[Tutorial] How to ask

Hi!

I never though I had to make this tutorial, but you really need it.

Many people think that when they ask something the others are obligated to answer it and that's wrong.

Many questions are 2 words: "How fix?" and if the person is good enough in english he/she will use a verb: "How to fix?". When I see those questions I (and I bet some other developers) start loosing faith in humanity. Why? Because it seems that everyone want the code fully working and bug free and the developer as his/her personal assistan.

We (developers, not you, final users) have invest thousands of hour, tons of effort and universes of love in learning how to make the things you use (or steal...) without having to care in a SINGLE line of code because we've done the impossible to keep it bug free.

But what happens when there's a bug? All people ask those 2-3 words, and many of them don't even read other's questions, because 90% of times have been fixed. And I (and I assume EVERY developer else) don't have time (nor motivation) enough to help him/her with the bug, why? Because it they don't put enough effort in asking, and this is very important, a good question is what we see the first and indicates the IQ of the person who asks it.

We (developers, not you, final users) are always busy in updating the tool/bot/ps/whatever to fit YOUR amenitives (Google Translator's word, "comodidades" in spanish) so keep that in mind befor asking.

So... How to ask? First you need to prove you deserve the answer, how you do this? Reading the fucking manual, searching the fucking web and reading other's fucking questions.
As I said before many questions are already answered and just make nothing but more spam.
Others aren't answered but the solution is as easy as using Google (Google is the enemy, better Duck Duck Go). I remember once I released DarkOrbit Remix PS 3.0 and as I coded it under linux the path to a library was wrong, well a guy used Google and found out the solution, he also made a thread explaining how he fixed it (you can find it by searching "How to fix Manulaiko's DarkOrbit Remix PS 3.0 beta preview" or something like that).

If everyone searched the fucking web, read the fucking manual or read other's fucking question the spam in the threads would be reduced singnificantly.

If you have already searched and found nothing a simple "How fix?" won't help, you will need to provide information in what are you trying to do and what's the error, otherwhise we won't have enough time/motivation to guess the error and fix it.

And always, always and I mean always be polited and clear in your questions. A good place to learn how to ask is [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

If there are more questions read this (was writed by a hacker so the attitude is similar to developers of not the same): [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Final note to little-horse, add a link to this thread in the PS Info and Support thread if you find this usefull.

See you!

tl;dr don't be an idiot and ask questions, not words. Know the shit you're working on.


But now for real, which 12 year old kid, that thinks he's the BoSsxDDdd will read this. I pretty much appreciate your activity on this forum, but I'm not sure if newbies will. In fact, there are people who only translate through translate.google.com and don't even know English (2015 and no one knows nothin' 'bout English, fuck this. Where are these people living :I ).
Though, I hope someone will have the time and patience to read this. I mean... why are there guys making hard work when some other people won't give a shit.

Some people are parasites, some people are sharing.

how fix english?

But...how read?

In all seriousness though. I like the effort you put in this, it sadly isn't going to change a thing. Those people won't read this thread (which is very, very likely). They find that the easiest way to fix a problem, is by asking the person who created the program. Or just asking in general. Sadly, it is the tone and the lack of motivation (which is by all means fine) which people don't want to help them. Because it becomes too much.

Helping people is fine. But when 100 people ask the same thing? Nah. Totally understandable when they could indeed search it up. If at best (and what I usually did), is have a bookmark/selected quotes already prepared so I can just link them.

An F.A.Q of sorts.

This is probably really messy (my writing, so bare with me :p)

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Originally Posted by Arby But...how read? In all seriousness though. I like the effort you put in this, it sadly isn't going to change a thing. Those people won't read this thread (which is very, very likely). They find that the easiest way to fix a problem, is by asking the person who created the program. Or just asking in general. Sadly, it is the tone and the lack of motivation (which is by all means fine) which people don't want to help them. Because it becomes too much. Helping people is fine. But when 100 people ask the same thing? Nah. Totally understandable when they could indeed search it up. If at best (and what I usually did), is have a bookmark/selected quotes already prepared so I can just link them. An F.A.Q of sorts. This is probably really messy (my writing, so bare with me :p)

I assume that none will read this post that's why when someone ask "forbidden questions" I'll give them the link to this thread so they can read it, and until they don't read it (and ask properly) I won't give a real answer, but if it's just me who do this it will be useless so I ask everyone that agrees with me to do the same thing.

See you!

just education....

I dont see what is so 'interesting' in this tread?
You are the developer, we are the users, so it's not our business what's ur fuckin job and what are u doing, since we are the fucking USERS.. All we have to do is to use ur service, because this is ur fuckin job SO stop crying. Also, you can't learn the retards, who don't know a single english word with an ENGLISH THREAD O.O. Nothing personally, ur english is not even 10/10 to make such a thread, furthermore ur thread is COMPLETELY useless. I can prove with some reasons:
The idiots who are supposed to read this CAN'T READ IT LOL
You are writing about bug begging, which is forbidden, which is not ur F*****G business, because there are tons of moderators, who are going to close it immediately! I'll repeat - u are a developer (u have chosen to be one) NOT a moderator.
Few more things...
Why should we fuckin care about the code lines u write? You chose to be developer right? you said it - we are the final users, we dont have to give a shiet about how u create ur services -.-
I want to ask u sth.. lol! How the heck u decided that asking a question can indicate ur IQ ROFL. This is the stupidest thing ive seen today. I am sure 90% of the people here (expect retarded ones) can ask the same question with 3 or 30 words, BUT THEY DONT want to waste time, because its just a forum in the internet, not an application for a job for ex.
So... yes.. retards are annoying, but this can't change the fact ur thread is useless.
(15y M studying IT & developing;~144 IQ)

First of all,

as you said like 90 times ofc, we're the developers and in my case like manulaiko everything that we made was released for free, thats the first point that doesn't let you complain about anything. In the other hand that means too that we can chose aswell who is going to use the tool or whatever, anyways we're not the ones that will be crying at the end.

Then, this is a forum and i'm sure that the 100% of the people that reads this won't understand that reaction, so probably your IQ is even lower than manulaiko.

And of course our english is not perfect, we're both spanish, so if you're english i'll love to see you writing in a different language 'aswell' as we try.

Regards

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Originally Posted by S7K Yuuki First of all, as you said like 90 times ofc, we're the developers and in my case like manulaiko everything that we made was released for free, thats the first point that doesn't let you complain about anything. In the other hand that means too that we can chose aswell who is going to use the tool or whatever, anyways we're not the ones that will be crying at the end. Then, this is a forum and i'm sure that the 100% of the people that reads this won't understand that reaction, so probably your IQ is even lower than manulaiko. And of course our english is not perfect, we're both spanish, so if you're english i'll love to see you writing in a different language 'aswell' as we try. Regards

im not english, im bulgarian
where have u noticed 'intelligence' in manulaiko's post? he is complaining about the WORST part of the community, which can be done by a regular guy lol

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You are the developer, we are the users, so it's not our business what's ur fuckin job and what are u doing, since we are the fucking USERS.. All we have to do is to use ur service, because this is ur fuckin job SO stop crying. Also, you can't learn the retards, who don't know a single english word with an ENGLISH THREAD O.O. Nothing personally, ur english is not even 10/10 to make such a thread, furthermore ur thread is COMPLETELY useless. I can prove with some reasons: The idiots who are supposed to read this CAN'T READ IT LOL You are writing about bug begging, which is forbidden, which is not ur F*****G business, because there are tons of moderators, who are going to close it immediately! I'll repeat - LPu are a developer (u have chosen to be one) NOT a moderator. Few more things... Why should we fuckin care about the code lines u write? You chose to be developer right? you said it - we are the final users, we dont have to give a shiet about how u create ur services -.- I want to ask u sth.. lol! How the heck u decided that asking a question can indicate ur IQ ROFL. This is the stupidest thing ive seen today. I am sure 90% of the people here (expect retarded ones) can ask the same question with 3 or 30 words, BUT THEY DONT want to waste time, because its just a forum in the internet, not an application for a job for ex. So... yes.. retards are annoying, but this can't change the fact ur thread is useless. (15y M studying IT & developing;~144 IQ)

You sure about your IQ? I could read manulaikos post but not yours. Its so messy!

Oh and by the way:
Why should he fucking care about the nonsense questions every noob asks? They downloaded it and if it works by the source without Any errors there is no need to ASK stupid questions. They are the final users, they should be gllad the Programm exists in the first way, he doesnt have To give a shit about your stupid problems.
Or do you own a company by buying their game?
Just because You didnt read the manual, You dont deserve extra questions be answered peronally. If it already has been answered in the Q&A and/oR 20 personal you dont dont reserve an answer.
Like you dont buy parts of something without a manual and instructions...

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Originally Posted by mainbreach I dont see what is so 'interesting' in this tread? You are the developer, we are the users, so it's not our business what's ur fuckin job and what are u doing, since we are the fucking USERS.. All we have to do is to use ur service, because this is ur fuckin job SO stop crying. Also, you can't learn the retards, who don't know a single english word with an ENGLISH THREAD O.O. Nothing personally, ur english is not even 10/10 to make such a thread, furthermore ur thread is COMPLETELY useless. I can prove with some reasons: The idiots who are supposed to read this CAN'T READ IT LOL You are writing about bug begging, which is forbidden, which is not ur F*****G business, because there are tons of moderators, who are going to close it immediately! I'll repeat - u are a developer (u have chosen to be one) NOT a moderator. Few more things... Why should we fuckin care about the code lines u write? You chose to be developer right? you said it - we are the final users, we dont have to give a shiet about how u create ur services -.- I want to ask u sth.. lol! How the heck u decided that asking a question can indicate ur IQ ROFL. This is the stupidest thing ive seen today. I am sure 90% of the people here (expect retarded ones) can ask the same question with 3 or 30 words, BUT THEY DONT want to waste time, because its just a forum in the internet, not an application for a job for ex. So... yes.. retards are annoying, but this can't change the fact ur thread is useless. (15y M studying IT & developing;~144 IQ)

You're way too intelligent for us with "your" (yeah, I used quotes, since anyone can say "I got 677 IQ, you guys are so bad lol xd") crazily-huge (yeah, that's irony) IQ.
lol.
The interesting thing in your comment is that even if you may have an above-average IQ, it doesn't make you clever at all. You look like one of the random retards you speak about in your post that doesn't understand the point of the thread they're posting in.
Btw, your maturity is just under the level of maturity I would expect from a 15 yo guy, just saying.
Because I don't want to look like I'm actually interested in you, I'll now answer your ideas with 2 sentences :
- Being a user doesn't allow you to be stupid
- Being a user allows you to understand that devs aren't the machines you'd like them to be.

Think about that, not-so-clerver boy.

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Originally Posted by mainbreach As well as there are clever users, retarded users still exist and saying 'how fix' is their maximum in english, and creating such a thread is not necessary. As part of this community u will have to deal with stupid, retarded, clever, smart and many more types of users.. nothing left to say

Well, lets drop some of the aggressive tone out. I don't mind a discussion, but when we start using words which can easily seem as insults, it can get out of hand.

I wouldn't like to call the people who say "how fix" retarded. They aren't retarded at all. They just aren't able to speak English at a decent level. So they try and get by, by doing what they can. And at times, it annoys users.

Yes, I do agree. With people whom have problems at understanding English, this thread with the links it contains, won't be of use. Because this is quite based on English. However, there are some users which I believe can speak a decent level of English but still also try to get by doing the least amount of what they can. So, they could ask it in a decent way to get their point across.

As a part of a community, we do have to tolerate different individuals. Me, you. Fellow developer over there. The person who posts videos over here. Some are going to be annoying without a doubt. And it does depend on how we treat each member. But, little things stay. And people are more likely to help others, depending on how they style what they say.

It's no ones job to help X and Y. They don't have to do it. But, I agree that helping people, whenever possible, would be nice. But I also agree that we shouldn't feed everyone with what to do. You have to level it out.

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Originally Posted by mainbreach i will answer only u because i didnt see serious amount of brain activity in the other answers so..when i said what is my iq, i didn't want to sounds like im pretending to be more clever, altough i expected such a reaction. Do you know what is like to be a random retard who doesnt know what he speak? look at the guys posting after me MuffinMario and S7K Yuuki- i said they SHOULDNT care about the retards,not SHOULD, these 2 didn't even understand or/and read my answer. I won't lie, im interested in ur opinion about maturity.I will never refuse an extra argument :) - Being a user doesn't allow you to be stupid But being stupid yourself allows you to be an user !?!? - Being a user allows you to understand that devs aren't the machines you'd like them to be. I can half-agree, with this statement, but everyone with his opinion :) I will repeat my 1st answer by using simplier lang and hope u understand me As well as there are clever users, retarded users still exist and saying 'how fix' is their maximum in english, and creating such a thread is not necessary. As part of this community u will have to deal with stupid, retarded, clever, smart and many more types of users.. nothing left to say

Gotta say that you look more mature after this post ;)
Even if I didn't agree with anything you said in the first post, it doesn't mean that I will never agree with you, and this time, I feel like you're right.

At least for the "they shouldn't care about retards" part. => Which is obviously easy to say...
Sadly, while many users are the users we would like to be using our products all the time, a few other users are the "retards" we're talking about, and those users are making a lot of noise, and are hard to ignore.
I mean... look at this post : [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Not speaking english well isn't an excuse to post such a short message, without explaining anything... I'd rather see a 10 lines long block of google-translated text than this (To every non-english speaking people that aren't reading this after all : don't try google-translating text at home, you better start learning english)

This kind of users (yeah, "users", let's do just like if they were normal people :rolleyes:) is the most annoying kind, and are kinda destroying the darkorbit section, spamming their senseless questions.

That being said, I want to ask you a question : Don't you think that those users should be taught how to look for answers alone?

I think that the only way to make the community better is by "educating" it to the non-written "rules" that exist almost everywhere on internet.

I agree, many people will never learn, and will keep asking "y no work, u nub dev, go codeing better :rtfm: :rtfm: :rtfm:" (yeah, with rtfms, because they don't know what it really means and think that is shows how angry they are)
But some of them will maybe learn...

Wow, that was a pretty long post after weeks without posting :o

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Originally Posted by mainbreach I dont see what is so 'interesting' in this tread? You are the developer, we are the users, so it's not our business what's ur fuckin job and what are u doing, since we are the fucking USERS.. All we have to do is to use ur service, because this is ur fuckin job SO stop crying. Also, you can't learn the retards, who don't know a single english word with an ENGLISH THREAD O.O. Nothing personally, ur english is not even 10/10 to make such a thread, furthermore ur thread is COMPLETELY useless. I can prove with some reasons: The idiots who are supposed to read this CAN'T READ IT LOL You are writing about bug begging, which is forbidden, which is not ur F*****G business, because there are tons of moderators, who are going to close it immediately! I'll repeat - u are a developer (u have chosen to be one) NOT a moderator. Few more things... Why should we fuckin care about the code lines u write? You chose to be developer right? you said it - we are the final users, we dont have to give a shiet about how u create ur services -.- I want to ask u sth.. lol! How the heck u decided that asking a question can indicate ur IQ ROFL. This is the stupidest thing ive seen today. I am sure 90% of the people here (expect retarded ones) can ask the same question with 3 or 30 words, BUT THEY DONT want to waste time, because its just a forum in the internet, not an application for a job for ex. So... yes.. retards are annoying, but this can't change the fact ur thread is useless. (15y M studying IT & developing;~144 IQ)

You don't care about the lines they write? Are you fucking sure with what you just said? You know if there were no developers this whole section will be boring af.
Secondly, please don't even TRY talking about the english of other people. English isn't everyone's native language, so bear with it.

By the way, posting your IQ doesn't really make you 'look' smarter AT ALL on a forum, remember that.

Now appreciate the work of those developers instead of being an ass.

Oh and bugbegging not being his "business" doesn't mean he can't complain about it, that's exactly why the report button is made ;)

About people not wanting to waste time by trying to ask a proper question. You do know that the developers you talk so bad about are pretty much helping those lazy ass people, right? The users don't want to waste time but the developers have to? Oh come on.

Furthermore, this thread won't really do much as most people will skip topics that doesn't interest them. Thanks for trying though, someone had to do it anyways :D

people MUST use education when they speak


anyway you (thread owner) cant be so aggressive
i had to take care about many users not able to speak english very well (because non english users) but i always tried to understand them

sometimes i use "short phrases" too because maybe i dont know very well how to argue about a specific topic