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Someone has to pay your electricity bill. 24/7 botting costs money.
Thats one point where you lose cash.
And yes. IMHO it is a waste since there are much better ways to invest your money in. But thats not my business.

Besides that I do not really believe that you are able to sell that much gold which allows you to effort VIP Plat/VIP VIP and all the other stuff every month.
We are talking about >500€ every single month if you want VIP Platinum (which is needed if you want to be one of the best).

Just a small overview:
Premium Plus: 290 Silk = 29€
Astral/Immortal: 20 - 40 Silk = 1€ - 2€ per unit (at least 18 stones if everything is going to +15 first try)
Wheel of Fortune: 100 Silk/10 units = 10€ (how much you need depents your luck)
Wheel of Fate: 50 Silk/10 units = 5€ (how much you need depents your luck)
Devil Spirit S: Requires (Premium) Magic Pop Cards (10 - 25 Silk per unite; also depents on luck).
Pickpet-Clock/DS-Clock = 50 Silk each = 5€
VIP INT/STR Scrolls: 30 Silk = 3€ each
HP/MP + 200: 25 Silk = 2,50€/11 units

As soon as DG 12 will be out the alchemy expenditures will reach a new level anyway.


According to my experience this are uasually the expenditures every player has if he wants to be one of the top players on a server. Sure it does not look that much. But do not forget that the whole alchemy Bullshit is totally random. With bad RNG (which will be the case most of the time) you will easily need to spend 500€. Of course you can argue that the equipment is a "one time investment". But in reality this is not the case. As soon as another player gets a better plus on his set players will usually start plussing again (look at my example in my other post). And then everything starts again. Besides that Jomax/JCP are going to release a new cap when they notice that people do not buy that much alchemy items anymore.
My elecricity bills are nearly nothing, not even worth taking into account. Considering you think I'm paying more than I earn from selling gold let me just make a simple oversight for you.

My main vip 3:
- 1000 silk usage
- 300 silk usage due to 5x (50 str & int) 30 silk each = 10 total = 300 silk

1300 = 130$

2x vip 2 pt for 2 months (buying on the 2nd of the month making it 2 months long)

simple 16x 30($) = 480$

so basically 480$ + 130$ = 610$

total of 610$ for a very good char and all scrolls etc making my shit ready for everything during this entire cap. This means with the CURRENT rate of gold selling 100m = 10$ (it used to be better rates) I'd need 6,1b to pay my shit off.

Daily income about 100m. 60 days = 6b = 600$
BA (ONLY GUILD CUZ IM LAZY) WIN = 112 I win 4x per week meaning 448. 1 = 1m (low price) meaning 448m = 44,8$

Above is only taking into account my 'certain income' meaning, the silks that I 'bought' arent sold for gold in this case (which I do) and I also only take into account i go BA 4x per week while we can go 14x per week cuz im lazy and ALSO i didnt take into account ANY SINGLE SOX ITEM i got from the daily quest. Just to give you a rough esimate I sold in 2 months time (12 days left to be very precise) lamp rewards for 2,2b and IM VERY UNLUCKY.
220$.

If you're lazy that is a total of 1178,4$ and I paid 610$. And this doesn't even include me selling silk items, doesn't include me going to EVERY ba and to say the least doesn't take into account I have jesus on my shoulder and I'm lucky for once in my daily quest life x)

Edit: Before you start saying this is taking the 'optimal situation' of everything, nah this is kind of the low especially considering I took the gold price of right now (after 3 months of the server being online)

Edit2: I agree on the fact the $ can be put into better investment oppurntinuties, hence be putting my profits into crypto.

Edit3: Before you start saying my char isn't strong compared to others / my pt isn't as strong as it can get bla bla. Out of our standard 8/8 FW pt only 1 person did not make profit in this server whom only spend 240$ and before you start talking about our party / chars not being 'the strongest' you should've checked my stream during fortress, our pt first of all had the most kills in FW, also wiped a union with 50 players with only OUR party no outside help and obviously winning the fortress (most wins thus far in the server =) )

Edit 4: But wow FW isn't everything!!! Considering I'm a wiz/lock in this server with a robe set purely for FW, I will take into account my war/rogue friend that's in the same pt as me, let's just say that he tryhards and has an ROI of approx 1,5k %



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IMHO it is just sad. On the one hand you are trying to defend your spending sprees. But on the other hand you are kind enough to show to the world how JM/JCP "earning their money".
I mean yea. It is your money and you are allowed to do what ever you want.
But dude. 600+$...IMHO this is not normal. I mean it is great for you if you always sell enough gold to refinance your hobby. But dude 600+$ for a 13 year old game. This a a crazy amount of money. But sure. I know people who spent more than 1000$ into the game. Comparing to that your amount looks pretty small. I am also not really sure if you really mentioned everything in your calculation. Especially you have not mentioned the costs you are investing for alchemy and stuff (or maybe I have overseen it?). Fixed costs are never that much of a deal comparing to variable costs. But I do not even want to know it. So it is fine.

Let's assume you are right and you really are one of the few people who spend a whole lot of money and still does not make a loss at the end of the month. Whats with all the other guys who purchase your gold? It does not look like they make a whole lot of gold to sell it. Otherwise they would not buy your gold. Whats with the guys who spend even more money into the game? Do they also sell enough gold to refinance their hobby? Who are those people who spend that much money on gold? There are obviously a lot of players who need to sell gold in order get real life money back. Do people even buy gold in these days? Have not heard of anyone buying gold when I was playing on Aeolus. All of them sold silk items in order to get gold.

Whats your plan with the inflation. Now you are selling 100m for 10$. But the time will come where you have to sell 500m to get 10$. Will you stop playing in that case? Or will you connect even more chars to the server in order to get even more gold per day (= Servers are getting even more crowded = More Cash for JM/JCP)?

The only two "people" in the chain who benefit from these people, who spend that much money ingame are Joymax and JCP. Neither people who spend hunderets/thousands of dollars nor the "normal" players have any benifit from these circumstances.

And yea. I still think you (and all the other players who are doing the same) are wasting their money. But if you are fine spending >600$ in a game it is fine.


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IMHO it is just sad. On the one hand you are trying to defend your spending sprees. But on the other hand you are kind enough to show to the world how JM/JCP "earning their money".
I mean yea. It is your money and you are allowed to do what ever you want.
But dude. 600+$...IMHO this is not normal. I mean it is great for you if you always sell enough gold to refinance your hobby. But dude 600+$ for a 13 year old game. This a a crazy amount of money. But sure. I know people who spent more than 1000$ into the game. Comparing to that your amount looks pretty small. I am also not really sure if you really mentioned everything in your calculation. Especially you have not mentioned the costs you are investing for alchemy and stuff (or maybe I have overseen it?). Fixed costs are never that much of a deal comparing to variable costs. But I do not even want to know it. So it is fine.

Let's assume you are right and you really are one of the few people who spend a whole lot of money and still does not make a loss at the end of the month. Whats with all the other guys who purchase your gold? It does not look like they make a whole lot of gold to sell it. Otherwise they would not buy your gold. Whats with the guys who spend even more money into the game? Do they also sell enough gold to refinance their hobby? Who are those people who spend that much money on gold? There are obviously a lot of players who need to sell gold in order get real life money back. Do people even buy gold in these days? Have not heard of anyone buying gold when I was playing on Aeolus. All of them sold silk items in order to get gold.

Whats your plan with the inflation. Now you are selling 100m for 10$. But the time will come where you have to sell 500m to get 10$. Will you stop playing in that case? Or will you connect even more chars to the server in order to get even more gold per day (= Servers are getting even more crowded = More Cash for JM/JCP)?

The only two "people" in the chain who benefit from these people, who spend that much money ingame are Joymax and JCP. Neither people who spend hunderets/thousands of dollars nor the "normal" players have any benifit from these circumstances.

And yea. I still think you (and all the other players who are doing the same) are wasting their money. But if you are fine spending >600$ in a game it is fine.
There are always gonna be people who only fund jcplanet and just play for fun, you'd be surprised that it's comparable to some private servers as to how much people spend (Check for example electus donation list).
Difference is though, usually the heavy donators in isro whom don't sell gold to earn $ and purely play for fun and just throw money at the game are people who actually earn way too much money in real life, yes I agree wasting that much money in an old game like sro is bullshit, however nostalgia is something that's priceless for some people.

So yes, in the end there is enough funding for JCplanet which I'm ok with in all honesty, I don't mind them earning money everyone can earn $ themselves to fund their stuff on the server or simply just pay yourself. It's your own decission.

I have quite a few gold buyers yes, I'm basically always 'out of stock' due to demand, however I could understand that not everyone would be able to sell gold if they've never done it before.

Gold prices will stay like this for quite some time, by the time 500m=10$ I would be making a lot more per day as well, hard to factor it in. However if for some reason my earnings from selling would not be enough for vip 2 status on my parties I wouldn't buy vip on them anymore and I'd run them on a proxy and pray that the login Q will not destroy the pt.
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Since when do you ******* care what someone does with their money? For all he cares, mighty outlewd can buy drugs and hoes on top of what he spends on what he finds fun for him.


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Since when do you fucking care what someone does with their money? For all he cares, mighty outlewd can buy drugs and hoes on top of what he spends on what he finds fun for him.
I do not really care what a single person does with his money.
But there is no doubt about that people who spend that much money in SRO are one of the biggest reason why Joymax/JCP never changed anything. At the end they made everything even worse with adding that stupid P2W-Shit like >DG 12, Devil Spirit S, VIP and so one. And thats the point where I care (and where everything else should care). At least if you really like the game. Yep, sure I stopped playing SRO back in 2012 and only played on Aeolus for like 6 month. But the game itself is still a part of my childhood. Although it sounds stupid. But thats the reason why I "still care". At least a little bit.

If people simply would stop buying this shit there is a high chance that Joymax would change stuff like that. Maybe they never would have added stuff like that. If you do not believe that games can have an impact on buisness decisions like that take a look at Star Wars Battlefront II. It is the perfect example.
If you are not familiar with that topic:







But one big problem the SRO community always had (and still have) is that they never stood togher in cases like that. There has always been shit going on that kept people from "joing together" to make a change. For example: If a new server opens why not make an agreement between all players that no one buys Silk/Coins or at least no P2W items like wheels, immortal and stuff like that. Sure it would not work with everyone. Simply because there will always be some people who need to show how big their virtual balls are.

In the end everyone would profit from something like that. Nowadays people have to write globals in order to find someone for PVP. Even stuff like fortress war is boring as fuck.
And one of the biggest reasons here is the P2W stuff. If you see someone who has a VIP Gold, Platinum or VIP VIP badget you know right away that it is not worth attacking him or doing PVP with him because he would win all the time. Whats happen while Fortress War in these cases: Players would teleport outside to try another teleporter in order to get into the fortress.
In the beginning something like that is funny for the person who would win all the time. But the point in time will come where no one wants to do PVP and stuff. Isn't it awesome if a guild holds Hotan Fortress for months because no one gives a fuck because they know they do not have a chance? Where is the fun? Sure the guild who owns the fortress will get gold all the time. But SRO is still a game that is meant to be played.

Edit: I forgot to mention something. There was one moment in the history of Silkroad where people stood together. And that was last year when Joymax thought they should start banning all bots. Guess what happened. Players got banned and spammed their support. The servers where empty as fuck because no one was able to connect 1000 characters (Fun fact: Servers would probably look like that all the time if players would not connect 1000 chars in order to farm gold). And most importantly: No one bought silk during that period. But a few weeks later Joymax changed everything again. And JCPlanet officially allowed players to use bots on their servers.


And guess what. They do not even bann clientless bots.


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Tl;dr

You care what others do with NOT your money.All that a company has to think is "why fix if it aint broken" aka their income.
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Tl;dr

You care what others do with NOT your money.All that a company has to think is "why fix if it aint broken" aka their income.
As I see you do not understand anything posted above.
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So Daziunda won a battle but I won a war. My YouTube is back, YouTube restoring my videos now.


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So Daziunda won a battle but I won a war. My YouTube is back, YouTube restoring my videos now.


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