Tips to Reff

santyagox · 09/03/2012, 03:45

hi anyone know Tips or Triks for reff succes and dont fail?? can tell me plz this tips and trick plz

josped · 09/03/2012, 04:19

Have maxed out refine mastery, use refinement epi, use tenderstones. And pray a lot.

Then again, you could just learn why refine is near worthless in 9D, unless you're into shinny ****.

~~eyalmp~~ · 09/03/2012, 05:59

its only luck

josped · 09/03/2012, 08:05

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Originally Posted by eyalmp

its only luck

Wrong. It's "only maths".

For example, assuming x is your base rate of success and the refinement epi+mastery add to the end value and not to the base value, you'd have a success chance of z such that

z=x+x+x*0.35=2.35x

Since you never fail when z is >=100 you then know that for 100% refine sucess all you need is

z>=100 thus, 2.35x>=100 thus x>=100/2.35 thus x>=42.55

If

is correct, then given you have all the mentioned items, your chance at a straight +9 is 100%. +10 though only has a bit under 60% chance

9D_player · 09/03/2012, 15:32

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Originally Posted by josped

Wrong. It's "only maths".

For example, assuming x is your base rate of success and the refinement epi+mastery add to the end value and not to the base value, you'd have a success chance of z such that

z=x+x+x*0.35=2.35x

Since you never fail when z is >=100 you then know that for 100% refine sucess all you need is

z>=100 thus, 2.35x>=100 thus x>=100/2.35 thus x>=42.55

If is correct, then given you have all the mentioned items, your chance at a straight +9 is 100%. +10 though only has a bit under 60% chance

Bzzzzz. Wrong. I've tried refining on G1->GC and P9D. Tried with both a noob and a char who fitted all the myths, i.e. was suitable for the weapon level, was a different role than the necessary for the weap, had refine mastery researched, on green server, regarding daytime according to weap level, etc, etc. So far I had bigger success with the LS nab

. And believe me, by "I've tried", I don't mean I've tried once or twice. IMO There are some things that are to be respected. Everything else is a fairytale. That's IMO only.

Adek · 09/03/2012, 18:19

It's so funny, but I refined my event pole best on hyb ^^ I failed on my gloves 7 times (3x +10, 4x+11 and I don't get it in the end), and I've got pole +11 with only 1 fail at +10. It's strange. Maybe game logic preffers another roles XD

~~eyalmp~~ · 09/03/2012, 18:30

i refine my hermit sword to +12+2 with 100% 7/7 so where is the maths?

Adek · 09/03/2012, 18:31

Luck (and rice for LoB, if you know what I mean xD) is everything.

josped · 09/03/2012, 19:36

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Originally Posted by eyalmp

i refine my hermit sword to +12+2 with 100% 7/7 so where is the maths?

The math is where you couldn't fail until +10. That you managed to do +10, +11 and +12 is just evidence that the RNG rolled higher than your % chance.

There's absolutely no rule that says you can't roll 100% 15x in a row. Same way nothing says you can't roll 1% 9x in a row thus blowing all your scales, tears and weapon away.

Don't kids these days get taught about probabilities and statistics?

Adek · 09/03/2012, 20:12

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Originally Posted by josped

The math is where you couldn't fail until +10. That you managed to do +10, +11 and +12 is just evidence that the RNG rolled higher than your % chance.

There's absolutely no rule that says you can't roll 100% 15x in a row. Same way nothing says you can't roll 1% 9x in a row thus blowing all your scales, tears and weapon away.

Don't kids these days get taught about probabilities and statistics?

They won't. They will learn that when they are 20.

~~eyalmp~~ · 09/03/2012, 23:04

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Originally Posted by adek1994

Luck (and rice for LoB, if you know what I mean xD) is everything.

So true

santyagox · 09/05/2012, 22:05

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Originally Posted by josped

Wrong. It's "only maths".

For example, assuming x is your base rate of success and the refinement epi+mastery add to the end value and not to the base value, you'd have a success chance of z such that

z=x+x+x*0.35=2.35x

Since you never fail when z is >=100 you then know that for 100% refine sucess all you need is

z>=100 thus, 2.35x>=100 thus x>=100/2.35 thus x>=42.55

If is correct, then given you have all the mentioned items, your chance at a straight +9 is 100%. +10 though only has a bit under 60% chance

lol WTF is this? z and x? im very bad on math XD

i was listen that in ones coordinates u can have a good reff this is true or falte??

josped · 09/05/2012, 22:18

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Originally Posted by santyagox

lol WTF is this? z and x? im very bad on math XD

You have to be, that's 6th grade stuff give or take...

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Originally Posted by santyagox

i was listen that in ones coordinates u can have a good reff this is true or falte??

Depends. If you're from the "reality refinement" quadrant, it's false. If you're from the "mumbo jumbo voodoo refinement" side, then it might be true.

miki1i1 · 10/22/2012, 12:20

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Originally Posted by josped

"mumbo jumbo voodoo refinement" .

mumbo jumbo voodoo LOL

Quoda · 10/23/2012, 09:30

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Originally Posted by 9D_player

Bzzzzz. Wrong. I've tried refining on G1->GC and P9D. Tried with both a noob and a char who fitted all the myths, i.e. was suitable for the weapon level, was a different role than the necessary for the weap, had refine mastery researched, on green server, regarding daytime according to weap level, etc, etc. So far I had bigger success with the LS nab . And believe me, by "I've tried", I don't mean I've tried once or twice. IMO There are some things that are to be respected. Everything else is a fairytale. That's IMO only.

Some people are just ment to be retarded.