Thinking of a new server

To put this as bluntly as possible: No, there's no "anti-abuse" that will ever work for scenarios such as requesting ZEN at home and then at work. There's no way for any system to know whether that's the same person, or two different people. That's just obvious.

Trying to block on such a level is pointless. You'd need to dive deep into personal things such as SMS verification and such, but even then, a person may have two phones. See where I'm going with this? There's no way to cover all loopholes, we all know that.

But reducing the amount of abuse that was primarily generated through proxies, VPNs and Virtual boxes in the past, as much as possible, is a step in the right direction.

I have no intentions of monitoring ZEN abuse 5h/day trying to find abusers. Maybe I'll make some script that scans for them, but honestly, it's not my biggest concern. The one mistake that the majority usually do is going too far and making it too obvious. At that point, it's just a /forbidlogin away.

What kind of items do you expect in the Credit shop? Added some gem stuff there atm, but starting to reconsider..

Tbh it would be damn near impossible to keep track of every single players zen income unless you got a actual army of people as staff members,as long as people can't make 40 accounts and request zen with just a simple ip change i'll be somewhat happy.

You'd think that after all this time of jumping around from server to server one of us would think of a system to prevent these fckers from abusing daily zen , best i could think of atm would be to only have gems drop in instances and bosses and make them bound that kills off part of the trading but would prevent em from "buying power" with zen .
That would somewhat fit your plan to make people more interested in running dungeons as a group and also giving em more than enough reasons to do so,and the bound part will somewhat ensure that the dude with the most accounts dose not get any type of power boost from running it with alts. Only issue i see with that would be the whole "random gems" aspect since i can't remember if BOI had any type of gem transmute system,would suck to see people stuck with a bound gem they don't need.

:) nice pricop,
WTB Bound gem converter

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Originally Posted by LeRaz0r To put this as bluntly as possible: No, there's no "anti-abuse" that will ever work for scenarios such as requesting ZEN at home and then at work. There's no way for any system to know whether that's the same person, or two different people. That's just obvious. Trying to block on such a level is pointless. You'd need to dive deep into personal things such as SMS verification and such, but even then, a person may have two phones. See where I'm going with this? There's no way to cover all loopholes, we all know that. But reducing the amount of abuse that was primarily generated through proxies, VPNs and Virtual boxes in the past, as much as possible, is a step in the right direction. I have no intentions of monitoring ZEN abuse 5h/day trying to find abusers. Maybe I'll make some script that scans for them, but honestly, it's not my biggest concern. The one mistake that the majority usually do is going too far and making it too obvious. At that point, it's just a /forbidlogin away. What kind of items do you expect in the Credit shop? Added some gem stuff there atm, but starting to reconsider..

May sound stupid, BUT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

If, as you said, you dont want to sell ZEN for money or even earn money from server, than there is NO POINT in having and giving out ZEN. ZEN was implemented to earn real money for PWI.

My point of view: make market items drop from instances/WB, solo events depending on how rare/worth an market item would be.

Make for each day of a week a new instance or just modify an exsisting one that would drop certain market items.

NPC sellers that would accept gold for SOME market items - but only a certain number of times per day.

This was barinstormed just to show that you don NOT need ZEN.

GL and make the server happen :)

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Originally Posted by bijelivuk May sound stupid, BUT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. If, as you said, you dont want to sell ZEN for money or even earn money from server, than there is NO POINT in having and giving out ZEN. ZEN was implemented to earn real money for PWI. My point of view: make market items drop from instances/WB, solo events depending on how rare/worth an market item would be. Make for each day of a week a new instance or just modify an exsisting one that would drop certain market items. NPC sellers that would accept gold for SOME market items - but only a certain number of times per day. This was barinstormed just to show that you don NOT need ZEN. GL and make the server happen :)

That doesn't make much sense to me. You can't just throw in an entire marketplace worth of items to a bunch of random Event bosses and hope that'll solve the problem. Nor will an NPC Shop with the items help, because that means You'll need a new source of Coins in the game and it's a lot easier to abuse a source of Coin income than it is to abuse ZEN.

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Originally Posted by bijelivuk May sound stupid, BUT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. If, as you said, you dont want to sell ZEN for money or even earn money from server, than there is NO POINT in having and giving out ZEN. ZEN was implemented to earn real money for PWI. My point of view: make market items drop from instances/WB, solo events depending on how rare/worth an market item would be. Make for each day of a week a new instance or just modify an exsisting one that would drop certain market items. NPC sellers that would accept gold for SOME market items - but only a certain number of times per day. This was barinstormed just to show that you don NOT need ZEN. GL and make the server happen :)

That could work i guess but yet again they would have to be bound unless we want people running around with alts getting power ups and if you think about it it's just gonna cause one huge clusterfuck on those drop tables.

And making all the upgrade materials only drop from instances could be a bit of a issue if you for example don't have a set group of friends to do your dailies with , unless the players base grows to a more than decent number a lot of people would be stuck pretty much begging for the chance to do their instances. And of course when it comes to bosses as we all know it the top clan get's em all for the most parts,that aint gonna be fun for most people.

Also using coins to buy stuff will just cause people to switch from abusing the zen systems to booting / using macros to farm RA or smthing.

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Originally Posted by LeRaz0r That doesn't make much sense to me. You can't just throw in an entire marketplace worth of items to a bunch of random Event bosses and hope that'll solve the problem. Nor will an NPC Shop with the items help, because that means You'll need a new source of Coins in the game and it's a lot easier to abuse a source of Coin income than it is to abuse ZEN.

Idea kinda makes sense. Just create/modify bunch of events where we can gather those items so you limit us and force to do instance. Items would be more valuable and we would know that we didn't waste our time. Like old times, non-ZENNERS on PWE servers were tryin' hard through instances, although, it was never enough.

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Originally Posted by joksa969 Idea kinda makes sense. Just create/modify bunch of events where we can gather those items so you limit us and force to do instance. Items would be more valuable and we would know that we didn't waste our time. Like old times, non-ZENNERS on PWE servers were tryin' hard through instances, although, it was never enough.

My point being that that's even easier to abuse. Just throw up another 5 Clients and essentially that's like requesting ZEN five times. The only difference would be lower rate of getting the item you're looking for.

I'm waiting for my supplier to get a server available for rental, so may be able to get this started somtime this coming week.

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Originally Posted by LeRaz0r My point being that that's even easier to abuse. Just throw up another 5 Clients and essentially that's like requesting ZEN five times. The only difference would be lower rate of getting the item you're looking for.

That and the fact that you'll most likely need a group of friends or a active guild to do the instances can be a issue if we don't have a decent sized player base.

Can't w8 to check it out ,the project itself sounds very promising :handsdown:

yea that would be pretty good also i dont have alot of time for playing nowadays but yea it would be nice to have such a sever around ... would be pretty nice of u ..

Fort Glacier...Ancient Ruins...

Oh boy...looks like I'm going to be losing sleep for days again.

Looking forward to this.

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Originally Posted by GrandWarrior Oh boy...looks like I'm going to be losing sleep for days again.

Sleep is for the weak bruh :D

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Originally Posted by pricop Sleep is for the weak bruh :D

What is this "sleep" you speak of?

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Originally Posted by WookieMatingCall What is this "sleep" you speak of?

tried it once. it sux. gives shitty exp.

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Originally Posted by zomgwtfhax tried it once. it sux. gives shitty exp.

Doesn't even give me exp anymore. :( Sleep leaves me just wanting more sleep lol