Again, obviously you are judging it how you see it which makes me think you didn't even read my post. I didn't say i can do it. But obviously some people who are actually "modeller" can do it. Not you or me or a 12 years old with a brain. If that was hard for him then he would not be a modeller and come here and complain how hard it is. Just like you do.Quote:
A full model directly created from scratch? Based on an idea that came to your mind?
Again, obviously you are underestimating the work it takes.
JoyMax will stop developing Silkroad?
04/12/2013 10:53
Zackynuup#121
04/12/2013 11:33
Bartic#122
Seems like you didn't understand each other. Synx said that it's impossible to create a model from scratch in a day or so. You probably meant that creating a model when you already have a concept shouldn't take much longer than a day or two for professional modeler. I agree with Synx a little bit more, but you're not wrong either. Even though you're a professional modeler, it is still going to take some time to create a model.Quote:
04/12/2013 11:34
Kape7#123
I'm not talking about creating the model itself, but about all the work that is behind that, create the 3D model for the game is the final step.Quote:
Why do you think games have so many concept art?
Initial idea -> Concept art -> Isometric view -> Clay model (usually created in real life) -> Occlusion map (for the textures) -> Textures -> 3D modelling -> Bones -> Animation
I'm not specialized on the process, so probably there are a lot of missing steps, but that is the minimum work a serious gaming company does for develop a new model. Do you seriously think its just open Blender or 3DMax and start creating the 3D model on-the-fly?
04/12/2013 11:39
[B]ase[J]umP#124
well,yeah the textures are probably the hardest part since it takes alot of planning,and you need to have the models and make the textures work good with animations
04/12/2013 11:45
Zackynuup#125
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Why do you think games have so many concept art?
Initial idea -> Concept art -> Isometric view -> Clay model (usually created in real life) -> Occlusion map (for the textures) -> Textures -> 3D modelling -> Bones -> Animation
I'm not specialized on the process, so probably there are a lot of missing steps, but that is the minimum work a serious gaming company does for develop a new model. Do you seriously think its just open Blender or 3DMax and start creating the 3D model on-the-fly?
You are still comparing silkroad with today's games. The art there have been and the art there is today is TOTALLY different. Pacman's model is a model too. I said "a model" not a spacecraft in dead space 3. All the argument is based on making silkroad models. I seriously think it is just open whatever program they use and start doing it FOR A MODELLER. And yes any 12 years old kid can make a model since nobody limited the time for him.
Any 12 years old kid CAN start learning, learn, learn, learn, learn, learn and then DO.
Is everyone especially trying not to understand a single thing i say here seriously?
04/12/2013 11:49
Kape7#126
I'm losing my time trying to explain, I'm out of here.
04/12/2013 11:54
IceAmStiel#127
I could also walk across water if I was jesus <.<
There is indeed always someone that does your work faster, you act like this was something totally new. Zacky, get us a modeller that builds a proper concept + the dedicated model within a day, so hesheit can speak from experience. But stop to base your statements on assumptions.
Talking from pseud-experience makes your gibberish terribly pesky.
And synx is obviously stating sane ideas, nothing that could be classified as complaining.
There is indeed always someone that does your work faster, you act like this was something totally new. Zacky, get us a modeller that builds a proper concept + the dedicated model within a day, so hesheit can speak from experience. But stop to base your statements on assumptions.
Talking from pseud-experience makes your gibberish terribly pesky.
On what else, but your opinion, would you base a statement in a discussion?Quote:
You don't know him, he might be a successful graphics modeller, why the heck to you presume that he's not capable of it?Quote:
And synx is obviously stating sane ideas, nothing that could be classified as complaining.
04/12/2013 12:20
Zackynuup#128
The one that you can't prove that is also you can't disprove. I am not going to search youtube for you. There are videos in speedview. Total timelapse can't be over 10 hours for a silkroad model for those people. Some people can create models for silkroad on epvp. So make sure they go get a job with that. People are paying courses thousands of dollars just to learn how to do it faster. While there are freely available movies on youtube they still pay it because it is better. And anything you say "its hard" can be classified as a complaint.Quote:
There is indeed always someone that does your work faster, you act like this was something totally new. Zacky, get us a modeller that builds a proper concept + the dedicated model within a day, so hesheit can speak from experience. But stop to base your statements on assumptions.
Talking from pseud-experience makes your gibberish terribly pesky.
On what else, but your opinion, would you base a statement in a discussion?
You don't know him, he might be a successful graphics modeller, why the heck to you presume that he's not capable of it?
And synx is obviously stating sane ideas, nothing that could be classified as complaining.
04/12/2013 12:35
IceAmStiel#129
You suffer from dyslexia, plus you're mentally disabled < disprove it please, or stop to talk due to your illnessQuote:
And you assume that they came up with the idea of the model while they were taking the video? Either you're totally naive or you simply lack of common sense.Quote:
"can't be" < Assumption
Your logic really amuses me ;D "I managed it to achieve an A grade even though the test was hard" - is that a complaint as well?Quote:
04/12/2013 12:41
Zackynuup#130
Prove it please. PS; i can be but i can't know that. That would be a shame on you for still arguing with a person who is mentally disabled. Yet i am not the one who is insulting over an argument here.Quote:
I am no further going to try to explain what i have said and also Carl Sagan can be wrong about his external dimensional speaches but you don't have the ballz to disprove it sorry.
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04/12/2013 12:57
IceAmStiel#131
Oh dear.. you just contradicted yourself..
PS.: I do believe in multiverses and indeed also infinite dimensions myself
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^Find the failure.Quote:
You should appreciate it that I generously made you aware of it, that's nothing I should be ashamed of, don't you think?Quote:
Escaping from the conversation when you're out of words is the right move dude :)Quote:
PS.: I do believe in multiverses and indeed also infinite dimensions myself
04/12/2013 13:05
Zackynuup#132
Out of words? "You do not understand me" is my argument. You do not understand it still :)Quote:
^Find the failure.
You should appreciate it that I generously made you aware of it, that's nothing I should be ashamed of, don't you think?
Escaping from the conversation when you're out of words is the right move dude :)
PS.: I do believe in multiverses and indeed also infinite dimensions myself
Find the failure here. All the argument was started over this post.Quote:
A real modeller with a job, who knows easier methods of making it can be doing it in a day or hours. You can make an emulator. That can take 1 year for you. Still something that is hard FOR YOU doesn't have to be hard for everyone else in the world. A guy who was in the project of making x game but was fired from company for some reason could very well make it's emulator in way shorter time. You don't have to judge everything how you see.
Make me believe it is hard to design a 3d model & animation FOR SILKROAD for a professional modeller who gets paid $15000 a month by a movie making company and then make him make a video especially about it being so hard and post it here so i will believe.
04/12/2013 13:09
PortalDark#133
it is hardQuote:
Find the failure here. All the argument was started over this post.
Make me believe it is hard to design a 3d model & animation FOR SILKROAD for a professional modeller who gets paid $15000 a month by a movie making company and then make him make a video especially about it and post it here so i will believe.
why do you think Joymax has been recycling all the models all over
repainting is easy
and no, im not a graphic designer, and yes I know many, and believe me, even for SRO, any kind of model can take a while to make
04/12/2013 13:14
Zackynuup#134
I am not saying it is not hard for you. I am saying it would not be hard for someone really skilled and gets paid from what he does. There is thousands of models in silkroad. Some of them big some of tham small. We are not only discussing about the biggest the most complicated models. Of course i know it can take a damn year to make some model that contains more details than the entire game. We are talking about some model any model. Like i don't know a mangyang. Tell me it would take more than a day for someone designer, modeller.Quote:
why do you think Joymax has been recycling all the models all over
repainting is easy
and no, im not a graphic designer, and yes I know many, and believe me, even for SRO, any kid of model can take a while to make
Something being hard does not make it impossible so any 12 years old kid can learn how to do it then do it. That can be hard or that can take a year. This line agrees with most of their points but they still argue. I am starting to think it is a troll argument anyway.
04/12/2013 13:20
PortalDark#135
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Something being hard does not make it impossible so any 12 years old kid can learn how to do it then do it. That can be hard or that can take a year. This line agrees with most of their points but they still argue. I am starting to think it is a troll argument anyway.
my point of those who I know are graphic designers, not meQuote:
why do you think Joymax has been recycling all the models all over
repainting is easy
and no, im not a graphic designer, and yes I know many, and believe me, even for SRO, any kind of model can take a while to make
also, I rarely troll on On-Topic posts, because I love my badge below my name