2012, 22:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by josped
Wrong. It's "only maths".
For example, assuming x is your base rate of success and the refinement epi+mastery add to the end value and not to the base value, you'd have a success chance of z such that
z=x+x+x*0.35=2.35x
Since you never fail when z is >=100 you then know that for 100% refine sucess all you need is
z>=100 thus, 2.35x>=100 thus x>=100/2.35 thus x>=42.55
If is correct, then given you have all the mentioned items, your chance at a straight +9 is 100%. +10 though only has a bit under 60% chance
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lol WTF is this? z and x? im very bad on math XD
i was listen that in ones coordinates u can have a good reff this is true or falte??
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09/05/2012, 22:18
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Originally Posted by santyagox
lol WTF is this? z and x? im very bad on math XD
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You have to be, that's 6th grade stuff give or take...
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Originally Posted by santyagox
i was listen that in ones coordinates u can have a good reff this is true or falte??
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Depends. If you're from the "reality refinement" quadrant, it's false. If you're from the "mumbo jumbo voodoo refinement" side, then it might be true.
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10/22/2012, 12:20
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Originally Posted by josped
"mumbo jumbo voodoo refinement" .
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mumbo jumbo voodoo LOL
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10/23/2012, 09:30
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Originally Posted by 9D_player
Bzzzzz. Wrong. I've tried refining on G1->GC and P9D. Tried with both a noob and a char who fitted all the myths, i.e. was suitable for the weapon level, was a different role than the necessary for the weap, had refine mastery researched, on green server, regarding daytime according to weap level, etc, etc. So far I had bigger success with the LS nab . And believe me, by "I've tried", I don't mean I've tried once or twice. IMO There are some things that are to be respected. Everything else is a fairytale. That's IMO only.
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Some people are just ment to be retarded.
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