Proposal for the Future of Rappelz Private Server Community

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Originally Posted by Ghost Informatics Respect! Thank you. I appreciate your ideas and the way you express them. It would be great to see more people sharing their thoughts publicly, like we did between 2010 and 2018. Unfortunately, since the source was released, the community has fragmented into smaller, more private groups. This division is largely due to the misuse of the source code. I welcome civilized and respectful opinions here. Thank you for voting and giving your opinion, every opinion is important as long as it follows the forum rules.

Frankly, I believe that more than half of the people here have misunderstood the message. Ghost's way of communicating it was quite ineffective. Threatening the community and restricting the server to a single language is a mistake. We, as part of the Revo Team, should approach this in a more civilized manner. We should form a team and aim to succeed based on the principles of a free market.

I understand what teamwork means. I am aware that there are deceivers in this community and trust is scarce. However, my personal view is that we should form a unified team and attempt to make a mark, perhaps with the new 9.8 source. As a team, we don't need to limit ourselves to just one server. We could create a high-rate server as well as a low-rate one for old-school epic gaming. The goal is to professionally manage and truly care for it, making the idea of a solo server obsolete.

Ghost, I agree with most of your points in this post, but the way it’s communicated seems inappropriate to many (though I personally took it with a grain of salt, others may not have).

Regardless of the poll results in December, if any team wants to collaborate on the source, count me in. However, if even one person pulls a 'Hello I'm SmokeDrow' stunt, I will leave this community forever, and I won't be surprised if many top-level developers do the same.

I urge you, think about it: if, from the source release, instead of going solo, we formed teams, this game would be at a different level today. Take InkDevil, my personal mentor, for example. What he does with server files is truly noteworthy. Zone and several other developers excel in developing the Game Client. While I may not entirely agree with Zone's server ideas, I respect and appreciate his work. And let's not forget Xijezu, an excellent programmer, along with others I haven’t mentioned (like pyrok, glandu, etc.).

Imagine a scenario where we are all in one team, with a 'board' making joint decisions, just like in the real game industry. Our servers would undoubtedly be unbeatable. I might be dreaming too big, and what I'm saying might seem unrealistic, but my ultimate dream for this community is to see unity, not this ongoing hostility

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Originally Posted by yosiemelo Frankly, I believe that more than half of the people here have misunderstood the message. Ghost's way of communicating it was quite ineffective. Threatening the community and restricting the server to a single language is a mistake. We, as part of the Revo Team, should approach this in a more civilized manner. We should form a team and aim to succeed based on the principles of a free market. I understand what teamwork means. I am aware that there are deceivers in this community and trust is scarce. However, my personal view is that we should form a unified team and attempt to make a mark, perhaps with the new 9.8 source. As a team, we don't need to limit ourselves to just one server. We could create a high-rate server as well as a low-rate one for old-school epic gaming. The goal is to professionally manage and truly care for it, making the idea of a solo server obsolete. Ghost, I agree with most of your points in this post, but the way it’s communicated seems inappropriate to many (though I personally took it with a grain of salt, others may not have). Regardless of the poll results in December, if any team wants to collaborate on the source, count me in. However, if even one person pulls a 'Hello I'm SmokeDrow' stunt, I will leave this community forever, and I won't be surprised if many top-level developers do the same. I urge you, think about it: if, from the source release, instead of going solo, we formed teams, this game would be at a different level today. Take InkDevil, my personal mentor, for example. What he does with server files is truly noteworthy. Zone and several other developers excel in developing the Game Client. While I may not entirely agree with Zone's server ideas, I respect and appreciate his work. And let's not forget Xijezu, an excellent programmer, along with others I haven’t mentioned (like pyrok, glandu, etc.). Imagine a scenario where we are all in one team, with a 'board' making joint decisions, just like in the real game industry. Our servers would undoubtedly be unbeatable. I might be dreaming too big, and what I'm saying might seem unrealistic, but my ultimate dream for this community is to see unity, not this ongoing hostility

Thank you, Yosiem. I truly appreciate your ideas, especially the concept of a unified team working collaboratively. We should definitely explore this further. However, to identify those who are willing to join this team, it would be great if the developers interested could comment here and express their readiness and willingness and ideas.


This is open space for anyone want to share their thoughts. go ahead.

Its hilarious and shameless, watching 2 ppl that work on the same server (if its not obvious to some, they even promote the same server), which most likely at minimum make them colleges or even friends, but here they are, giving "seperated opinions" and thank each other like they dont have direct access to each other DMs/discords etc etc! lol

Its like watching politics and for some odd reason the politics of the right have all the same opnions and the politicians from the letft have all the same oponions but in this case they pretend they are not on the same politic side!

nulled will rewrite when i get some time

Your request is basically this.


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Here's what needs to change.

Devs need to stop scrapping servers and restarting every time their player base dips.

Cash shops need to stop with the P2W. There are plenty who would support a server for cosmetics that don't give stats or an edge, including myself, if the server is actually good and long term.

Servers need to not only cater to the Rappelz players, but also to the non Rappelz players. It's simple business logic that if you never grow customers, but only try to retain the ones you have, you will eventually disappear.

Here's my thoughts on if the community is "dying". -

No, it's not going to die. What needs to die are the same servers who come out with different names to try and act new. If you're making a server with the sole intent of making money, I don't want to play there, GL.
As long as the server/client files are public, I believe there will always be a server to play on.

I understand your team has done a lot of work over the years, but honestly people who come to play the game don't care. We will pick the servers that are the most fun to play. I don't want someone telling the servers what is and isn't allowed. Capitalism is the best option going forward. Let people keep making bad servers, people will not play them, then they will disappear. The good servers will remain.

Thank you for your feedback and suggestion regarding the idea of consolidating all the servers into one.

However, I believe you want to sideline some servers that provide better services than the official server or the "Rev" server! On the other hand, you have indeed spread open-source files, which is commendable. Of course, the existence of servers that use them for fraudulent purposes is unacceptable. This is what I have been arguing about in the Discord server here: [[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]). But it's also difficult to control that just on a Discord server. So, I have independent plans to take control and prevent the appearance of private servers involved in fraud. They mainly do not use open-source files but rather normal files.

Regarding unifying all servers under the title of "Arabic Server 1," "English Server 1," or "French Server 1," I certainly don't support such an idea. The reason is that this server only offers players official company matters, tedious routine updates that turn the players into mere spending machines, nothing more and nothing less! Even if you tell me to open a server that doesn't have a store, I know it will have minimal updates or won't continue.

In conclusion, the idea isn't bad, but it's late by around 4 to 6 years. Wishing you and everyone the best. This was my opinion on the matter. ��

Well, this community thrive on the freedom.
Nobody would like to be restricted from doing certain thing, me as a player I always want to have some action like AR players VS EN or FR, I wouldn't like to have a server where all only have the same region.
More than that, this wouldn't work also for servers developers, certain regions have less 40 players which makes it hard to have server and have fun.
Also, don't expect ppl voting yes when you are threating.

its a good idea to re unit the community but saying that only ONE server for each language is like "play this one or delete the game "
u cant provide a single server that can satisfy all the community
at least at least 2 or even 3 servers are needed with different futures
but from my experience as dev and a player players are quitting because of servers that doesnt even last 1 or 2 months
sharing servers should be a bit more restricted by simply not allowing to share servers unless its 3 months old
and the main question how will these servers get selected ?
skills ( as a dev ) doesnt always mean = good server

finally guys god is on earth with us ... HalleluYah

A very bad idea, you yourself were calling for freedom, revolution and non-monopoly and now you want to put restrictions

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Originally Posted by yosiemelo Regardless of the poll results in December, if any team wants to collaborate on the source, count me in. However, if even one person pulls a 'Hello I'm SmokeDrow' stunt, I will leave this community forever, and I won't be surprised if many top-level developers do the same.

Hallo, ich bin Smokedrow
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Originally Posted by yosiemelo Frankly, I believe that more than half of the people here have misunderstood the message. Ghost's way of communicating it was quite ineffective. Threatening the community and restricting the server to a single language is a mistake. We, as part of the Revo Team, should approach this in a more civilized manner. We should form a team and aim to succeed based on the principles of a free market. I understand what teamwork means. I am aware that there are deceivers in this community and trust is scarce. However, my personal view is that we should form a unified team and attempt to make a mark, perhaps with the new 9.8 source. As a team, we don't need to limit ourselves to just one server. We could create a high-rate server as well as a low-rate one for old-school epic gaming. The goal is to professionally manage and truly care for it, making the idea of a solo server obsolete. Ghost, I agree with most of your points in this post, but the way it’s communicated seems inappropriate to many (though I personally took it with a grain of salt, others may not have). Regardless of the poll results in December, if any team wants to collaborate on the source, count me in. However, if even one person pulls a 'Hello I'm SmokeDrow' stunt, I will leave this community forever, and I won't be surprised if many top-level developers do the same. I urge you, think about it: if, from the source release, instead of going solo, we formed teams, this game would be at a different level today. Take InkDevil, my personal mentor, for example. What he does with server files is truly noteworthy. Zone and several other developers excel in developing the Game Client. While I may not entirely agree with Zone's server ideas, I respect and appreciate his work. And let's not forget Xijezu, an excellent programmer, along with others I haven’t mentioned (like pyrok, glandu, etc.). Imagine a scenario where we are all in one team, with a 'board' making joint decisions, just like in the real game industry. Our servers would undoubtedly be unbeatable. I might be dreaming too big, and what I'm saying might seem unrealistic, but my ultimate dream for this community is to see unity, not this ongoing hostility

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Originally Posted by Filipe2008 You want control, power and authority thats all! This thread should be closed just by this treat imo! "Lets unify guys, or else, i will stop you!" lol Communism much!? lol

Wer hätte ahnen können, dass die Community aus Spielern besteht, die auf russischen und arabischen Servern unterwegs sind, um Wege zu finden, die Spielerbasis zu vereinen. Dies wird dazu führen, dass Menschen, denen die Zusammenarbeit gestattet wird, dies ruinieren und ein noch größeres Massaker verursachen. Eigentlich ist es eine Schande, die meisten haben erst damals angefangen, als Facebook und Top of Games die größten Werbeplätze waren und es noch keine mehrsprachigen Clients gab, also haben die Leute ihre eigenen angepasst, um sie für den persönlichen Gebrauch nutzbar zu machen, und andere bei grundlegenden Dingen wie im Spiel unterstützt NPCs.
Ein Blick auf die Namen einiger Mitglieder dieses Forums, die als „großartige Entwickler und Berater“ bezeichnet wurden, gab es damals nicht, die als Spieler etwas beisteuerten, sie wurden nicht berücksichtigt, und jetzt sind sie es, inzwischen verursachte dies mehr Probleme als je zuvor – Server wurde irrelevant und viel schneller, als es sein sollte. Und andererseits sind ihre Namen so bekannt, dass es sich um ein und dieselbe Community-Gildengruppe handelt, die sie für eine Art Götter oder Messias hält, in Wirklichkeit aber Vorboten der Zerstörung sind.
Sie lügen über die tatsächlichen Staatsdiener und versuchen so zu tun, als würden sie sie verteidigen, indem sie die Wahrheit verheimlichen, aber sobald die Leute erkennen, dass es die Art und Weise ist, wie sie es nicht sagen, rächen sie sich einfach und versuchen, sie zu rekrutieren, um ihre Rede zu beenden.
Nur MEINE zwei Cent

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Originally Posted by pyroswarm Here's what needs to change. Devs need to stop scrapping servers and restarting every time their player base dips. Cash shops need to stop with the P2W. There are plenty who would support a server for cosmetics that don't give stats or an edge, including myself, if the server is actually good and long term. Servers need to not only cater to the Rappelz players, but also to the non Rappelz players. It's simple business logic that if you never grow customers, but only try to retain the ones you have, you will eventually disappear. Here's my thoughts on if the community is "dying". - No, it's not going to die. What needs to die are the same servers who come out with different names to try and act new. If you're making a server with the sole intent of making money, I don't want to play there, GL. As long as the server/client files are public, I believe there will always be a server to play on. I understand your team has done a lot of work over the years, but honestly people who come to play the game don't care. We will pick the servers that are the most fun to play. I don't want someone telling the servers what is and isn't allowed. Capitalism is the best option going forward. Let people keep making bad servers, people will not play them, then they will disappear. The good servers will remain.

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Man könnte sagen, der alte Server ist einer davon, sicher existierte er fünf Jahre lang mit derselben Website und demselben Client. Aber wenn man sich ansieht, wie viele dieser Jahre von russischen Spielern und ihren Freunden missbraucht wurden, um Botfarming auf dem Server zu betreiben, während der Admin ihnen das erlaubte und der Rest der Leute gesperrt wurde (besonders jetzt). Sie haben einen der wichtigsten PvP/Hybrid-Server der arabischen Gilden aus dem Projekt geworfen, weil ihre Verbündeten das monatliche Spendenereignis Altar für den ersten Platz verloren haben, und sie im Spiel und auf Videoausschnitten als „Pidors-Schwuchteln“ bezeichnet. Mittlerweile läuft auf dem gesamten Server der Echtgeldhandel von denselben Leuten, die das im Gambit-Projekt machen, und Armala selbst ist sich nicht bewusst, dass die Spieler, die Merval Stream in sein verwaltetes Projekt von Icex gebracht hat, die gleiche Spielerbasis sind, die dort und im Gambit-Projekt Echtgeldhandel betreibt.
Auf der anderen Seite behauptet ihr eigener Moderator Cosanostra Stream weiterhin, dass der Server neue Inhalte erhält, die niemand gesehen hat, während all die Dinge und Probleme damit seit Monaten bekannt sind, alte Fehler, von denen sie behaupteten, sie seien behoben, schienen immer noch da zu sein, nicht aber Es sind genug neue, kritischere erschienen. Und alles, was sie tun können, ist, die Kommentare von Personen, die sie hassen, zu löschen und eine Zeitüberschreitung zu erzielen, wenn der Beweis gepostet wird – der Server ist nur ein Zwillingsklon eines früheren Servers ohne relevante Änderungen.
Es gibt zu viele Server wie diesen, zu denen auch InkDevils-Dateien gehören – sie sind alle gleich. Die Leute versuchen, sie als einzigartig zu bezeichnen – aber es gibt nichts Einzigartiges in ihnen, sie sind eine umfassende Monetarisierungspraxis, die sich als effektiv erwiesen hat.

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Originally Posted by pyroswarm Here's what needs to change. Servers need to not only cater to the Rappelz players, but also to the non Rappelz players. It's simple business logic that if you never grow customers, but only try to retain the ones you have, you will eventually disappear. Here's my thoughts on if the community is "dying". -

Ich glaube, es gab einen Spieler, der nie gehört und als Idiot und wahnhaften Lügner bezeichnet wurde und der dieses Thema mit einem Verständnis sagte, das sich auf ein anderes Videospiel bezog, um eine größere Veränderung im Spielverlauf anzudeuten. und das ist der Spieler, den viele Leute vielleicht nicht mögen oder sogenannte Entwickler.
Ich glaube, die Russen im Ancient Project mögen ihn zutiefst nicht, weil er bewiesen hat, dass sie und die Kernverwaltung des Mystic-Servers völlig inkompetent waren, als dass er es geschafft hätte, an ihre Datenbank zu kommen, um damit zu spielen, da es sich um ein Spielzeug handelte.

You need to be open to every idea, you may think differently, you may have better ideas.
But you need to solve this by talking, not by being hostile. I don't think attacking each other helps anyone.

I deeply respect what you and your team have accomplished
Your idea is good, but it also has some confusing aspects.
You need to be open to every idea, you may think differently, you may have better ideas.
I've been in this business for a very long time.
I came to this Webs in 2018 for RappelzBlack Dev and have been operating since 2016-2017
Currently, I have a Dark Server that has been open since 2018.
I would be happy to share your ideas and my ideas with each other.

alright so first off the idea of only leaving 1 server for each region is probably the most idiotic thing ive heard associated with rappelz so far. Secondly if servers would stop trying to take eachother down and focus on fixing their own servers up instead of wasting all that energy on being toxic you might accomplish something. Third most servers are customized to the owners play style so in a way your trying to restrict our selection with what your saying which in that case if i dont get a choice why play it ? you see where i coming from ? also for the reason the games dying out ive experienced everything from corrupt staff teams favoring certain guild / people servers stealing peoples info and disrupting said players ability to play other servers(due to same info used on multiple servers) and lastly even the staff teams reluctance to actually listen to the players that are pulling money out of their pockets to keep the servers thriving so ... on that note its just not 1 problem why the games dying and its not just players or just admins or just devs that need to work on this issue we all gotta get our shit togeather and stop point fingers and actually work on fixing these issues. ALSO side note i joined gamibtz rappelz day 1 it was not english hell it was a full german client was almost a a week before the first english client was added to gambitz. :')