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The point behind these types of servers is pretty simple:
There are still a lot of idiots who are "investing" an endless amount of money into the game. The fun thing here is: These people are always the same. Everytime a new server opens you will have the same people running around with VIP (VIP)*, best equipment (which means: Sun > +15), Full wheeled, Devil Spirit S and stuff like that. And while Fortress war these guys are wasting hunderets of Euros/Dollars/Whatever just to show the other people how much money they have. As you may know Fortress War is every week.

At some point JC Planet will notice that people do not buy Silk/Coins anymore. Guess what. They will do an Alchemy Event for two weeks! And during that period every Noob is running around with (at least +12). People will buy an endless amount of Astral/Immortal/Luck Stones in that time. But guess what! Right after the event is finished JC Planet will announce a new Cap! Which means: Everything starts from the beginning!

But wait. It still gets better and better. If the server finally makes it to Cap 110 (which means: >DG 12 Alchemy) they will simply open another server. So all idiots are switching to the new server and everything starts from the beginning while they still spend thousands of Euros/Dollars/Whatever on upgrading their stuipid DG 12/DG13/and so on stuff on the old server.

*VIP (VIP) is the highest rank you can get in SRO. In order to get this rank you have to be one of the ten top "Silk-buyers" during the month. In other words: You have to pay far more more than 5000 Silk (500/500$) just to get the chance to get VIP (VIP). If for example 10 dudes decided to spend 10000 Silk in a single month you have to pay 10001 Silk just to get VIP (VIP). And these dudes I am talking about are VIP (VIP) from the day the server starts until I do not know. Probably until they die.

If you thought EA/Ubisoft/Activision are the kings of microtransactions you have not heard of Joymax/JCPlanet.
I enjoyed reading that!
I wasnt realy into the offi sro anymore tbh. I started with 60cap and left with 90cap. Last week i was taking a look again on the joymax page and its crazy that they still keep going with this shady system. they totaly fuked the game in the passt years more and more...



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The point behind these types of servers is pretty simple:
There are still a lot of idiots who are "investing" an endless amount of money into the game. The fun thing here is: These people are always the same. Everytime a new server opens you will have the same people running around with VIP (VIP)*, best equipment (which means: Sun > +15), Full wheeled, Devil Spirit S and stuff like that. And while Fortress war these guys are wasting hunderets of Euros/Dollars/Whatever just to show the other people how much money they have. As you may know Fortress War is every week.

At some point JC Planet will notice that people do not buy Silk/Coins anymore. Guess what. They will do an Alchemy Event for two weeks! And during that period every Noob is running around with (at least +12). People will buy an endless amount of Astral/Immortal/Luck Stones in that time. But guess what! Right after the event is finished JC Planet will announce a new Cap! Which means: Everything starts from the beginning!

But wait. It still gets better and better. If the server finally makes it to Cap 110 (which means: >DG 12 Alchemy) they will simply open another server. So all idiots are switching to the new server and everything starts from the beginning while they still spend thousands of Euros/Dollars/Whatever on upgrading their stuipid DG 12/DG13/and so on stuff on the old server.

*VIP (VIP) is the highest rank you can get in SRO. In order to get this rank you have to be one of the ten top "Silk-buyers" during the month. In other words: You have to pay far more more than 5000 Silk (500€/500$) just to get the chance to get VIP (VIP). If for example 10 dudes decided to spend 10000 Silk in a single month you have to pay 10001 Silk just to get VIP (VIP). And these dudes I am talking about are VIP (VIP) from the day the server starts until I do not know. Probably until they die.

If you thought EA/Ubisoft/Activision are the kings of microtransactions you have not heard of Joymax/JCPlanet.
You did a good job summing things up like that, but I guess everyone knows that Joymax and now JCPlanet are a group of elite developers, of course they’ll be seeking money because they consider Silkroad Online as their one and only job. It’s sad that you can’t continue making profit out of a SRO server unless you screw the players up like the stuff you mentioned, unlike League of Legends for example, which is a free game that paying money will do you no good in, the only thing you’ll be getting is a new look. So yes, unless you’re opening a server just to watch people have fun, you’ll have to use those ugly measures.


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The point behind these types of servers is pretty simple:
There are still a lot of idiots who are "investing" an endless amount of money into the game. The fun thing here is: These people are always the same. Everytime a new server opens you will have the same people running around with VIP (VIP)*, best equipment (which means: Sun > +15), Full wheeled, Devil Spirit S and stuff like that. And while Fortress war these guys are wasting hunderets of Euros/Dollars/Whatever just to show the other people how much money they have. As you may know Fortress War is every week.

At some point JC Planet will notice that people do not buy Silk/Coins anymore. Guess what. They will do an Alchemy Event for two weeks! And during that period every Noob is running around with (at least +12). People will buy an endless amount of Astral/Immortal/Luck Stones in that time. But guess what! Right after the event is finished JC Planet will announce a new Cap! Which means: Everything starts from the beginning!

But wait. It still gets better and better. If the server finally makes it to Cap 110 (which means: >DG 12 Alchemy) they will simply open another server. So all idiots are switching to the new server and everything starts from the beginning while they still spend thousands of Euros/Dollars/Whatever on upgrading their stuipid DG 12/DG13/and so on stuff on the old server.

*VIP (VIP) is the highest rank you can get in SRO. In order to get this rank you have to be one of the ten top "Silk-buyers" during the month. In other words: You have to pay far more more than 5000 Silk (500/500$) just to get the chance to get VIP (VIP). If for example 10 dudes decided to spend 10000 Silk in a single month you have to pay 10001 Silk just to get VIP (VIP). And these dudes I am talking about are VIP (VIP) from the day the server starts until I do not know. Probably until they die.

If you thought EA/Ubisoft/Activision are the kings of microtransactions you have not heard of Joymax/JCPlanet.
Although I sure as hell agree that the more you pay the stronger you get, and that the people that are strong pay a lot to jcplanet/joymax. I disagree that they WASTE the money. For example I have probably top 5-10 char in Hestia and I didn't really waste much at all considering I sell gold for $. In the end I'll either make a decent profit or I'll play dead even.
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What about energy costs?


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Daziunda started to take actions on YouTube now aswell. I would suggest to not upload sro related videos to be on the safe side.
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Kinda 95% p-servers deserve to be reported/closed, I'm really thankfull to those who are doing this, keep up the thing.
Why?
- Simply, mostly of them are just doing reborns to make some money and close servers, and screw our wasted time & money, and coming later on with lame excuses.

#YouDon'tDeserveBetterGetClosed, kthanksbai
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Daziunda started to take actions on YouTube now aswell. I would suggest to not upload sro related videos to be on the safe side.
videos on youtube may be disputed but contacting youtube will solve it

also, youtube does not take down servers due to copyright if they already restored the, so Daziunda will get rekt on that side


can you link me to a video that got closed by them? I really want to see that case
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videos on youtube may be disputed but contacting youtube will solve it

also, youtube does not take down servers due to copyright if they already restored the, so Daziunda will get rekt on that side


can you link me to a video that got closed by them? I really want to see that case
My channel got deleted completely, w1nt0rs channel has been banned aswell.

As far as I know, w1nt0r had licensed music so did I. It had to been deleted by someone with higher priorities then a normal user report.

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videos on youtube may be disputed but contacting youtube will solve it

also, youtube does not take down servers due to copyright if they already restored the, so Daziunda will get rekt on that side


can you link me to a video that got closed by them? I really want to see that case
#added: Also contacting YouTube regarding deletion of channel is simply impossible. They provide reporting if a video got deleted but its hard aswell, and they wont give a **** these days.. I mean they used to warn u, now they just delete as they like.
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link to wiNt's channel


link to one of wiNt's videos
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Such a shame to see all of those great videos gone. I really hope he has backups.
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Although I sure as hell agree that the more you pay the stronger you get, and that the people that are strong pay a lot to jcplanet/joymax. I disagree that they WASTE the money. For example I have probably top 5-10 char in Hestia and I didn't really waste much at all considering I sell gold for $. In the end I'll either make a decent profit or I'll play dead even.
In theory every cent you invest in a dead game (which SRO clearly is) is a waste of money. Even if you sell ingame gold to reinvest it ingame. Why not using this cash to buy some other stuff in RL. Why reinvesting it in a dead game. Besides that you should also include your electricity costs for your PC in that calculation. Of course I get it that spending money in a game is nothing really bad. At least until a certain point. There are a lot of people out there (not only in SRO) who absolutely lost control over their "shopping behavior".
Maybe I should give you an example.
Back in the days when JCP released Cap 100 on Aeolus we had 2 or 3 +15 weapons on the server. Some other players always tried to get +15 aswell. Thanks to the notification system you were able to see when they fcked up (yea they were pimping really often). Sooner or later some other players were able to get a high plus on their weapon (~>+12). But at one point a guy called "Yata" went into the alchemy game without wasting more than 10$. At that point he really was more like a noname on the server. But he was the first guy who was able to get his weapon to +16. You do not believe how people freaked out. The dude who spend a ton of money on his +15 weapons also tried +16 a few days later. Of course he failed both weapons. But Yata was not finished here. He was able to get his weapon to +18 and if I remember right he also managed to get his spear to +19 without any alchemy event going on. Later he got +20 if I am right thanks to an alchemy event. But as I mentioned earlier. People really freaked about because he was so lucky. Especially because these people, who got angry, spend really much money to get to +12 or stuff like that. Guess what. The other people thought it was a challenge and started plussing the hell out of their weapons. Of course without any success.
I still remember one dude on the server who already spend tons of money to effort DG 10 weapon elixirs while Aeolus had Cap 90. He was always plussing his stuff. He always bought our DG 10 weapon elixirs for 50m - 80m gold per unit. I really do not want to know how much money this dude spend in order to get that much gold. He always sold revers and globals in order to get that gold.
Maybe a last example: What will happen a few weeks after Joymax starts an alchemy event? Yes. A new cap where the old weapons become useless and worthless. But guess what. People still do not see that behaviour. Even "normal" players throw their money out of the window just to get a +10 or +12 weapon. Shortly after Joymax/JCP announce a new cap and most people think: "great. I wasted my money on a +12 weapon which is useless in 3 days".

And here you have your perfect examples. In all three cases people were not able to see the "point of no return". All of them throw out their money for nothing. And thats what I call "wasting money". I does not matter if these player lose money or if they were able to compensate it with gold sales or stuff like that. Even if they are millionaires or billionaires they wasted their money. Simply because they got nothing out of it. Thats the point.

And there are tons of other ways to do the same. "Yea lets use all of my ATK/DEF/HP/MP Scrolls at FTW, I will kill all of them!!!". Fortress War starts and the attackers starting to notice that it does not make any sense to continue attacking the Fortress against all the P2W-players. Shortly after they leave and the guy who just spend money on the scrolls is standing there without any opponent and the timer on his scrolls is running down. Great investment!

I could continue listing some other "money-wasting-methods" in SRO. But I am not in the mood for that. The text is long enough by now.

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I was wondering if they were done fighting against the pServers. Have not heard about any closing for a few weeks now. But I am surprised to hear that they are fighting against YouTube channels now. So much to the point that "they are not able to take down videos" (We had the discussion in another thread a while ago where people would not believe that the publisher is allowed to take videos of their game offline).
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In theory every cent you invest in a dead game (which SRO clearly is) is a waste of money. Even if you sell ingame gold to reinvest it ingame. Why not using this cash to buy some other stuff in RL. Why reinvesting it in a dead game. Besides that you should also include your electricity costs for your PC in that calculation. Of course I get it that spending money in a game is nothing really bad. At least until a certain point. There are a lot of people out there (not only in SRO) who absolutely lost control over their "shopping behavior".
Maybe I should give you an example.
Back in the days when JCP released Cap 100 on Aeolus we had 2 or 3 +15 weapons on the server. Some other players always tried to get +15 aswell. Thanks to the notification system you were able to see when they fcked up (yea they were pimping really often). Sooner or later some other players were able to get a high plus on their weapon (~>+12). But at one point a guy called "Yata" went into the alchemy game without wasting more than 10$. At that point he really was more like a noname on the server. But he was the first guy who was able to get his weapon to +16. You do not believe how people freaked out. The dude who spend a ton of money on his +15 weapons also tried +16 a few days later. Of course he failed both weapons. But Yata was not finished here. He was able to get his weapon to +18 and if I remember right he also managed to get his spear to +19 without any alchemy event going on. Later he got +20 if I am right thanks to an alchemy event. But as I mentioned earlier. People really freaked about because he was so lucky. Especially because these people, who got angry, spend really much money to get to +12 or stuff like that. Guess what. The other people thought it was a challenge and started plussing the hell out of their weapons. Of course without any success.
I still remember one dude on the server who already spend tons of money to effort DG 10 weapon elixirs while Aeolus had Cap 90. He was always plussing his stuff. He always bought our DG 10 weapon elixirs for 50m - 80m gold per unit. I really do not want to know how much money this dude spend in order to get that much gold. He always sold revers and globals in order to get that gold.
Maybe a last example: What will happen a few weeks after Joymax starts an alchemy event? Yes. A new cap where the old weapons become useless and worthless. But guess what. People still do not see that behaviour. Even "normal" players throw their money out of the window just to get a +10 or +12 weapon. Shortly after Joymax/JCP announce a new cap and most people think: "great. I wasted my money on a +12 weapon which is useless in 3 days".

And here you have your perfect examples. In all three cases people were not able to see the "point of no return". All of them throw out their money for nothing. And thats what I call "wasting money". I does not matter if these player lose money or if they were able to compensate it with gold sales or stuff like that. Even if they are millionaires or billionaires they wasted their money. Simply because they got nothing out of it. Thats the point.

And there are tons of other ways to do the same. "Yea lets use all of my ATK/DEF/HP/MP Scrolls at FTW, I will kill all of them!!!". Fortress War starts and the attackers starting to notice that it does not make any sense to continue attacking the Fortress against all the P2W-players. Shortly after they leave and the guy who just spend money on the scrolls is standing there without any opponent and the timer on his scrolls is running down. Great investment!

I could continue listing some other "money-wasting-methods" in SRO. But I am not in the mood for that. The text is long enough by now.

__________

I was wondering if they were done fighting against the pServers. Have not heard about any closing for a few weeks now. But I am surprised to hear that they are fighting against YouTube channels now. So much to the point that "they are not able to take down videos" (We had the discussion in another thread a while ago where people would not believe that the publisher is allowed to take videos of their game offline).
So what you say is that using 0 of your own money, but having money invested in the game by selling gold is a waste? Our opinions differ then
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So what you say is that using €0 of your own money, but having money invested in the game by selling gold is a waste? Our opinions differ then
Someone has to pay your electricity bill. 24/7 botting costs money.
Thats one point where you lose cash.
And yes. IMHO it is a waste since there are much better ways to invest your money in. But thats not my business.

Besides that I do not really believe that you are able to sell that much gold which allows you to effort VIP Plat/VIP VIP and all the other stuff every month.
We are talking about >500€ every single month if you want VIP Platinum (which is needed if you want to be one of the best).

Just a small overview:
Premium Plus: 290 Silk = 29€
Astral/Immortal: 20 - 40 Silk = 1€ - 2€ per unit (at least 18 stones if everything is going to +15 first try)
Wheel of Fortune: 100 Silk/10 units = 10€ (how much you need depents your luck)
Wheel of Fate: 50 Silk/10 units = 5€ (how much you need depents your luck)
Devil Spirit S: Requires (Premium) Magic Pop Cards (10 - 25 Silk per unite; also depents on luck).
Pickpet-Clock/DS-Clock = 50 Silk each = 5€
VIP INT/STR Scrolls: 30 Silk = 3€ each
HP/MP + 200: 25 Silk = 2,50€/11 units

As soon as DG 12 will be out the alchemy expenditures will reach a new level anyway.


According to my experience this are uasually the expenditures every player has if he wants to be one of the top players on a server. Sure it does not look that much. But do not forget that the whole alchemy Bullshit is totally random. With bad RNG (which will be the case most of the time) you will easily need to spend 500€. Of course you can argue that the equipment is a "one time investment". But in reality this is not the case. As soon as another player gets a better plus on his set players will usually start plussing again (look at my example in my other post). And then everything starts again. Besides that Jomax/JCP are going to release a new cap when they notice that people do not buy that much alchemy items anymore.
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Such a shame to see all of those great videos gone. I really hope he has backups.
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In theory every cent you invest in a dead game (which SRO clearly is) is a waste of money. Even if you sell ingame gold to reinvest it ingame. Why not using this cash to buy some other stuff in RL. Why reinvesting it in a dead game. Besides that you should also include your electricity costs for your PC in that calculation. Of course I get it that spending money in a game is nothing really bad. At least until a certain point. There are a lot of people out there (not only in SRO) who absolutely lost control over their "shopping behavior".
Maybe I should give you an example.
Back in the days when JCP released Cap 100 on Aeolus we had 2 or 3 +15 weapons on the server. Some other players always tried to get +15 aswell. Thanks to the notification system you were able to see when they fcked up (yea they were pimping really often). Sooner or later some other players were able to get a high plus on their weapon (~>+12). But at one point a guy called "Yata" went into the alchemy game without wasting more than 10$. At that point he really was more like a noname on the server. But he was the first guy who was able to get his weapon to +16. You do not believe how people freaked out. The dude who spend a ton of money on his +15 weapons also tried +16 a few days later. Of course he failed both weapons. But Yata was not finished here. He was able to get his weapon to +18 and if I remember right he also managed to get his spear to +19 without any alchemy event going on. Later he got +20 if I am right thanks to an alchemy event. But as I mentioned earlier. People really freaked about because he was so lucky. Especially because these people, who got angry, spend really much money to get to +12 or stuff like that. Guess what. The other people thought it was a challenge and started plussing the hell out of their weapons. Of course without any success.
I still remember one dude on the server who already spend tons of money to effort DG 10 weapon elixirs while Aeolus had Cap 90. He was always plussing his stuff. He always bought our DG 10 weapon elixirs for 50m - 80m gold per unit. I really do not want to know how much money this dude spend in order to get that much gold. He always sold revers and globals in order to get that gold.
Maybe a last example: What will happen a few weeks after Joymax starts an alchemy event? Yes. A new cap where the old weapons become useless and worthless. But guess what. People still do not see that behaviour. Even "normal" players throw their money out of the window just to get a +10 or +12 weapon. Shortly after Joymax/JCP announce a new cap and most people think: "great. I wasted my money on a +12 weapon which is useless in 3 days".

And here you have your perfect examples. In all three cases people were not able to see the "point of no return". All of them throw out their money for nothing. And thats what I call "wasting money". I does not matter if these player lose money or if they were able to compensate it with gold sales or stuff like that. Even if they are millionaires or billionaires they wasted their money. Simply because they got nothing out of it. Thats the point.

And there are tons of other ways to do the same. "Yea lets use all of my ATK/DEF/HP/MP Scrolls at FTW, I will kill all of them!!!". Fortress War starts and the attackers starting to notice that it does not make any sense to continue attacking the Fortress against all the P2W-players. Shortly after they leave and the guy who just spend money on the scrolls is standing there without any opponent and the timer on his scrolls is running down. Great investment!

I could continue listing some other "money-wasting-methods" in SRO. But I am not in the mood for that. The text is long enough by now.

__________

I was wondering if they were done fighting against the pServers. Have not heard about any closing for a few weeks now. But I am surprised to hear that they are fighting against YouTube channels now. So much to the point that "they are not able to take down videos" (We had the discussion in another thread a while ago where people would not believe that the publisher is allowed to take videos of their game offline).

This is so true ! I enjoy reading that, you speak the truth without sugarcoating it. You deserve more thanks and I was sad to see the wall of text was short.

I know this is not related, but let's take, for example the game Jade Dynasty.



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