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[ronnliam]

Originally Posted by persesvx

So your argument that anti cheats are not struggling to detect 2PC solutions is that people got banned for using makcu on 1PC? A device not designed for 1PC use.



Those users were banned because they used Makcu on a 1PC setup even though its (MAKCU, Ferrum, MAKXD, etc) designed for 2PC use. "Detecting the COM drivers" requires it to be connected to the main PC so this does not prove that 2PC setups are easy to detect as in a 2PC setup there is no "COM Driver" on main PC. Youre mixing up 1PC and 2PC detection risk.

You either lack the technical knowledge to understand why the ban happened or your trying to push your “1PC scripts are better because I sell one” agenda. Im guessing its the second one so im going to leave it at that as I dont think this conversation will lead anywhere and i cant answer to one more ai generated answer.

Side note for anyone else reading this: my claim that anti cheats struggle to detect 2PC solutions is based on Vanguards developers stating this themselves in one of their videos and other ACs like EAC and Faceit recently adding heuristic based "AI" anti cheat measures. This indicates that they cannot simply ban people for using these devices. To date there has not been a single ban wave for these devices (In a 2PC or similar setup). Kinda indicates that 2PC solutions are safer (depending on the device) BUT even those will not protect you from heuristic based or manual bans.

Apologies, I didn't mean 2pc, I just meant hardware in general.

My original point was never "1pc beats 2pc", it was that there are 1pc scripts currently UD and working fine, so "safe" is a fair word for them. that still stands. past that its just preference, convenience vs a bit less footprint.

Not pushing my own stuff, just where I land on it. Half the reason kids run to alibaba for a makcu is cause a lot of devs never actually cracked 1pc mouse movement, so hardware just became the go to answer. Thats a dev issue not a "1pc cant do it" issue. Done right 1pc movement is fine, which is literally why there's multiple 1pc scripts sat UD right now. The whole "you need hardware to be safe" thing is more cope from people who couldn't do it in software than an actual limitation.

Good discussion either way.

[persesvx]

Originally Posted by ronnliam

Where I'd actually push back is the idea that EAC, Faceit and Vanguard are "struggling" to detect 2PC solutions. They're not really struggling at all.

Originally Posted by ronnliam

Apologies, I didn't mean 2pc, I just meant hardware in general.

You didnt "mean" 2PC even though that is literally what you said multiple times. Even if you mean hardware in general it makes even less sense. Please reread what you wrote.

Originally Posted by ronnliam

past that its just preference, convenience vs a bit less footprint.

Calling it "convenience versus a bit less footprint" is misleading so I will try to explain it as simply as possible since you seem to struggle with the technicalities around anti cheats and risks (which kind of worries me given youre a bigger seller).

With a 1PC script the script runs on the same PC as the anti cheat. The anti cheat has kernel level access and can inspect all activity on that PC. This gives the script a much bigger detection surface. Like EVERY 1PC script/cheat in the history of cheating this will eventually get detected. This is NOT you doing something wrong. Thats the eventual outcome for all well-known public cheats. Nobody can get around this.

With a 2PC setup the script runs on a separate device. The anti cheat runs on PC1 while the script runs on PC2. The anti cheat cannot detect what it cant see. The only thing left here is for the anti cheat to rely on heuristics which ofc also affect 1PC. (Here it is important to mention that it depends on which mouse device you use.)

Calling that "a bit less footprint" is quite a big understatement. A properly configured 2PC setup has close to no footprint on the main PC.

HOWEVER, the issue is that youre constantly trying to downplay the advantages of 2PC since it does not suit you. Its pretty clear from this conversation that you are ready to ignore facts just to paint a picture where what you are selling is the best by downplaying the advantages of other products which IMO only makes your product look bad.

Realistic objective viewpoint:

The advantage of 1PC scripts is convenience. Its plug and play. The advantage of 2PC setups is a smaller detection surface and a lower likelihood of being banned. That does not make 2PC completely safe because heuristic and manual bans are still possible which also applies to 1PC.

Originally Posted by ronnliam

Half the reason kids run to alibaba for a makcu is cause a lot of devs never actually cracked 1pc mouse movement, so hardware just became the go to answer. Thats a dev issue not a "1pc cant do it" issue.

There are public resources showing how to implement 1PC mouse movement. The issue is not whether it can be done. The issue is whether it can provide the same level of safety as keeping the script off the main PC.

It cannot.

Originally Posted by ronnliam

The whole "you need hardware to be safe" thing is more cope from people who couldn't do it in software than an actual limitation.

I just explained the actual limitation. Hardware is not used only because developers cannot make mouse movement work in software. It is used because moving the script to a separate device removes the biggest detection surface of a 1PC solution.

[ronnliam]

Originally Posted by persesvx

I just explained the actual limitation. Hardware is not used only because developers cannot make mouse movement work in software. It is used because moving the script to a separate device removes the biggest detection surface of a 1PC solution.

Im not downplaying anything, Im telling you how I see it. I agree with most of your technical points. 2pc has a smaller detection surface, no argument there. I was never saying 1pc is technically as safe as running off a second device, thats obviously not the case.

My point is whether its worth it. if it gets to the point where you need a second pc or hardware just to control recoil, ask yourself, is it really worth it? for me no. for hundreds of others it clearly is cause they run hardware, and that's fine, that's just my opinion on it.

"convenience vs a bit less footprint" wasn't me trying to twist anything. I see the trade off as convenience against a smaller footprint. I get why you read that as downplaying but it wasn't the intent.

So we mostly agree really. 1pc is convenience, 2pc is a smaller surface. where we differ is whether that surface is worth the hassle, and that's always gonna come down to the person.

I will say 1PC when done with the right tech can be safe for the most part. As you said, anything 1PC can/will eventually get detected or cause bans.

[InSynq]

The safest way to script imho:

2 PC Macku/Arduino/Ferrum Scripts

Yeah sure there is 1 pc scripts that haven't been dtc for a long time.

Your safest bet honestly would be to go the 2pc route.

Some people don't want DMA/Radar/ESP etc., and they just want to script.

1PC Macku recently got hit through com ports (i heard),
I'd just recommend 2PC, theres lethality, pegasus, a bunch more you can find in the legit providers section.

I put a friend onto Pegasus Scripts (No I do not work for them or resell them), and hes used it for quite some time. He was using his macku only, and he loved it.

Grey area for 1PC scripts, I feel like they're not as heavily targeted anymore because of the fact that DMA/1PC Cheats are "taking over" and thats more of the bigger problem.

Recoil is easily controllable crouch and pulling down at 100M, so I feel like this isn't too big of a problem anymore.