[MMOLazy.com] Zuras-Bot for EU/US | Lvling | Gathering | Farming

[Izeliae]

i know this isnt exactly an english forum, but if you dont understand the language well enough to understand what i said maybe someone you should ask someone to translate it for you.

here, i'll paraphrase it for you so maybe you can understand it this time
mmolazy doesnt pay me enough to be on call 24/7 to write you custom scripts.
if you want me to write you custom scripts, you gotta fill the gap that mmolazy doesnt pay.

im not sure how you got confused by the $7 statement, i'll try to reword it for you though.
if you can't afford $7 a month to purchase the bot itself, you surely couldnt afford my hourly rate for personal private coding services that would apply in the event that you ever hired me to write you a CC for the bot. i dont work for $7/hr, mcdonalds pays more than that.

as for the not playing tera anymore, duh. thats kind of been the biggest highlight of zuras for the last 3 months is that theres no devs for it. i just update it and fix bugs that are reported so the people who DO play tera and want to bot can still use it. i guess i could quit updating it and you wouldnt have one at all.

are you done trying to troll?

Originally Posted by aaaaaa24

Before u spam again fix your bot until it too late but i think it is...... u wont get more customers u can get sure of that.... just look me. I never bought your product and i already can see hundreds of forum posts and comments how zuras bot sucks...... just fck off from this forum and stop scamming ppl. Ppl payed for product and get several days of downtime and 30% working bot AND feature where u need to pay ONLY DEV who cant patch bot in 1 day but he can find time to make some custom scripts.... u think u are promoting your bot very good but as guy who visited your forum i can see that forum is dead and its active only when ppl complaining. Only dev and moderator is here to defend product, where are your customers, why they wont say anything? Last thread on your forum is about u patch bot, wow that is great news, ppl need to wait over 3 days to bot and they ARE NOT EVEN REFUNDED OR EXTENDED TIME..... but dont think that thread is good because they patched bot... open thread and u will see so much ppl complaining (YES COMPLAINING AGAIN) how mount,skills etc wont work, some ppl have disconnect problems etc but he doesnt give a sh!t..... dont buy this bot he will just scam u..... i already posted this on few forums so they are aware of situation. Hope no1 will buy this bot ever again.

tl;dr, see the above line about trolling.
did catch the one line with caps.
"ONLY DEV who cant patch bot in 1 day"
well, see my previous post about how it was updated on the day of the patch? nope you skipped it. wee.

[griefage]

Originally Posted by Izeliae

support would be a lot easier if the rest of the dev team didnt suck.



yep, im a member here too.
just because a feature is given (custom classes) doesnt mean we are responsible for making them for you. its a feature, you can either take advantage of it or whine its too hard and not bother. the API is very straightforward although overly verbose, so learning it shouldnt take more than a few minutes. you dont have to write a full program to use a CC, and theres enough examples to figure out what you are doing.

i'll never consider "not enough CCs" to be a valid complaint.

you miss the point izeliae. i posted a honest review of what i've experienced with zuras since i've bought it comparing it to other bots i've used over the years. you can take it personal or for what it really is.

the basic simple combat system in it is garbage and you know it and have stated it several times. you actively recommend using shurens and mani's...which we do use. my point is those are customer provided CC's. so when they stop playing we're forced to use the crippled simple combat if we don't know how to code since its "not your job to update them". sorry dude, thats not acceptable, and neither is your arguement.

i'm not asking for you to personally go code CC's for zuras. should have originally been apart of the bot but whatever. you frequently say how you don't get paid enough and how much you get paid per hour. good for you, however you are working for mmolazy. i openly admit that you are the only dev that seems to communicate on mmolazy forums at all or do any updates. it was never an attack on you....you have to work with some devs that don't do shit.

Originally Posted by lel123

The argument that we should all code CC ourselved is just plain stupid, the fact that there is a monthly fee for A FUCKING BOT, would have just been enough to cross the line but what's worse it that you now demand the consumers to learn C# programming code in order to create a custom class so that they can go bot.

How about this, I will sell you my computer chassi, you get to have it for 5.99$ a month and the best part is that you are allowed to put in your computer hardware in it, for the expense of your valuable time.

That is fucked up. There are so many things wrong with that.

^ exactly my point. its not our fucking job to code anything lol. we paid mmolazy to do that for us by buying zuras and the monthly fee. did you think we wanted to just give money away monthly for no reason? we bought and paid for a working bot, if we don't get that then there's no way you can put the blame on customers.

i'm using it, i paid for it. i certainly can voice my opinions on it. i get that probably all of the devs from mmo lazy probably don't play the game they provide bots for...but they still pick up a check for a working bot. its not even remotely cool to call anything the customers say as "whining" or bitching when they aren't getting what they paid for.

which is worse?

someone hacked the bot and had it running after the patch before zuras was updated at mmolazy

or the people that pay the monthly fee not having a working bot because mmolazy is concerned they aren't getting paid for all the people using the cracked zuras bot?

i just find the mentality disturbing. you provide a service that you don't want to maintain, but you do want the reoccurring income.

i'm not bashing anyone or any company here, just stating my opinion of the service i PAY for. ryu seems like a douche but izelial isn't that bad...even tho his argument is flawed :P

[aaaaaa24]

Fix bugs that are reported (do world a favor and kill yourself)

If you are fixing bugs ppl wouldnt complain about same things over and over again.

Lier and scammer nothing else. U are complaining mmolazy is not paying u enough WTF?? If u are good programmer then u would find job where u could make 10 times more money then making ****** bots like zuras bot. Ofc there are some ppl who have good job and they made great reputation online by making very good bots, not like u crying here they are not paying u enough. Do you ever think about ppl who payed 7euro per month to have bot, and u work how much on bot per month with all these errors and bugs? 5hours? And thats just to patch bot after update. Go cry somewhere else and dont scam ppl.

[lel123]

i know this isnt exactly an english forum, but if you dont understand the language well enough to understand what i said maybe someone you should ask someone to translate it for you.

Here is an example of not getting a joke. Translation: The joke was above your head.
It had nothing to do with your fucking language.

here, i'll paraphrase it for you so maybe you can understand it this time
mmolazy doesnt pay me enough to be on call 24/7 to write you custom scripts.
if you want me to write you custom scripts, you gotta fill the gap that mmolazy doesnt pay.

Then you should fuck off with your broken bot, @Ryu said several times in this thread that that there are working CC in their forums which not contradicts your statement. What's worse is how you even said that you wouldn't release your CC because you claimed that no one deserved, yet there were those who released it for free in the forum, and they don't get paid.
What's also worse is how you don't even play anymore and yet DECIDED you wouldn't release anything CC related.

im not sure how you got confused by the $7 statement, i'll try to reword it for you though.
if you can't afford $7 a month to purchase the bot itself, you surely couldnt afford my hourly rate for personal private coding services that would apply in the event that you ever hired me to write you a CC for the bot

Here is another example of you missing the point completely. It is not about hourly wages, that's just a childish personal attack. The real problem is that you guys want a monthly income for your bot that is not what you claim it is.

as for the not playing tera anymore, duh. thats kind of been the biggest highlight of zuras for the last 3 months is that theres no devs for it. i just update it and fix bugs that are reported so the people who DO play tera and want to bot can still use it. i guess i could quit updating it and you wouldnt have one at all.

So you now admitted that the bot doesn't get any real updates and all you do is update the inject code for newly patched Tera binaries. In your case this is bad and adds up to our cause. You really have no talent and are just a money grabbing thief and threaten to leave when you have so much to lose.

well, see my previous post about how it was updated on the day of the patch? nope you skipped it. wee.[

Your shoutout box is filled with problems, including that the patchs are way too slow.

TLR:
Izeliae is a lazy and the only developer for Zuras job, he claims his job is to only update the bot so that it can inject itself into a newly updated Tera binary, this can take up to 10 days.
He also threatens to leave the Zuras bot so that it will no longer be updated when no new features or bug fixes have been introduced for the past 3 months.
He also says he wants the customers to pay him extra for him to code a Custom Class-script because he won't release his. He has already botted 5-6 characters already and I suspect that he has already created Custom Classes for each class during his time botting and now has a scheme to scam more money by "claiming" he will code another CC on his freetime for an extra fee when he has already done that.

So now we have all the proof we need, this guy is retarded enough to admit everything, so we now have confirmation that this bot is broken and won't probably be updated anymore after this and the crack being released.

Please close this thread as ePVP users have fallen for this scam, testimonials to this can be found on previous pages.

[Izeliae]

Originally Posted by griefage

you miss the point izeliae. i posted a honest review of what i've experienced with zuras since i've bought it comparing it to other bots i've used over the years. you can take it personal or for what it really is.

i didnt even write zuras, why would i take it personal? post all the reviews you want, negative or positive. thats what reviews are for. i dont think zuras will be around much longer anyways.

the basic simple combat system in it is garbage and you know it and have stated it several times. you actively recommend using shurens and mani's...which we do use. my point is those are customer provided CC's. so when they stop playing we're forced to use the crippled simple combat if we don't know how to code since its "not your job to update them". sorry dude, thats not acceptable, and neither is your arguement.

you misunderstand how CCs work. CCs are scripted using the zuras api, they dont require the developer to update them for each patch. shuren and manithu have both quit tera quite a while ago, however the CCs use zuras's API which is what I update, so as long as i update zuras, manithu and shuren's CCs will still work. in other words, it technically is my job to update them, indirectly. so you will never be forced to use a "crippled" simplecombat. there's an additional combat system offered by one of the old devs called UCC, which is a more highly configurable simplecombat. if shurens and manithu did not release their CCs, i would recommend that.

i'm not asking for you to personally go code CC's for zuras. should have originally been apart of the bot but whatever. you frequently say how you don't get paid enough and how much you get paid per hour. good for you, however you are working for mmolazy. i openly admit that you are the only dev that seems to communicate on mmolazy forums at all or do any updates. it was never an attack on you....you have to work with some devs that don't do shit.

i never took it as a direct attack, nor would i care if it was
im not working for mmolazy, im working for zuras customers. the only reason i update the bot is so you guys can use it. originally i updated it for me and released it for others, but i dont even play anymore so now its just for you.

its not our fucking job to code anything lol. we paid mmolazy to do that for us by buying zuras and the monthly fee. did you think we wanted to just give money away monthly for no reason? we bought and paid for a working bot, if we don't get that then there's no way you can put the blame on customers.

are you poking at downtime here? or functionality.
downtime is not that bad, 48 hours to update is absolutely reasonable. for large updates more is required. the whole downtime argument didnt start until the tera f2p patch. yes it took a week to update for tera f2p, and i still say that was a fast turnover rate for the amount of changes.

there were scripts provided by the development team, they werent as intricate as you would like but thats because they were general scripts for everyone to use.
simplecombat
UCC

you have unrealistic expectations. the real problem im seeing is that most of you are used to WoW bots which have spoiled you. I'm sorry but you wont find a WoW quality bot for TERA, ever. WoW bots had a LOT of customers, and a lot of competition, so it drove the prices for bots down VERY quickly. on top of that, they had a full API to every function in WoW to work with. So now you expect every bot to have that amount of functionality and its just not going to happen, especially when games like TERA update their routines often and dont give out an API makes it a good bit harder to update. im well aware you dont care and you want fairies and magic to update the bot the instant it updates, but thats just not possible.

someone hacked the bot and had it running after the patch before zuras was updated at mmolazy

i dont doubt it

or the people that pay the monthly fee not having a working bot because mmolazy is concerned they aren't getting paid for all the people using the cracked zuras bot?

really the downtime was because JuJu not so much the crack or the update. he's far too hard to contact. the crack certainly played a part in it, but it was less than an hour of extra time tacked on. the 2 days extra was JuJu

i just find the mentality disturbing. you provide a service that you don't want to maintain, but you do want the reoccurring income.

i only update zuras because the last dev quit and left the community without their bot. what i arranged with JuJu (the owner) was that I provided updates to keep zuras running, not to improve functionality. another dev was supposed to improve functionality and he was told to quit working on zuras entirely and focus on GW2

i'm not bashing anyone or any company here, just stating my opinion of the service i PAY for. ryu seems like a douche but izelial isn't that bad...even tho his argument is flawed :P

supply and demand, there was no demand so everyone jumped ship. now its f2p and theres a bit more demand, but its still circling the drain.

@lel123 and his other account aaaaaaa24, you are so offensive and hurt my feelings, im telling mommy, boohoo. "go kill yourself" LOL that took a lot of effort to come up with. you are gonna go far in life, real far. do you actually think you are winning something with those responses? i'll go fetch you a medal for your valiant fight on the epvpers warfront.

[aaaaaa24]

wtf? other account? LOOOOL

i dont think zuras will be around much longer anyways.

WOW, post that on your dead forum.....

winning? Since i saw complaints i won, so i won before i went to battle
This is only extra to attract more ppl to see truth about bot and his epic dev. I think no1 understand how can you say that you are DEVELOPER, you develop only buggy program. Ok, you didnt create it but its your duty to take care about bot, and with each bot patch ppl complain more and more and you dont give a ****, why? dont need to answer because you already answered (crying; they dont pay me enough). No1 need tard developer who cant make or even fix problems. You cant only take credit when bot is 100% working.... (it never was but just use your imagination that you have skills to fix bot omg this was good one hahaha).

With EVERY owner whos hiring developers for bot we can just send link to this or any other thread and you will fck off like you are getting fcked off from mmolazy. This is main problem. Kid come with basics and thinking hes "developer" but when you need to fix something where you need to know advance methods he dont know how to do that. How many times he said hes fixing problems and he never fixed it? You can see same problem now and before few months on mmolazy forum. What are you doing there? You lie to owner of bot just patch bot to "work" and post in forum that you patched bot and fixed "imagination problem" ?

If you are fixing problem then fix it.... but you dont know how to fck off. From now on everyone will know you as lier and scammer.

[Pain1234]

Well honestly as i cracked his bot i reviewed most of the source code and it isnt bad. I wouldnt say hes a bad programmer but what I can say is that he doesnt know anything about how to support your customers. The way he treats the customers is horrible. When you do a presentation of what you have done then never ever discuss the feedback. Just accept it and when its a bad feedback try to make things better. If you can't do it better then provide a workaround.

Just my 50c

[Izeliae]

Originally Posted by Pain1234

Well honestly as i cracked his bot i reviewed most of the source code and it isnt bad. I wouldnt say hes a bad programmer but what I can say is that he doesnt know anything about how to support your customers. The way he treats the customers is horrible. When you do a presentation of what you have done then never ever discuss the feedback. Just accept it and when its a bad feedback try to make things better. If you can't do it better then provide a workaround.

Just my 50c

i agree with you entirely. the forum lacks decent support.
the code isnt "bad" but the implementation is horrible. while it works, zurasbot.exe is based on an archaic design and is very inefficient, but at least its modular.

@aaaaaaaaa24 did you expect me to read that? cause i didnt.

[ED-Verschenker]

um was geht es hier in den einzelnen beiträgen?

[griefage]

Originally Posted by Izeliae

you misunderstand how CCs work. CCs are scripted using the zuras api, they dont require the developer to update them for each patch. shuren and manithu have both quit tera quite a while ago, however the CCs use zuras's API which is what I update, so as long as i update zuras, manithu and shuren's CCs will still work. in other words, it technically is my job to update them, indirectly. so you will never be forced to use a "crippled" simplecombat. there's an additional combat system offered by one of the old devs called UCC, which is a more highly configurable simplecombat. if shurens and manithu did not release their CCs, i would recommend that.

Oh i understand how CC's work, and why they are there. my point is the bot is so so basic and lackluster without customer provided CC's. thats like going to a mechanic and them charging you to use their garage but you can't use their tools and you don't know how to fix your own car...but you still gotta pay!

are you poking at downtime here? or functionality.
downtime is not that bad, 48 hours to update is absolutely reasonable. for large updates more is required. the whole downtime argument didnt start until the tera f2p patch. yes it took a week to update for tera f2p, and i still say that was a fast turnover rate for the amount of changes.

ok wait...you said you had the update done in a few hours after the patch, now you say 48 hours is reasonable? no...the answer is no. its not reasonable, you know that this wasn't a major game patch and you also know it was a communication issue with the devs and lack of devs to test or work on it. you did yourself, kudos...but you know its bullshit that mmobots go down for days-weeks because other devs can't be bothered to respond to a pm or even attempt to communicate with their own fucking staff.

you have unrealistic expectations. the real problem im seeing is that most of you are used to WoW bots which have spoiled you. I'm sorry but you wont find a WoW quality bot for TERA, ever. WoW bots had a LOT of customers, and a lot of competition, so it drove the prices for bots down VERY quickly. on top of that, they had a full API to every function in WoW to work with. So now you expect every bot to have that amount of functionality and its just not going to happen, especially when games like TERA update their routines often and dont give out an API makes it a good bit harder to update. im well aware you dont care and you want fairies and magic to update the bot the instant it updates, but thats just not possible.

wrong, don't assume things you don't know. i've played mmo's for 15 years, and ran bots in almost all of them..oddly except for wow. out of all the bots, zuras is way behind. its subscription based so in theory there should be support, fixes, improvements...but there are none. even in bots that require you purchase them you get quicker updates, free to use bots are quicker...yeah man, its fucked up. you can make whatever excuse you want but you know its bullshit. you were talking to me about 0day updates for your own bots...why would you defend zuras now when you said you had the update done in a few hours and it still takes days to implement. you contradict yourself.

i know juju is the bottleneck to updates or any progress on the bot, but don't sit here and defend a subscription based bot that non customers (people that hacked it) are getting quicker updates than paying customers. face it, the bot is not complete. the whole design was to let customers use CC's and then the devs of zuras don't have to spend time on developing the ucc or simple combat. maybe it wasn't the full intention but it sure worked out that way.

[noil360]

can some one tell me how to config my bot? i just start and try make this work.. i copy the info from screenshots you have here.. but when i clic to start it says i need to patch 1.

PLZ hellp a noob here!

[Silkrocker]

Originally Posted by noil360

can some one tell me how to config my bot? i just start and try make this work.. i copy the info from screenshots you have here.. but when i clic to start it says i need to patch 1.

PLZ hellp a noob here!

You are just to lazy to read the thread, uhm? Well anyway a fault confessed is half redressed, noob!

[lel123]

Originally Posted by griefage

wrong, don't assume things you don't know. i've played mmo's for 15 years, and ran bots in almost all of them..oddly except for wow. out of all the bots, zuras is way behind. its subscription based so in theory there should be support, fixes, improvements...but there are none. even in bots that require you purchase them you get quicker updates, free to use bots are quicker...yeah man, its ****** up. you can make whatever excuse you want but you know its bullshit. you were talking to me about 0day updates for your own bots...why would you defend zuras now when you said you had the update done in a few hours and it still takes days to implement. you contradict yourself.

i know juju is the bottleneck to updates or any progress on the bot, but don't sit here and defend a subscription based bot that non customers (people that hacked it) are getting quicker updates than paying customers. face it, the bot is not complete. the whole design was to let customers use CC's and then the devs of zuras don't have to spend time on developing the ucc or simple combat. maybe it wasn't the full intention but it sure worked out that way.

Couldn't have said it better!

[jeffy90]

IT work 110% dont come here talk bullshit it outdate blabla it work realy good for money great combat cc everting

[Izeliae]

Originally Posted by griefage

Oh i understand how CC's work, and why they are there. my point is the bot is so so basic and lackluster without customer provided CC's. thats like going to a mechanic and them charging you to use their garage but you can't use their tools and you don't know how to fix your own car...but you still gotta pay!

the CCs that were released by the community were so excellent that trying to release a better one would be insulting.

ok wait...you said you had the update done in a few hours after the patch, now you say 48 hours is reasonable?

these are 2 completely unrelated sentences.
yes 48 hours is reasonable.
yes i had the update done in a few hours after the patch, well i should say in a few hours after i got home from work which was like 8 hours after the patch but thats irrelevant, the update was finished 0day, and could not be published due to bottlenecks with JuJu. i'm not going to argue about how fucked up that is, we both agree on it.

wrong, don't assume things you don't know. i've played mmo's for 15 years, and ran bots in almost all of them..oddly except for wow. "..." you were talking to me about 0day updates for your own bots...

the majority of my code is updated 0day. once in a great while, either due to an anticheat update or large content update, it takes longer. if the bot was an autoit script that clicked areas of the screen this wouldnt be an issue - but with a bot that uses engine functions things can get a little crazy with a large update. the f2p update for tera was a perfect example of this. i personally believe extensions should have been given for the downtime (i extend anything over 48 hours on my site) but its not my call to make.

why would you defend zuras now when you said you had the update done in a few hours and it still takes days to implement. you contradict yourself.

i havent contradicted myself. the reason it took days to implement was juju wanted the crack fixed, but he wasnt around to reply. we've already addressed and agreed on this problem. lets move on.

"..." the bot is not complete. the whole design was to let customers use CC's and then the devs of zuras don't have to spend time on developing the ucc or simple combat. maybe it wasn't the full intention but it sure worked out that way.

the bot will never be complete, theres always something else you can add. i've never met a developer that would truly call any project complete that wasnt a moron. theres always things that can be changed, optimized, added, tweaked, made more user friendly, etc.
when someone says something is complete, they simply mean its no longer supported.

the UCC is plenty for writing some very intricate scripts with no scripting knowledge.
i have nothing further to say on the grounds of combat classes as we are running in circles so let us agree to disagree. you want more, as a customer you certainly should always want more. i want less, you are already complaining about update times, why would i want to add more features that make it take longer to update? i'd prefer to gut custom classes entirely and integrate shuren's combat with a archer class and a follower/buffer mode for healers, then remove CCs entirely. good thing its not my call, right?

ps: i looked into the use a campfire thing, theres no setting in zuras that tells it to drop a campfire item... theres a move to outpost campfire option but not a use campfire option

well i hope i informed or helped you with any problems/questions/concerns you might've had, im done with this thread. anything that you are still unhappy with we can agree to disagree on and if that is too many variables for you then simply do not subscribe to zuras. have a good day =p