Looking for team to assist with CO2 private server in Java

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10/23/2009 01:12 InfamousNoone#16
lol said what about dan and caff
PS:
Hi haydz <3.
10/23/2009 03:13 _tao4229_#17
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lol said what about dan and caff
PS:
Hi haydz <3.
1% was left for dan and caff because they're that badass.
And because dan sounds 1337 on vent.
10/23/2009 09:36 ChingChong23#18
I've pmed you.
10/23/2009 13:34 PropItem#19
I can also help but im aiming more for Java Applet on a Webpage
Kind of like Quake Live Requires a bit of downloading in order to play it
But most of it based within the Web
10/26/2009 04:54 ChingChong23#20
s.bat & I have been working on a server written in Java. You may find located in the google code SVN:

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'Jonquer' is the name of it. We will be developing this to a certain point (and leaving what's done open source) then we will continue to develop the full game closed source.
10/26/2009 06:18 Horaura#21
hows the coding going? i know little about coding but am very interested in following your project. seams like its comming along very well so far.

GL & keep it up!
10/26/2009 16:08 Njowils#22
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Thanks, that really lightened up my day. I figured it was as much as that, it's like that for a lot of MMO private-server developers. The "top devs" dish out some stuff, and people feed on it, and use it to grow, or "try to grow" and wind up failing. All in all, it's the people "who can code" who wind up choosing what language is commonly used throughout the section due to distribution of "complete" code; so to speak. Is there really nobody good in this section who does use Java? I'm surprised seeing it's taught a lot more commonly in school (at least where I live) than .NET mainly for the reason "Oh my god <3 it's cross platform! Because we all know we plan on developing on a Mac or Linux and not a Windows!"
hahaha that lightened up my day aswell xD
10/26/2009 19:15 unknownone#23
What do you plan to gain from a Java server over using C#, for which masses of code already exists?
10/26/2009 21:38 _tao4229_#24
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What do you plan to gain from a Java server over using C#, for which masses of code already exists?
Originality over mostly shitty code?
10/27/2009 05:25 ChingChong23#25
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What do you plan to gain from a Java server over using C#, for which masses of code already exists?
Another choice of language, ability to run on linux.

It's always good to have variety. However i also plan to write this better structured, documented, faster, more stable & more heavyweight than the other flock of C# ones floating around.

We'll see how that turns out.
10/27/2009 18:21 unknownone#26
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Originality over mostly shitty code?
It was a srs question, please give a srs answer.

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Another choice of language, ability to run on linux.
I find the word choice here to be oxymoronic, because this is where the CLI excels. Language choice and interoperability between those languages is better than what is available for the JVM.
There's at least one implementation of Java for the CLI, meaning that you'd be able to code in the language and still make use of all the existing C# code from there. You'd need to sacrifice the JCL in favour of the BCL though (who cares, for much of it, they're functionally identical but named differently).

Running on linux is a moot point. Mono runs on linux just fine unless you're trying to use .Net 4.0. I don't particularly see anyone making use of even .Net3.5 features like LINQ here anyway. Mono will run .Net 2.0 code without trouble.

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It's always good to have variety.
Variety is good when code is interoperable, but otherwise, it sucks. It means unnecessary rewrites, additional maintenance, and lack of cooperation with other developers, which is already one of the problems on this forum.

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However i also plan to write this better structured, documented, faster, more stable & more heavyweight than the other flock of C# ones floating around.

We'll see how that turns out.
I doubt you'll get any performance increase using Java unless at the cost of the stability you also wish for. What constructs does Java offer to better structure code that you can't do in C#?


Don't let me dissuade you, but I just don't see any advantage whatsoever to start using Java now (unless you're compiling to CIL). If you already had plenty of code written in Java (think Qonquer), then is might be reasonable, otherwise, you can achieve everything you want with C#, making use of existing code and saving a lot of effort.
10/28/2009 06:16 ChingChong23#27
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It was a srs question, please give a srs answer.



I find the word choice here to be oxymoronic, because this is where the CLI excels. Language choice and interoperability between those languages is better than what is available for the JVM.
There's at least one implementation of Java for the CLI, meaning that you'd be able to code in the language and still make use of all the existing C# code from there. You'd need to sacrifice the JCL in favour of the BCL though (who cares, for much of it, they're functionally identical but named differently).

Running on linux is a moot point. Mono runs on linux just fine unless you're trying to use .Net 4.0. I don't particularly see anyone making use of even .Net3.5 features like LINQ here anyway. Mono will run .Net 2.0 code without trouble.



Variety is good when code is interoperable, but otherwise, it sucks. It means unnecessary rewrites, additional maintenance, and lack of cooperation with other developers, which is already one of the problems on this forum.



I doubt you'll get any performance increase using Java unless at the cost of the stability you also wish for. What constructs does Java offer to better structure code that you can't do in C#?


Don't let me dissuade you, but I just don't see any advantage whatsoever to start using Java now (unless you're compiling to CIL). If you already had plenty of code written in Java (think Qonquer), then is might be reasonable, otherwise, you can achieve everything you want with C#, making use of existing code and saving a lot of effort.
Oh don't worry, you don't put me off 1 bit, ill be continuing with this server.

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What constructs does Java offer to better structure code that you can't do in C#?
I was talking more at design level, not language. I'm only comparing my project to LOTF (C#) which is what i use as a reference purely only for packet structures. But also taking a look at that code, i'm not much of a C# person but i know enough to know that it's written & designed quite poorly.

I'm not saying ill get more speed/performance out of this because its written in Java over a C# one. i'm simply saying the way ill be designing it hopefully will be faster than the current C# one's, and follow proper language code conventions.

LOTF looked more of a proof of concept that it could work. In reality, that piece of software would fail hugely in the real world (and as it does now, or so i read) almost all incoming packets are not handled for unexpected outcome. (for example not enough data, not the correct data) etc, a proxy sending some false data would ruin a server running LOTF, it also lacks a lot of abstraction (have you seen how the NPCs are handled? i believe its the same on CoEmu too).

This server isn't about promoting it because it's written in Java, i'm just more proficient in Java and will work with what i got.
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