Discussion regarding donating on Private Servers

agree this part with PeTe Ninja.

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Don't say if you donate i give you this, don't say you have to donate to keep server up, and never say donate because staff needs money.. your staff doesn't need anything, instead of playing on the computer they can go out and get a real job. __________________

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Originally Posted by Huseby If some one trys to take cash, and they aint worth it, they will lose players, and it will suck even more, however if the server is pro, adding a few donation items aint bad.

Not really... Many people are paying for privelages at servers that have nuthin to offer in exchange, i.e poorly coded source or binaries usage, short uptime, lack of in-game features etc., and that's tha biggest p servers problem nowadays.

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Originally Posted by jajec Not really... Many people are paying for privelages at servers that have nuthin to offer in exchange, i.e poorly coded source or binaries usage, short uptime, lack of in-game features etc., and that's tha biggest p servers problem nowadays.

Thus the reason i made this thread. It touches almost everyone playing private servers these days.
Just wanted to hear some opinions of people. Might aswell make this a petition lol

Still, nuthin you can do about it, really...

Owners of those servers are pretty much satisfied with the fact they don't have to do a shit n still get massive income.

About the players, you'd have to offer them something better than those server. Technical way, ain't that hard to create something better than binary-based garbage with somebody else's edits (called their own, obviously) included in da client and few custom n useless NPCs as "features".

Unluckily, people like those garbage servers n they'll keep "donating" on dem.. No matter how hard will you hate on them or what kind of petitions you're gonna start.

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Originally Posted by jajec Still, nuthin you can do about it, really... Owners of those servers are pretty much satisfied with the fact they don't have to do a shit n still get massive income. About the players, you'd have to offer them something better than those server. Technical way, ain't that hard to create something better than binary-based garbage with somebody else's edits (called their own, obviously) included in da client and few custom n useless NPCs as "features". Unluckily, people like those garbage servers n they'll keep "donating" on dem.. No matter how hard will you hate on them or what kind of petitions you're gonna start.

Making and getting people aware of the make-quick-money-scheme could be effective enough. This thread is a perfect example of that.

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Originally Posted by jajec Still, nuthin you can do about it, really... Owners of those servers are pretty much satisfied with the fact they don't have to do a shit n still get massive income. About the players, you'd have to offer them something better than those server. Technical way, ain't that hard to create something better than binary-based garbage with somebody else's edits (called their own, obviously) included in da client and few custom n useless NPCs as "features". Unluckily, people like those garbage servers n they'll keep "donating" on dem.. No matter how hard will you hate on them or what kind of petitions you're gonna start.

The problem is lack of choice. Almost every server available right now is either Binary or that Unstable garbage they call 5165 (hell, even Qonquer has an online store). So from a players standpoint, you get the choose, either a stable, but no development server or one that's buggy as hell, lacks a bunch of features, and expect the project not to last, and you'll see why binaries are so successful (for now), and the people running the binary servers are taking advantage of that (along with pissing TQ off and ruining it for the rest of us).

So the way to get the players from binaries to a source-based server is to actually make a competent and stable server. And a problem is, Tanel's LOTF 5165 source (and 5017 one) is, in my opinion, just destroying the thought that it is possible to have a stable source-based, feature-full leveling server and it not be rocket science. And that's because the only leveling sources released recently are CoEmu v2 (not the best, and not a lot of features), Binary, LOTF 5165 (Utter shit, even after the 7th+ version), and LOTF 5017 (acceptable, as it is Tanel's "2nd" source..but still doesn't cut it), and unfortunately, majority of the source-based leveling servers are based off of either binaries or the variants of LOTF (but v5017 is dying off quickly for the newer 5165 x.x)

So what it comes down to is shit, piled on top of shit, with even more shit. You just get to pick what shit you like best.

Well you smart ass ElitePVPer10 if you can afford to pay 50$ per month without any support of members donating / bulking then congraz ur rich or have no live.

I do work 12h a day and i get money i could afford it but why should i?
Cos its my server? Yeah maybe but why shouldnt players be able to help n get rewards for it?

think about that.

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Originally Posted by ~Yuki~ Well you smart ass ElitePVPer10 if you can afford to pay 50$ per month without any support of members donating / bulking then congraz ur rich or have no live. I do work 12h a day and i get money i could afford it but why should i? Cos its my server? Yeah maybe but why shouldnt players be able to help n get rewards for it? think about that.

Because it's not special to spend money on something you like.
Do you need a privilege from it because you spend money on something you enjoy? You pay with other fellow players to keep the server online.
Not because you can get some goodies from it.

It's a pretty simple concept.

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Originally Posted by ~Yuki~ Well you smart ass ElitePVPer10 if you can afford to pay 50$ per month without any support of members donating / bulking then congraz ur rich or have no live. I do work 12h a day and i get money i could afford it but why should i? Cos its my server? Yeah maybe but why shouldnt players be able to help n get rewards for it? think about that.

I dont think your first paragraph is neccassery at all, theres no need to start insulting people, this is a discussion thread, the idea is to discuss an issue, not escalate it to an arguement. So try to keep that in mind please.

For my server im going to just have normal paypal donations, with no benefits as of yet, i might add something as a benefit but it would be like, web-based or access to an advanced test server or something, ooo perhaps inter-server access. I dunno, something like that, something which would be interesting to have like access to a restricted map with slightly higher exp rate or drop rate.

Nothing massively altering.

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Originally Posted by Korvacs I dont think your first paragraph is neccassery at all, theres no need to start insulting people, this is a discussion thread, the idea is to discuss an issue, not escalate it to an arguement. So try to keep that in mind please. For my server im going to just have normal paypal donations, with no benefits as of yet, i might add something as a benefit but it would be like, web-based or access to an advanced test server or something, ooo perhaps inter-server access. I dunno, something like that, something which would be interesting to have like access to a restricted map with slightly higher exp rate or drop rate. Nothing massively altering.

First, congratulations on becoming a Moderator Korvacs!:)
I'm fine with Yuki saying such things, been lurking long enough without being registered to know who and what he is and i can't really get worried about that.

As for your server, i'd rather see no privileges at all for someone who spends money on something he enjoys. Maybe that's just me and ofcourse it's up to the owner of the server to decide what he wants to do or not.
Your idea that if you do allow privileges for donating sounds good enough. Not that much of a trouble like "full +12 for $50".
Someone has to make a change some day, i can't do it on my own.

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Originally Posted by Korvacs I dont think your first paragraph is neccassery at all, theres no need to start insulting people, this is a discussion thread, the idea is to discuss an issue, not escalate it to an arguement. So try to keep that in mind please. Sorry. .....

And well if you looked on my sales page u will see even a 1$ donation gets a reward even if its only a [Donator] on the end of his name...

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Originally Posted by ElitePVPer10 Server costs? There are some costs yes. Why not let people who play the game donate for keeping the server online. Not for privileges. Staff rewards? In the few years that i've been around it was ran by volunteers who enjoyed the game, community and more. They want money now for moderating a forum or logging in every day and answer a few questions? lol Domain costs? Domains cost nothing these days. You must be really poor not to afford a domain. Not people who are into this make-quick-money-scheme.

Seeing as how society is very greedy nowadays, I doubt many people will just donate for nothing in return.

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Originally Posted by Hepatitis C Seeing as how society is very greedy nowadays, I doubt many people will just donate for nothing in return.

But that's the point. You are not donating for nothing, you are donating to support the server by keeping it online and enjoying yourself while playing it.
I just can't find the logic in "Oh i gave you money now i want something more in return while playing the game you deliver".
It's like buying a new car and you want the newest radio with it or you wont buy it.

And correct on the society being greedy but if we, the players and community can make a change, why not try it? It's only gonna be better if we get rid of those newb servers with their "sales".

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Originally Posted by LetterX The problem is lack of choice. Almost every server available right now is either Binary or that Unstable garbage they call 5165 (hell, even Qonquer has an online store). So from a players standpoint, you get the choose, either a stable, but no development server or one that's buggy as hell, lacks a bunch of features, and expect the project not to last, and you'll see why binaries are so successful (for now), and the people running the binary servers are taking advantage of that (along with pissing TQ off and ruining it for the rest of us). So the way to get the players from binaries to a source-based server is to actually make a competent and stable server. And a problem is, Tanel's LOTF 5165 source (and 5017 one) is, in my opinion, just destroying the thought that it is possible to have a stable source-based, feature-full leveling server and it not be rocket science. And that's because the only leveling sources released recently are CoEmu v2 (not the best, and not a lot of features), Binary, LOTF 5165 (Utter shit, even after the 7th+ version), and LOTF 5017 (acceptable, as it is Tanel's "2nd" source..but still doesn't cut it), and unfortunately, majority of the source-based leveling servers are based off of either binaries or the variants of LOTF (but v5017 is dying off quickly for the newer 5165 x.x) So what it comes down to is shit, piled on top of shit, with even more shit. You just get to pick what shit you like best.

That's not really lack of choice, let's take qonquer for example.. I do not really accept their concept which is pretty tq-ish in my eyes, but fak sake, they're offering something in exchange. Few days ago I was checkin them of a curiosity, since they came back to epvpers and i gotta say that i was pretty much impressed. Never seen features such as roulette in conquer-like game before. Also, just a fact they're servin it for years, not weeks.

And opposite side, filled with people which pay loads of money to play as a GM on a server that lasts from few days to few months. On a server that puts "FULLY TRANSLATED" in it's description... Oh wow, never knew I gotta spend money to read few in-game windows in "english".

Now compare those two paragraphs. Don't forget some of servers, such as example stated in second paragraph, are gettin x times more players and money.

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Originally Posted by ~Yuki~ And well if you looked on my sales page u will see even a 1$ donation gets a reward even if its only a [Donator] on the end of his name...

Not to start a war, but your server is a joke... Quote below made my day, seriously..

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Hello please join BlastCo! We are just online till one hour now and already have a chatbox full of members! Our Server is very custom: Login = Custom Birth = Custom Classes = 1 new Class Patch = 5165 or if you download our client 5173

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Originally Posted by Hepatitis C Seeing as how society is very greedy nowadays, I doubt many people will just donate for nothing in return.

Just like ElitePVPer10 stated, you should've been glad to have an opportunity to support the server you like, not to pay for something ain't worth 2 cents.

Well you should thank me then coz i impressed you