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Rework the TBM Rating Support

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Rework the TBM Rating Support

Hey

I've been ghosting epvp since 6 years before joining 3 years ago and there is only ONE thing I want to change, and here is my first post on this section regarding that:

The TBM Rating Support

First of all, I would like to thank the staff for being really quick on solving the case even for some hard ones. Especially Luke that has a clear view and take the case as they are happening on a Real Tribunal/Juridiction and solve them by just pointing 2 simple things:

- What was the deal & Did it happen ?
- If it didnt goes well, who's fault is on ?

But the problem after that. Is that it doesnt punish, it just keep giving second chance, third chance, ... as many as infinite.
People scamming or intentionnally not respecting the trade made by the 2 persons, just go away and continue trading on the forum as nothing happened. Just a little -1
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Now here is what I suggest:
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Creating a "Scam Report" section visible ton everyone


Making an offial guide on the section like: "How to file a Scam Report" this will make it easier to handle for the staff.


→ Now what will happens with the scam report?

If the person scammed have enough proof (even if not), a moderator/admin will allow to the trade partner/the accused 24h/48h to answer and give a valid statment by tagging the "scammer". When the scammer is tagged by a moderator/admin he will RECIEVE A MAIL (so there is not a single chance for him to not be aware of his scam acusation. If he doesnt answer or doesnt refund the person scammed, he will be INSTANTLY BANNED, there is not a single minute extra to let him continue trading on the forum because the scamed person leaving a negative Rating IS NOT ENOUGH. This should be sever, clear, and fast. No second chance.
This will also allow new users on the forum not getting abused by old member by not using the Request A Trade system.
This will rework the support regarding scamming. And will affraid any other person who will try to scam.

Now you will reply to me:

All is planned dont worry.
The scammer will have to pay a X€ fee extra to the user scammed if he doesnt want to be banned. This fee will be given to epvp donation section (cf. [2])by the user that have been helped, as a "thank" or "handling fee of the scam report". (I was thinking as something about 1 or 2€)
This will cover the time spent helping the person. This avoid forcing someone paying a whole year of Premium or Other badge just to get help for ONE case

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Donation section


This is a simple section that will allow people like me who wants to support Elitepvpers for a custom amount and not being "forced" to give specific amount to get badge or other stuff unwanted.
This section will also be used to pay "handling case fees" such as the Scam Report section or Ban Appeal section (cf. [3])
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Ban appeal section


Again a simple section, but this will allow people banned that couldnt give a statement about their scam accusation or someone who has missunderstood the forum rules (such as multi accounting etc...) Each case will be handled after paying a fee (1€ or 2€). Again, this "fee" is really symbolic since it clearly doesnt cover the time spent, but helping the forum living.
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Thanks for reading till here.
Now as you can see, everything is planned. And all this is made to help ELITEPVPERS AND THE USERS.
Everyone wins.

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What is the point of banning a scammer?
He will just create a new account.

With a negative rating, everyone can think for himself, if he wants to trade with him or not.

In some cases the scammer will still get banned or will receive a trade restriction.
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What is the point of banning a scammer?
He will just create a new account.

With a negative rating, everyone can think for himself, if he wants to trade with him or not.

In some cases the scammer will still get banned or will receive a trade restriction.
There is no point of baning a scammer ? ****
I guess there is no point of puting in jail a murderer aswell. He will start again after his 20 years in jail

It's not about preventing. Prevention is made from the user side. It's about punishment. A scammer lose his account (even if he was 100/0/0).
It will be also really annoying for him to create a new account, get back his 100 TBM, creating a new trade, make a new reputation etc... It's all about being severe, to dissuade someone to scam. This will also give to Elitepvpers some money

Also what about people abusing new user and not using the Trade system ? This will give them a chance to report a scammer
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There is no point of baning a scammer ? Damn
I guess there is no point of puting in jail a murderer aswell. He will start again after his 20 years in jail
It is difficult to compare it with real life. The murderer can not create a new account


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It's not about preventing. Prevention is made from the user side. It's about punishment. A scammer lose his account (even if he was 100/0/0).
It will be also really annoying for him to create a new account, get back his 100 TBM, creating a new trade, make a new reputation etc... It's all about being severe, to dissuade someone to scam. This will also give to Elitepvpers some money
That is a good point, but it only makes sense to accounts, in which effort was put in (like high number of ratings, posts etc.)
But I think most of the scammers are relatively new users. They do not care if their account is banned.

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Also what about people abusing new user and not using the Trade system ? This will give them a chance to report a scammer
Those people can still report it in the complaint section, if they have enough evidence.
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Those people can still report it in the complaint section, if they have enough evidence.
Unfortunatly not :/
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Unfortunatly not :/
You can still report him, if you have enough evidence.
Just go to "Support" then "My problem is not listed here".

Unfortunately, it is not clear, that you are allowed to do this.
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If the person scammed have enough proof (even if not), a moderator/admin will allow to the trade partner/the accused 24h/48h to answer and give a valid statment by tagging the "scammer". When the scammer is tagged by a moderator/admin he will RECIEVE A MAIL (so there is not a single chance for him to not be aware of his scam acusation. If he doesnt answer or doesnt refund the person scammed, he will be INSTANTLY BANNED, there is not a single minute extra to let him continue trading on the forum because the scamed person leaving a negative Rating IS NOT ENOUGH.
There's a big problem with that, which shouldn't be a thing. Banning people is absolutely irrelevant (see people like RAM/SAS). You can simply create a new account which doesn't go against the Elitepvpers rules. I also see no reason to pay Elitepvpers a fee for everything when I can just create another account.

To be honest, I pretty much dislike everything that has been given as a suggestion. Elitepvpers shouldn't be responsible/take action because the user is too stupid to find the right trading partner. If you get scammed from a high TBM-user, then it's simply unlucky. Trading in a forum is always high-risk/high-reward. You see scamming always from one side of a coin, but it always has two sides of a coin making situations completely different.
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Sorry, but we decided to not rework the tbm rating support.
Anyways, thanks for your suggestion!
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