This is why the server concepts suck.

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Originally Posted by "Abner" In my own useless opinion, some of the main many reasons that lead to the death / failure of most silkroad servers are: 2. depending on donations as the only / main source of income to pay server bills, ignoring player count, which brings us back to no.1... this includes having some cool, never tried ideas like linking website to the game-play. having new events coded in an event bot, etc..

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Originally Posted by ​Exo Ye what else should people depend on to keep the server running? Also Silkroad servers fail because they are "Silkroad". Silkroad servers fail if they don't gain popularity because that's why everyone plays Silkroad. It's not fun when it's not crowded. Nobody cares about features or events. In fact, the event thing only exists to keep you doing something because there's nothing more to discover. Only the tweaks that people try to implement which takes just a few days to get used to. Back then I waited till I was level 70 to enter a cave for gods sake. Now what? Collect some coins to see this new scroll? Private Servers fail before even starting because they depend on the current player base which is used to every aspect of the game and are also not willing to play a hardly edited version of it. They play for nostalgia. Period.

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Originally Posted by iNhaLaToR @[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]creator focusing your listed points would mean change silkroad. it is silkroad and it'll always be, people requested this. our aim is to create a community of people who enjoy a silkroad with some useful tweaks to make it a bit more enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by "Abner" Its a must ofc to have donations, but only with a balanced, not hard to get, play to win alternative... Also if it is as you claim that people do not play silkroad just because its silkroad, why are you working on a silkroad server currently? Ps: anyways have a good day, i'm not here to flame or whatsoever :)

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Originally Posted by Parx* - About uniques you said that it's better to make uniques dungeon-based similar to FGW, ok it's maybe a good solution but what makes a player go there in a pt and he can go there alone to gain all the rewards for himself? i mean this killed "Challenging to kill the unique",i don't know if most people will like this. - About job based point, do you think that 1 IP/HWID limit will solve that thing? Talking about silkroad's nostalgia, in my opinion the ONLY solution to get 50% of this thing back is to get back SOX items dropping from mobs, bot 2 win? yea it will lead to this but we have to limit players from using bot permanently ( as you can't prevent players nowadays from using bot ) so that's a neutral solution i think.

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Originally Posted by Snow* If the dungeon is hard enough I bet he can't solo it, plus you can add a party requirement for the instance.

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Originally Posted by Finsterlord Hi, in this topic I want to talk about the fail concepts of basically every private server out there. I don't know what the server owners think they do. Do they even think? I highly doubt. I will list reasons why the majority (100%) of the servers nowadays suck so hard. 1) CTF - Capture the Flag This system might be ok in a CHN only server. Adding it in a server with EU is a crime. What is CTF about? Right, getting kills as a single player. You basically get rewarded for your personal performance in a party (!), fuck the others. Selfish gameplay!!! Imagine, just imagine, you play a str bard/cleric. How are your chances to get a kill? Almost non-existant I would say. Supporting roles in fact get punished because no kills mean no rewards for them. Yay nice, I healed, ressed, buffed my pt members but in the end I'm standing there with nothing valuable. All in all CTF is leading to a small build variety as everyone will do a build that can perform good as a solo char to get many kills. That's why most servers mainly see Warriors and Wizards (both as cleric sub). More problems about this: strong players will demand all the kills for themselves, thus getting even stronger. New players almost don't have a chance to catch up. So please do me a favor: Completely delete CTF. There is a much better pvp system in SRO already which gives every build a chance and even rewards the "losers". Party performance is what counts there - not the selfish gameplay. It is called Battle Arena. Never heard of it? 2) Uniques Rewarding unique kills with Silk, coins or items is another NO-GO. It will lead to the same scenario as described above. What players will get the kills? Yes, the ones with most damage. Again, this will lead to small build variety as in 90% of the cases Wizards will get kills. Adding STR-uniques (I never understood that) isn't helping much either because there will only be 1-2 STR classes to get all the kills. No, bladers and 1h-Warriors probably don't count to them. Strong players getting even stronger. It's better to make uniques dungeon-based. That way every class can get rewards from uniques either solo or in a party. Similar to Forgotten World or Jupiter Temple. 3) "job based" To be honest, I can't stand reading this phrase anymore. Sure, rewarding jobbing can be nice. In fact, jobbing is getting abused massively. Everyone having his own caravans by using multiple accounts the same time. The person with most resources and time wins. Casual players and newcomers hardly can catch up or are in fear of getting robbed permanently. The original purpose of jobbing was to interact with other players from the server. So basically you picked 1 job and other players were helping you as a trader, hunter or thief. In many threads I also see rewards for "job kills". It's as stupid as the CTF system (for more details read above). Same goes for "honor buffs" for the top x jobbers. Casual players will never be able to get these buffs. I would prefer servers where it is possible that everyone reach the same things. 4) overall 1v1 focus Majority of servers reward solo, selfish single gameplay. Why there is no EU only server for example with PTPVP tournaments and party-based dungeons and BA? Silkroad is called an MMORPG which means you actually would need to interact with the other players in the server in order to "succeed". There actually are more points to be mentioned but it would take long time to write everything down. Just to give you an idea of a few: donator vs. non-donator imbalance, idiotic skill changes and "balance attempts", dozens of different sox-types or only-1-fortress. The End. Am I the only one who thinks like this?

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Originally Posted by ​Exo Ye what else should people depend on to keep the server running? Also Silkroad servers fail because they are "Silkroad". Silkroad servers fail if they don't gain popularity because that's why everyone plays Silkroad. It's not fun when it's not crowded. Nobody cares about features or events. In fact, the event thing only exists to keep you doing something because there's nothing more to discover. Only the tweaks that people try to implement which takes just a few days to get used to. Back then I waited till I was level 70 to enter a cave for gods sake. Now what? Collect some coins to see this new scroll? Private Servers fail before even starting because they depend on the current player base which is used to every aspect of the game and are also not willing to play a hardly edited version of it. They play for nostalgia. Period.

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Originally Posted by "Abner" In my own useless opinion, some of the main many reasons that lead to the death / failure of most silkroad servers are: 1. having completely nothing new in every *new* private server being opened nowadays

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Originally Posted by Royalblade* About CTF. WicketNite once proposed the idea of "Equailzed Battlefields". That means, eveyone gets stock items while in CTF. I'd actually say, when people teleport there... Switch out all the items, sets, skills and STR/INT points. Let people set it up once and have it saved. First time it'll take a while to do this. But once it's done. It's done.

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Originally Posted by BordoMavi* One of the worst ideas in my opinion. I'm not surprised at all that this comes from him. What does this actually solve? That newcomers stand a chance against older/better geared players? This doesnt solve shit. In this case we would have to play Fortress War with default sets/builds as well (how many chinese chars are there in a guild that wins the servers biggest FW?), or kill uniques with a special weapon, similar to a Fortress Hammer, that deals the same damage for everybody to give bladers or bards a chance. The problem is not only the weakness of newcomers compared to the others, the thing is that CTF is just about kills and not about WINNING the CTF. This does not only favor better geared players, it also favors builds that deal the highest damage (wizards or spear nukers for only ch servers) like other key features of the game (uniques, fortress war, jobbing). CTF is just the worst possible event to implement and should be banned from every server. As Finsterlord said, BATTLE ARENA is the way to go. I'm not speaking of random BA or Job BA (yeah job BA as well because of the unlimited team size, there are always way more traders/hunters than thieves, free win gg). I'm speaking of Party or Guild BA where you can decide yourself which guys you want to play with and where the team size is limited. (2v2, 4v4, 8v8, 16v16 or even 32v32) Imagine that you could register for BA whenever you want, as soon as a matching enemy team is found you get a message and can teleport to the arena. Total number of entries per day: 5 or something like that. Tired of typing now. To be continued...

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Originally Posted by Royalblade* How the fuck did you just jump to conclusions worse than I could've ever imagined? Wicked's idea is great to solve the CTF issue entirely. You want shit to be fair and let people with support classes go DD? You want new players to get a chance at CTF and its' respective rewards? Well this shit does it. How the FUCK did you jump to FW having the same god damn shit? Like.. how does your brain work there? I just can't believe that you are one of these people that don't think shit through either. Wow. You just dropped back to random arab level.