[UNOFFICIAL] List Of Legit and Scam Providers List

[AnonUser30]

Are we really starting the beef again. Happens every 5-10 pages. How about if they don’t even care about being on the list remove evilcheats from the list. Since everyone wants to ***** and moan and it’s affecting the list in negative ways..

[!nvictus-Load]

Originally Posted by lort1234

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You are genuinely full of shit, and it shows in every paragraph. Let me go through your points real quick.

1. EC is untrusted because I was kicked from their Discord.
So you admit the entire decision is based on your ego and nothing else. No detection, no scam, no issue.. just you getting removed. That alone shows your list is worthless. I could already stop here but let’s look at the other points.

2. We had an agreement that I’ll never be kicked.
There was no contract, no written agreement, nothing. You were in the Discord as long as you behaved normally. Once you started acting biased, shilling NBT, and talking down EC while pretending to be neutral, you were removed. End of story.
You were not some official inspector. You were a guest. Stop pretending otherwise.

3. Mass customer complaints.
The mass complaints you keep crying about are the same three people from a year ago (Astro, Warlord, Fed), one of which is back at EC and happy.
There are no new complaints. You are recycling old drama to justify your explosion of emotions.

4. NBT was tier 1 but EC wasn’t.
You didn’t answer questions. You praised NBT’s history while ignoring EC’s decade-long record. You praised their menu while shitting on another cheat that uses the same style.
Your double standards were obvious to everyone, that’s why you were removed.

5. Since I was banned, I can’t confirm complaints, so untrusted.
This logic is beyond stupid.
Nothing changed about the product.
No bans, no detection, no scam, no issues.
The only thing that changed is your personal access.
So you punished EC because you can’t lurk anymore. That’s not safety, that’s petty.

6. No new features in 1.5–2 years.
You don’t even use the product, so you have no idea what is added or changed. Half the things you are claiming are outdated or simply wrong.
And even if development slowed, that has nothing to do with trustworthiness.
Being untrusted because a menu update was not fast enough?
You are delusional.

7. Refunds for gamebans and Hercules issues.
You don’t know shit about Hercules nor does any customer. You are repeating Discord rumors like a child.
We show live ban stats and detection logs publicly, surprise, no mass bans, no waves, nothing.
If there were actual issues, there would be real evidence, not my sources told me.

8. Mass bans of users from Discord.
People get banned for breaking rules. We enforce our rules on our private cheat very thoroughly.
Just because we don’t publish a spreadsheet for you doesn’t mean anything.
You are demanding proof for bans in a private Discord server like you are some kind of authority. You are NOT.

9. I defended EC before.
Yeah, and now you attack EC because your feelings got hurt.
Your defense changes depending on whether you anre inside the Discord or outside it.
That tells everyone everything they need to know about your credibility.



TLDR:
You didn’t list EC as untrusted because of safety, complaints, detections, or anything factual.
You did it because you got kicked, threw a tantrum, and needed a justification.
Your entire post is emotional, biased, and built on outdated drama and rumors.

You are full of shit, and everyone can see it.

[Cotto45]

What's unfortunate about this entire thing @ is that the drama involving EC discord was enough for you to place them on the untrusted section but when all the AimMaster drama was (is) unveiling you didn't move them from the list but just changed them to 'Unknown' have to keep the ego and biases aside when controlling these lists as the user base does have reliance on your opinion and creation of the list.

[alexpsp00]

Originally Posted by Cotto45

What's unfortunate about this entire thing @ is that the drama involving EC discord was enough for you to place them on the untrusted section but when all the AimMaster drama was (is) unveiling you didn't move them from the list but just changed them to 'Unknown' have to keep the ego and biases aside when controlling these lists as the user base does have reliance on your opinion and creation of the list.

drama vs detection

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

TLDR:
You didn’t list EC as untrusted because of safety, complaints, detections, or anything factual.
You did it because you got kicked, threw a tantrum, and needed a justification.
Your entire post is emotional, biased, and built on outdated drama and rumors.

You are full of shit, and everyone can see it.

You can read the thread though to see that there are plenty of issues with EC atleast according to users. Most people who bring the issues to attention simply get banned from the cheat.

I dont see how he threw any tantrums and i still dont understand why he was removed from your discord in the first place.

The only reason for me even responding to this is because i dont think lort deserves the hate when he is trying to maintain the list, youve already made him remove the tiers even though you were listed as a tier 2 provider. Whats it going to take? Do you want to run this list?

My first interaction with EC was your staff calling my product pasted because I use a self hosted open source crypto payment processor... I can only imagine what your users have to deal with.

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

You are genuinely full of shit, and it shows in every paragraph. Let me go through your points real quick.

1. EC is untrusted because I was kicked from their Discord.
So you admit the entire decision is based on your ego and nothing else. No detection, no scam, no issue.. just you getting removed. That alone shows your list is worthless. I could already stop here but let’s look at the other points.

2. We had an agreement that I’ll never be kicked.
There was no contract, no written agreement, nothing. You were in the Discord as long as you behaved normally. Once you started acting biased, shilling NBT, and talking down EC while pretending to be neutral, you were removed. End of story.
You were not some official inspector. You were a guest. Stop pretending otherwise.

3. Mass customer complaints.
The mass complaints you keep crying about are the same three people from a year ago (Astro, Warlord, Fed), one of which is back at EC and happy.
There are no new complaints. You are recycling old drama to justify your explosion of emotions.

4. NBT was tier 1 but EC wasn’t.
You didn’t answer questions. You praised NBT’s history while ignoring EC’s decade-long record. You praised their menu while shitting on another cheat that uses the same style.
Your double standards were obvious to everyone, that’s why you were removed.

5. Since I was banned, I can’t confirm complaints, so untrusted.
This logic is beyond stupid.
Nothing changed about the product.
No bans, no detection, no scam, no issues.
The only thing that changed is your personal access.
So you punished EC because you can’t lurk anymore. That’s not safety, that’s petty.

6. No new features in 1.5–2 years.
You don’t even use the product, so you have no idea what is added or changed. Half the things you are claiming are outdated or simply wrong.
And even if development slowed, that has nothing to do with trustworthiness.
Being untrusted because a menu update was not fast enough?
You are delusional.

7. Refunds for gamebans and Hercules issues.
You don’t know shit about Hercules nor does any customer. You are repeating Discord rumors like a child.
We show live ban stats and detection logs publicly, surprise, no mass bans, no waves, nothing.
If there were actual issues, there would be real evidence, not my sources told me.

8. Mass bans of users from Discord.
People get banned for breaking rules. We enforce our rules on our private cheat very thoroughly.
Just because we don’t publish a spreadsheet for you doesn’t mean anything.
You are demanding proof for bans in a private Discord server like you are some kind of authority. You are NOT.

9. I defended EC before.
Yeah, and now you attack EC because your feelings got hurt.
Your defense changes depending on whether you anre inside the Discord or outside it.
That tells everyone everything they need to know about your credibility.



TLDR:
You didn’t list EC as untrusted because of safety, complaints, detections, or anything factual.
You did it because you got kicked, threw a tantrum, and needed a justification.
Your entire post is emotional, biased, and built on outdated drama and rumors.

You are full of shit, and everyone can see it.

1. Read the whole thing i wrote once again..
2. There was an agreement and no there was no "contract", but there definitely was an agreement and i even posted a screenshot of it...
3. It's not the same users as before, if you go back some pages you will also see other people complain about it, EvilCheats is probably the cheat that is most complained about on this thread..
4. Im not gonna start the same discussion i did once before about nbt, i have changed the list since then.
5. Read 1 again.
6. I didn't have to use the product to look at the changelog channel in the discord and/or see people complaining about missing features in your discord.
7. Yes you show live stats publicly in your discord, that stat also shows that there is a % of users getting banned everyday or so, and it still doesn't change the change some users have been getting gamebans and then refunds because you either didn't wanna deal with them or they couldn't be helped. (Your "purges" of users breaking TOS, kinda feed this arguement too)
8. I have never demanded any proof, unless there was a direct complain about EC that a user have pointed in my way, however it still doesn't change that users are getting banned left and right for "Breaking TOS" or as i see it "A universal reason to do whatever the F you wanna do".
9. EvilCheats wouldn't have been placed in the untrusted section, even after all of the issues with users, menu, gamebans & "TOS" bans.. But because you broke an agreement we made about a year ago, i as i have said multiple times am not able to confirm anything anymore and with a provider that have so much bad attention at them all the time, i believe it's a must.. But ofc you wanted to again start drama where no drama was needed and here we are again..

TLDR:
I have already told you why i placed EvilCheats in the untrusted section.
I don't agree with your view.

Ps. Incredible how much you care about your public imagine or how big your ego is, because you are the one that keeps saying everyone few months that your don't even care about the list or any public "opinion" since your product is private anyways and your customers know what a good product is or whatever you always say.

Originally Posted by Cotto45

What's unfortunate about this entire thing @ is that the drama involving EC discord was enough for you to place them on the untrusted section but when all the AimMaster drama was (is) unveiling you didn't move them from the list but just changed them to 'Unknown' have to keep the ego and biases aside when controlling these lists as the user base does have reliance on your opinion and creation of the list.

I forgot about AimMaster, will change them to detected.

Originally Posted by AnonUser30

Are we really starting the beef again. Happens every 5-10 pages. How about if they don’t even care about being on the list remove evilcheats from the list. Since everyone wants to bitch and moan and it’s affecting the list in negative ways..

Im not gonna give in to providers attack me, just because they want me to change something on the list in regards to them.

As it is right now the list is 100% unbiased, anyone saying anything else clearly cannot use their own eyes.

[HVH_KINGPIN_NN_BLASTER]

Its a classic situation. ACUS realizes he is a ******* idiot and when a cheat better in literally every way (except EC being out for an extra year) comes out he throws a temper tantrum. In general his remark was complaints about every other cheats bypass (and how they lack spoofers, are not a true bypass, or whatever the ****). When the competition has a similar bypass to his, he cannot use this powerful debate tactic and as such falls over rewriting a menu to make it look like some **** chatgpt made using electron (with his history of using webviews, it probably is). Putting a new menu wont make the cheat any better. Personally i think we need to stop being ******* and settle the drama in a reasonable way. 5v5 hvh tourney, EC vs NBT, winner picks others placement on the list.

TLDR: Gear up or shut up *****.

[lort1234]

Originally Posted by HVH_KINGPIN_NN_BLASTER

Its a classic situation. ACUS realizes he is a ******* idiot and when a cheat better in literally every way (except EC being out for an extra year) comes out he throws a temper tantrum. In general his remark was complaints about every other cheats bypass (and how they lack spoofers, are not a true bypass, or whatever the ****). When the competition has a similar bypass to his, he cannot use this powerful debate tactic and as such falls over rewriting a menu to make it look like some **** chatgpt made using electron (with his history of using webviews, it probably is). Putting a new menu wont make the cheat any better. Personally i think we need to stop being ******* and settle the drama in a reasonable way. 5v5 hvh tourney, EC vs NBT, winner picks others placement on the list.

TLDR: Gear up or shut up *****.

Funny idea.

[!nvictus-Load]

Originally Posted by alexpsp00

drama vs detection



You can read the thread though to see that there are plenty of issues with EC atleast according to users. Most people who bring the issues to attention simply get banned from the cheat.

I dont see how he threw any tantrums and i still dont understand why he was removed from your discord in the first place.

The only reason for me even responding to this is because i dont think lort deserves the hate when he is trying to maintain the list, youve already made him remove the tiers even though you were listed as a tier 2 provider. Whats it going to take? Do you want to run this list?

My first interaction with EC was your staff calling my product pasted because I use a self hosted open source crypto payment processor... I can only imagine what your users have to deal with.

We didn’t make him remove tiers.
He did that entirely on his own because he couldn’t handle being questioned about the double standards he created. At no point did we ask, pressure, or demand that he remove tiers. That was his decision after people called out the inconsistencies.

As for plenty of issues:
If you actually read the thread instead of repeating the same old talking points, you would see it’s the same handful of users from a year ago, some of whom were banned, refunded, or literally back using EC again. There is was never a mass wave of complaints, no detections, no safety issues. It’s the same recycled drama again.

And the idea that everyone who brings up issues gets banned is simply false. People get banned for breaking terms. That’s normal moderation, not some conspiracy.

No tantrums? Flipping a provider’s status to untrusted purely because he was kicked without any new evidence, detection, proof, or recent event is the definition of a tantrum. The timing speaks for itself.

I do not want to run this list nor did I ever wanted to be on this list, now I am on this list and I’m allowed to speak for Evilcheats, if he removes me, it’s a different story.

My staff called your website pasted because the port for your self-hosted open-source payment processor was exposed publicly. That’s basic laziness and objectively bad security.
And let’s not pretend you were innocent after that.. You bragged about DDoSing his blood sugar monitoring website and then wished death on him.
So if you want to talk about what users have to deal with, maybe start there.

[AnonUser30]

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

We didn’t make him remove tiers.
He did that entirely on his own because he couldn’t handle being questioned about the double standards he created. At no point did we ask, pressure, or demand that he remove tiers. That was his decision after people called out the inconsistencies.

As for plenty of issues:
If you actually read the thread instead of repeating the same old talking points, you would see it’s the same handful of users from a year ago, some of whom were banned, refunded, or literally back using EC again. There is was never a mass wave of complaints, no detections, no safety issues. It’s the same recycled drama again.

And the idea that everyone who brings up issues gets banned is simply false. People get banned for breaking terms. That’s normal moderation, not some conspiracy.

No tantrums? Flipping a provider’s status to untrusted purely because he was kicked without any new evidence, detection, proof, or recent event is the definition of a tantrum. The timing speaks for itself.

I do not want to run this list nor did I ever wanted to be on this list, now I am on this list and I’m allowed to speak for Evilcheats, if he removes me, it’s a different story.

My staff called your website pasted because the port for your self-hosted open-source payment processor was exposed publicly. That’s basic laziness and objectively bad security.
And let’s not pretend you were innocent after that.. You bragged about DDoSing his blood sugar monitoring website and then wished death on him.
So if you want to talk about what users have to deal with, maybe start there.

So no 5v5 hvh orrrr? Nice dodge cuck

[alexpsp00]

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

And let’s not pretend you were innocent after that.. You bragged about DDoSing his blood sugar monitoring website and then wished death on him.
So if you want to talk about what users have to deal with, maybe start there.

It was proxied, exact same setup as my current processor you are welcome to check yourself with nmap or similar, but you believe whatever you wish mr.

As for this blood sugar monitor that was Linus which although involved in the project was not me. (Linus never dealt with customers for this very reason)

[!nvictus-Load]

Originally Posted by AnonUser30

So no 5v5 hvh orrrr? Nice dodge cuck

This ain’t about NBT, it’s a good cheat and has a unique bypass. ARM emulation is new and they surely won’t catch onto that anytime soon. 🤫

Originally Posted by alexpsp00

It was proxied, exact same setup as my current processor you are welcome to check yourself with nmap or similar, but you believe whatever you wish mr.

As for this blood sugar monitor that was Linus which although involved in the project was not me. (Linus never dealt with customers for this very reason)

Same as my staff Ross who is involved in the project but not me. 😊

[alexpsp00]

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

Same as my staff Ross who is involved in the project but not me. 😊

lol he was not the only staff acting this way, only the tip of the iceberg but oh well.

[HVH_KINGPIN_NN_BLASTER]

Enough talk about bypasses and menus. Why are we dodging the HVH tourney? You can have all the prep time you want (do not go on a rant about how you have no rage features, NBT has none either)

[!nvictus-Load]

Originally Posted by alexpsp00

lol he was not the only staff acting this way, only the tip of the iceberg but oh well.

For sure, I can guarantee you that none of my staff would wish death on anybody but they are also all grown up. You being hung up in my staff pointing out an exposed payment-system url is meh.

[alexpsp00]

Originally Posted by !nvictus-Load

For sure, I can guarantee you that none of my staff would wish death on anybody but they are also all grown up. You being hung up in my staff pointing out an exposed payment-system url is meh.

They pointed out something not true while sperging at another provider for no reason, real nice staff. Youve clearly made up your mind on this but this is a re occuring issue hopefully you will realize the cause of that one day.