and no the 8.1 was not just that i managed to fix the issue on my own but tyvm anyway ive now fixed almost all the errors in the 8.1 so far we havent came across any more bugs now :) if any want on just ask me for the info we use a retail fully uptodate client and with our sframe you can still get on the usa retail with no game guardand will fully work :) just pm me for some info