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Originally Posted by 1h3gam3v1ru5
ok fine, i'll waste my time laying this out in a way u might be able to understand
gear:
- 7/3 suit and gloves
- 7 amp boots
- aop6, eos8, k-red board, bos7s, killian, rol2, 2x cr2
- 7/40 topaz orbs and sig helm
- 1 mcr, 2 rate pet
- maxed out dmg runes including cd, mcr, m.amp and m.atk
yours stats will be:
196 dmg, 62/63 rate, 51 amp and 1180 m.atk
now for your build:
-everything the same except 15/24 helm
your stats will be:
180 dmg, 63/63 rate, 51 amp and 1180 m.atk
so basically you sacrifice 16 dmg to gain 1 rate.
so now lets say you manage to have 7/5 suit and gloves. you gain 5 rate at the expense of 16 damage and end up with 67/67 rate and still 180 dmg.
i took the liberty of running these comparisons through lasthour's dmg calculator only to find that my 7/40 everything build will even out-dps your 67 rate by 3 on terra lance which is your best dps move against a 1000 def player which is not uncommon these days. And my 7/40 build beats your 63 rate build by 35 dps on terra lance.
now would you like to go aura? ok lets do it.
for both builds we can only afford to take off one rate ring, the obvious choice being the rol2 and we replace it with a cr2. This is what happens:
my build's stats:
231 dmg, 63 rate, 1300 m.atk with the rest unchanged
my terra lance dps: 1266 against a 1000 def player in pvp
your build will be:
215 dmg, 63 rate, 1300 m.atk
your terra lance dps: 1214 against a 1000 def player in pvp
now for your ultimate build with 7/5 suit and gloves:
215 dmg, 67 rate, 1300 m.atk
your terra lance dps: 1259 against a 1000 def player in pvp
now i can see your arguing that you would take your helm off and put a 40 dmg helm on instead of swapping the rol2 for a cr2. ok lets do that, you will gain 1 crit dmg.
216 dmg, 63 rate and 1300 m.atk
terra lance dps: 1217
216 dmg, 67 rate, 1300 m.atk
terra lance dps: 1262
Now, as you should very easily be able to see, my build beats yours in absolutely every way. Feel free to download lasthours calculator and re-run my tests and make sure to round numbers properly. I hope this will be a lesson for you about knowing when to shut your mouth. If not, I look forward to beating your ass again
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Where to start
Remember when you are doing calculations my total rate (even not counted is 75 Rate compared to your 62 total rate).
Also it would be interesting to know how you get 1180 magic when it actually gives 1138 using your own buffs,no pots or other buffs and +15 weapons,k-Red,max damage runes,Bos7's, EoS8 and killians.
Moving on
Why move to pvp when this is about PVE and dungeons but np I will follow as you ask since you have no fight left so here goes. When you calculate PVP DPS you have to account for both players defense (high Level TG the defense is 1.5times the normal amount using the last patch on EU as the base for this.) then there is the resists which every player has so working it out with no resists and in a standard PVP situation in a normal map (war maps included but not TG map) and using Terra Lance as you have done gives the following DPS.
Combo 7/40 helm does Average - 993 (Total DPS 1043), Crit -1325 damage (Total Crit DPS is 1391) and the 15/24 does Average - 957 (Total DPS 1005), Crit -1254 (Total Crit DPS 1316).
Now lets use HR20 Spirit intension and resist intention totaling 18 resist rate,51 resist cd and 5 resist amp.
Leaving your build with 44rate,145CD and 46amp
7/40 = drops to Average 713 (Total DPS 749),Crit 1063 (Total Crit DPS 1117)
Leaving my build with 57rate,129CD and 46amp.
15/24 = drops to Average 755 (Total DPS 793), Crit 994 (total DPS 1044)
Now my normal DPS and Average damage (Non crits is far higher than yours using the same stats but the crits are in your favor but the problem with your build is you have less than 44 rate where as I maintain my 50+ rate even when the resists are applied meaning my crits will have a higher change of landing than your own so even at a lower total DPS per crit on terra lance my extra 13rate gives me a far higher chance of landing more crits than you could. So even If I land 1 extra crit than you in a pvp against the same def player with the same resists I would win as my non crit hits are also higher than yours making your build fail hard in this section.
Now for Aura where your build can only change one crit ring mine can change both rings and maintain a nice and healthy crit rate.
But lets work on your 3xcr and killian stats.
7/40 = Average 1273 (Total DPS 1336) Crit 1713 (Total 1799) before resists - after resists Crit 1407 (Total 1477)
15/24 = Average 1221 (Total DPS 1282) Crit 1631 (Total 1712) before resists - after resists Crit 1327 (Total 1393)
As you pointed out using a 40 damage helm when in aura on my build beats yours so your build also my build beats yours against in a pvp with a 1k def player who has resists. Making it 2-1 to my set up but np you carry on thinking you are right.
Time for a little more schooling for you.
Now as Wiz is a CD build class lets change the Bos7's for something more fun like the new Prid braclets each giving 1% MCR as standard and lets work with 3x7%cd on each prid = 42%extra CD and 2%MCR but a loss of 6 M.attack.
Using your stats above - the Magic and amp from the bos7's and adding the new stats from the prid's this gives us the following.
~Your set up = 1174 Magic, 35 amp , 238 CD and 62/65 rate
~ My set up = 1174 Magic, 35 amp , 222 CD and 65/65 rate
(Remember the Add damage is also removed as well)
Now the same skill is used (lvl 20 terra Lance)
~ Yours Average 983 (Total DPS 1032) Crit 1342 (Total Crit DPS 1410)
~ Mine Average 1058 (Total DPS 1111) Crit 1279 (Total Crit DPS 1343)
Now with Resists
~ Yours Average 698 (Total DPS 733) Crit 1100 (Total DPS 1155)
~ Mine Average 756 (Total DPS 794) Crit 1038 (Total DPS 1090)
Now for Aura with 3xcr and Killian
~ Yours Average 1283 (Total DPS 1348) Crit 1726 (Total Crit DPS 1812)
~ Mine Average 1378 (Total DPS 1447) Crit 1652 (Total Crit DPS 1734)
Now with my set up using a 40 cd helm in aura as above.
Stats
~ Yours of course does not change
~ Mine changes to 1174 Mattack, 45 Rate and 253 CD (before Aura's bonus is applied)
Damage
~ Yours does not change since you are using a 7/40 helm
~Mine changes to Average 1283 (Total DPS 1348) Crit 1726 (Total Crit DPS 1812)
As you have noted this is the same as yours but if you look closely you lose 15 rate and gain 15 CD using 3 rings and keeping your helm. I lose 30 rate (from my total of 75 Rate even though only 65 will be applied) meaning my rate gets boosted back up to my full 65% Max Rate while gaining the same amount of CD as you.
Now that is on your numbers remember and as anyone can see the 15/24 helm is a far better choice to use in all situations as proven above on an up to date damage calculator and not Last hours out of date one.
Also note Damage calculators do not take in to account the crit rate calculations that the server does when it applies resists and other things before giving the damage shown on screen. Even 1% rate can mean the difference between a crit hit or not. These calculations are done on a damage calculator and not in a live situation and without owning a P.Server using the current Server files these numbers are only done as advice and nothing more they are not written in stone but numbers do not lie.
This will be the last reply I give you as trying to convince someone who is so strong headed in believing that a full 7/40 set up is the best after all that is your opinion and you are human to have such things even if my opinion is that you are wrong you will not change that.
