Official V3n0M Thread

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Originally posted by bone-you~v.2@Aug 6 2007, 14:02 "Cleaning" something in hex is fine and dandy though it's retarded to make something so difficult when you could just take a disassembler to it. ******************************************* I don't care whether it's non-recompilable or not. I don't get why you keep saying that because it doesn't matter. ******************************************* You need to better word your sentences because it looked like you were saying that about me. *EDIT* True i couldve worded it better granted ******************************************** lol. This whole project is bunk. Hex editing a proxy to give it new features. I can understand hex editing to remove features and disable parts of the code, but adding entire features? Let's see some proof of that. *EDIT* MMMmmmkkkaayyyyyyy....

Ummm so which is it? make up your mind! Either it can be done or it cant,,, who said I "Added" Features in hex? I Altered features in Hex,,,, It clearly says that in the first page,,, if you where able to read english and understand that yourd know.

I cant clean and re-do something and release it as my own??? How stupid are you Nproxy is Qoproxy and thats EXACTLY what Qoproxy is for! So BMW cant sell there new cars cause the have Re-designed Ford Engines?? P-Off fraggle..... Ive stated many times all I did was clean a alredy available proxy,,, and unlike most ive actually given the credit to iliveoncaffiene instead of Net7 like most retards do.

If Caff says im allowed to redo his Proxy,,, WTF are you chatting shite for, same as the new proxy source Im using, ITS BEING UPDATED!!!

You cant even understand the basic concepts of HOW i cleaned Nproxy,,, FFS the creator of the program even gave me credit for doing it!, Editing is simple, Updating in Hex would be nigh-on impossible, I never said I was ADDING features in Hex,,, I said I was UPDATING it in Hex,,, knowing which values are wrong and changing them is a simple job.

THE V3n0M TEAM ARE HERE TO MAKE AND UPDATE PROXIES FOR THE PUBLIC,,, IF ITS POSSIBLE TO UPDATE A OLD CODE TO MAKE IT WORK THEN WE WILL!!! ALL PEAPLE WHO'S CODE WEVE USED HAVE BEEN ASKED AND PERMISSION GRANTED! IF THE CREATOR SAYS OK THEN YOUR NOBODY SO GO PLAY WITH TRAFFIC!!!

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Originally posted by bone-you~v.2@Aug 6 2007, 14:02 I didn't demand I remove aim. I support giving it out. I'm not a convenient exploiter like you are. I suppose all types of hacks whether or not they affect me. You only support hacks that don't affect you though. Re-releasing? Exactly. That's all you're doing. You take an old proxy, remove the old bad stuff (easily done, not saying you can't do that), repackage it and re-release it. The thing is, that's nothing special. None of it is really your work nor can you claim it as yours. If you take nProxy and remove the bad stuff it's still nProxy. You can't slap your name on it and get karma for it. That's not right. Also, if DM or a1 think I need a warning they can give it to my main account since I can't access it right now. I'll take a warning if they think I need one. I'm just pointing out facts that you're just slapping your name on something you didn't make. Your "newest" thing that you're working on may be different, but your so called beta was just a preworking proxy with your name on it. I don't care whether it's non-recompilable or not. I don't get why you keep saying that because it doesn't matter. "Cleaning" something in hex is fine and dandy though it's retarded to make something so difficult when you could just take a disassembler to it. That I'm not arguing with. The issue here is you claiming you can ADD features with hex. You've been trying to tell me that the entire time and in msn. You don't just go in through hex adding random values and hope they work. If you were so pro as to be able to do that you would not be making the posts you are now. You'd be confident enough in your skill that you would not need to reply to me. ANYWAY, my apologies a1/DM. If you think I need a warning give it to my main account for when I get back access to it or delete my posts. Was just trying to point out to her that she was trying to hold others back but wouldn't be held back herself (with being told what to and not to release)

well said.
except he probably hasn't removed the loggers.
adding features through hex? wouldn't it be easier to just code your own proxy :rolleyes:

Nope, itd be stupid spending weeks writing new code from scratch when theres already good code there that just needs fixing,,, keyloggers? in Nproxy? are you stupid aswell it didnt have Keyloggers, it had a command that sent your cached username and password to qonquer, which is disabled by more than 1 method,,, if you dont know what your on about,, then P-off aswell!

*Edit* And no UPDATING the code in Hex would be easy,,, ADDING to it wouldnt,,, for example the autohunt feature now attacking/following Guards 2 since they where renamed from Patrol is easy.... Open in HexWorkshop, find the Asci code relating to Patrol and Overwrite it with Guard2 and Hey Presto, thats already one bug updated and fixed... So simple, so effective and works!

Ok I'm gonna risk sticking my toe in the water and watch it get bitten off :rofl:
so heres my 3 cents worth...

I've been following this project since inception, mostly for entertainment value, not taking any sides here cause most are making valid arguments, personally I don't think the moderators should not get involved in this discussion because it is still a discussion and not a flame war and its amusing to read :D

Yes Queen is evil but she managed to pull the project together even with all that hex editing ;) not to mention the stick ppl have been giving her, so you gotta give some level of respect for that; time will tell what the truth behind the project really is.
Yeah sure it wasn't written from ground up, I think we all know that; but then shortcuts often lead to bigger things, lets take Windows as an example, if it wasn't for Gary Kildall and his CP/M there would never have been a DOS and thus no Windows or Microsoft and we would all be running apples now; ewww yuck!
But I digress, all I'm saying is if you produce something thats usefull to people(even if its not all your work) then its all good; in this arena the developers give their time and expertise for free, hmmm maybe thats a point some of you should remember.

Keyword character manipulation in game, backdoors, account stealing and other nasty features; well theres aways an inherent risk with using any third-party addon program and only your skill, knowledge and community can give you some degree of safety, if you really want to be safe you had better just pull out your internet connection. LOL don't flame me Queen, not saying V3n0M has them just pointing out the reality of things.

As for the aimbot, well yeah it does give a unfair advantage, but lets face it theres lots of versions out there most of them private so those guys have a vested interest in keeping other aimbots out of the game because they want to keep that advantage to themselves, so perhaps the only way to balance things out is to let everyone have it.
Downside with this scenario is that TQ may get totally peeved and actually get off their backsides and write some real packet encryption which means we would loose all the good packet bots. So really theres no easy answer just a lots of food for thought, my view is if players don't self moderate to some extent then things go pear shaped and you loose something that you enjoy, but then this principal extends into the real world as well :)

BTW injecting code pockets into existing programs in hex isn't new in fact its old school, mind you most sane ppl usually use disassembles and assembles to give you the hex numbers, but I suspect Queens just talking about changing open text in the code using a ascii/hex editor.

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Originally posted by joek@Aug 6 2007, 15:07 Ok I'm gonna risk sticking my toe in the water and watch it get bitten off :rofl: so heres my 3 cents worth... I've been following this project since inception, mostly for entertainment value, not taking any sides here cause most are making valid arguments, personally I don't think the moderators should not get involved in this discussion because it is still a discussion and not a flame war and its amusing to read :D Yes Queen is evil but she managed to pull the project together even with all that hex editing ;) not to mention the stick ppl have been giving her, so you gotta give some level of respect for that; time will tell what the truth behind the project really is. Yeah sure it wasn't written from ground up, I think we all know that; but then shortcuts often lead to bigger things, lets take Windows as an example, if it wasn't for Gary Kildall and his CP/M there would never have been a DOS and thus no Windows or Microsoft and we would all be running apples now; ewww yuck! But I digress, all I'm saying is if you produce something thats usefull to people(even if its not all your work) then its all good; in this arena the developers give their time and expertise for free, hmmm maybe thats a point some of you should remember. Keyword character manipulation in game, backdoors, account stealing and other nasty features; well theres aways an inherent risk with using any third-party addon program and only your skill, knowledge and community can give you some degree of safety, if you really want to be safe you had better just pull out your internet connection. LOL don't flame me Queen, not saying V3n0M has them just pointing out the reality of things. As for the aimbot, well yeah it does give a unfair advantage, but lets face it theres lots of versions out there most of them private so those guys have a vested interest in keeping other aimbots out of the game because they want to keep that advantage to themselves, so perhaps the only way to balance things out is to let everyone have it. Downside with this scenario is that TQ may get totally peeved and actually get off their backsides and write some real packet encryption which means we would loose all the good packet bots. So really theres no easy answer just a lots of food for thought, my view is if players don't self moderate to some extent then things go pear shaped and you loose something that you enjoy, but then this principal extends into the real world as well :) BTW injecting code pockets into existing programs in hex isn't new in fact its old school, mind you most sane ppl usually use disassembles and assembles to give you the hex numbers, but I suspect Queens just talking about changing open text in the code using a ascii/hex editor.

Thankyou for the most intelligent post ive read in a few days,,, at least someone else understands where im coming from. Thanks for the compliment on pulling the team together yourd be suprised how much flaming i recieved just for WANTING to help!. Well back to NetBeansIDE I gotta loada J# to do :)

#bladebot work ???

At the huge risk of having some peeps feel like they want to beat me over the head
with a very large stick after reading my post......i just have to say.......

For the love of a cold beer on a hot day...will you peeps stop dissing each other and
just get on with doing whats important here....and thats getting this thing we all love fixed.

As far as ive read,they have never claimed it to be there own and have been honest saying where it came from.
It also seems that they have permission to use it........
So omg what is the problem
Stop whining about what they are doing and just help if you want to do something useful.

A looting time is wasting and my top money bag is getting further and further behind..lol

We have installed the files and followed the read me in lakes link and still cant get it working.
The game is opening as a normal game with no commands ect.
We installed everything over the old game (nproxy).
It doesn't seem to be connecting through the proxy.
We used this before the patch and had no problems getting it to work but cant seem to this time.

are u playing on new server or old servers?

uhh...so is it working >_>

it is...

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Originally posted by Lake292@Aug 6 2007, 16:39 are u playing on new server or old servers?

old server...and thanks for the reply

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Originally posted by *ItWasntMe*@Aug 6 2007, 16:19 At the huge risk of having some peeps feel like they want to beat me over the head with a very large stick after reading my post......i just have to say....... For the love of a cold beer on a hot day...will you peeps stop dissing each other and just get on with doing whats important here....and thats getting this thing we all love fixed. As far as ive read,they have never claimed it to be there own and have been honest saying where it came from. It also seems that they have permission to use it........ So omg what is the problem Stop whining about what they are doing and just help if you want to do something useful. A looting time is wasting and my top money bag is getting further and further behind..lol We have installed the files and followed the read me in lakes link and still cant get it working. The game is opening as a normal game with no commands ect. We installed everything over the old game (nproxy). It doesn't seem to be connecting through the proxy. We used this before the patch and had no problems getting it to work but cant seem to this time.

If your connecting fine to CO just without the commands but V3n0M-Lite.exe IS running then yourll need to loggin to your server using the NEW server icon,,, I.E> I loggin through celebrities BabyIcey when i wanna play without Proxy and I loggin through Wildkindoms BabyIcey (* Where Kylin used to be *) when i want to play WITH it......


And yes,,,, it does work.

And no,,, aimbot is screwed but weve already fixed it and the other bugs so just wait till friday,,, and this time im making a self-installing Exe file so no-one can go wrong (* With the exception there'll have to download Java maybe *).
*EDIT* Hiya Lake292 :D

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Originally posted by Queen-Of-Evil@Aug 6 2007, 14:22 who said I "Added" Features in hex?

you did ;o why do you think I've been all over that topic ;o


and you say writing a new one is a waste of time. I built mine from the ground up so not only are they fully functional, but 1, I can claim it fully as my own 2, I know what every piece does, 3, it functions how I want it not how some other person made it. Perhaps most of this was a misunderstanding as we've seen from a few of your posts here >.> Either you type in better english than I give credit for or your english is choppier than I can see. I think in a foreign mindset because I deal with mostly foreigners all day long so I try to lean towards not taking an english sentence literally unless I know the person is pro english. Anyway, my first post was not a flame nor was it trying to cause a problem. I was simply pointing out how you wanted people to stop releasing certain hacks and then said how you wouldn't be held back ;o I just saw it as a little bit of hypocrisy.

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Originally posted by cuayxxx@Aug 6 2007, 05:57 Venum proxy is working but ther is a Problem for it..you get lagg ever since u try to lock out the enemy and when u got killed it dced rondomly..con you guys fix the Venum proxy?? anayways +1k for queen :) good job

Same on me :( is there any otherway to fix this? Thanks a lot!!!

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Originally posted by bone-you~v.2+Aug 6 2007, 18:24--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bone-you~v.2 @ Aug 6 2007, 18:24)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Queen-Of-Evil@Aug 6 2007, 14:22 who said I "Added" Features in hex?

you did ;o why do you think I've been all over that topic ;o


and you say writing a new one is a waste of time. I built mine from the ground up so not only are they fully functional, but 1, I can claim it fully as my own 2, I know what every piece does, 3, it functions how I want it not how some other person made it. Perhaps most of this was a misunderstanding as we've seen from a few of your posts here >.> Either you type in better english than I give credit for or your english is choppier than I can see. I think in a foreign mindset because I deal with mostly foreigners all day long so I try to lean towards not taking an english sentence literally unless I know the person is pro english. Anyway, my first post was not a flame nor was it trying to cause a problem. I was simply pointing out how you wanted people to stop releasing certain hacks and then said how you wouldn't be held back ;o I just saw it as a little bit of hypocrisy. [/b][/quote]
;) Well ok then, I apoligise my english is choppy its from local dialect words and using the net to long mostly... If you mis-understood what I meant by updating the proxy I apoligise. I do though maintain I have never,,, and I have been quoted on this before in these posts, have never claimed ANY of this to be "All" My work, in fact I mentioned in the first page of this thread that this was a "Cleaned" Proxy, the word cleaned with the "ed" on the end means that it was "Dirty" before, and all I did was Clean'ED' . I did try and make this point clear again when If you read the a few points about Nproxy, I was explaining not only that I was using a Nproxy core that I was "Cleaning" It.

The fact that when iliveoncaffiene sent me the Pm's not only explaining what all the features meant, and about Net7, and how he had collapsed the file tree by converting from 3 diffrent lanquages informed me alot how he'd built the core exe. Indeed if you where to spend A LONG time, going through line by line and renaming ALL Class refrences and splitting the old refrence files you could probably re-get it all to Pure qoproxy style source again in java class files. If anyone feels like going through all the Hundreds and Hundreds of lines, to do this process then there welcome. I decided it was quicker to use simple Hex tecniques to do it, heres how, I found all refrence to the "Dirty" commands, I then disabled them by removing the Hex refrences to them, after words, knowing that the related Hex next to it, was linked to the command word I disabled, I proceeded to "Snip" change the Hex values, like I state in the first post, As a 2nd Precaution.

If anyone wishes to complain, then do so, Ive had iliveoncaffienes Express permission to do this project with his work, and hes using qoproxy public source to make the old program, which mean, and you can quote me if you wish "I have the O.K. from everyone who started the source in the beggining to now". Qoproxy public source was given out with a message saying "I allow peaple to modify this file as they see fit", which is the one reason qoproxy source is DOMINANT in the Proxy users of CO.

Im glad you want to write your own program from scratch, good for you its alot of hard work, but thats not what im about, my aims are diffrent. Ive only wanted to bring together similar minded peape who like the same source of proxy so that we can have a team willing and able to constantly update, that is there for publics intrest now our own. Ive even stated in the first Post again I refer to... That I am not a Programmer, I am a Re-Coder, If you clicked "My website" button yourd understand WHERE i learnt my coding style from. I dont care if peaple want to flame me anymore, the team is together, progress has been made and Ill be happy to release V3n0M 4353-2 by friday fully working with features.

Well take care bone-you and good luck on your project, and please remember our aims are diffrent, but the effect is the same, we both wish to help here at EPvPers id rather we get on. :)