Thats correct HyperELK is cheaper and offers more for a lower cost.
But i think you have read wrong on GGL.
Havent seen any class specc for 90USD/Month for 1 specc.
I know there are private devs out there and highest is 90USD for ALL classes and is an AIO (All in one)
The per class is lower and cost all from 20-50USD per specc.
There are diffrent devs that take diffrent price but none of them have anything that high per class

I've used rotation lab, hyper elk, and easyrotationz for WoTLK.

Rotation lab was incomplete to the say the least. It looks like it's supporting nearly every spec but of the handful I tested, none had completely correct rotations. That being said, I only tested a few classes. Make use of their trial and see if it works well for yours. YMMV. They had great support.

Hyper Elk is the best value. They have nearly every spec but some are buggy and updates can be very slow. Some of their support staff can also be extremely frustrating to deal with. The admin and a dev or two tend to be argumentative and arrogant. If that dev covers your class, reporting bugs can be disheartening. The UI is decent. Healing rotations are best on the market at this price.

Easyrotationz was by far my favorite. They have the smallest dev team so it seems that they strive for quality over quantity. Their UI is good looking and easy to use, their rotations are on point, and their support is top notch. They patch bugs ridiculously fast, and respond on discord even faster. If your class is melee (mostly what they support,), I couldn't recommend them enough.

Id suggest you go EasyRotationz if you're playing melee (and Hunter when it's finished) and HyperElk if you're wanting to heal. I'd look elsewhere if you play caster. RotationLab looks like it has a ton of potential but right now it feels unfinished.

Rotationlabs just lacks active development on rotations for it to have a fair review at all, which is why I didn't even bother to review it. You're right; they talk a lot about supporting all rotations but end up not supporting most of them but still try to charge users the same price as fully developed rotations which is silly; they should just offer it for next to nothing to build a community and attract rotations developers but to each their own.

I love EasyRotations and would love them more when they complete healing classes.

GGL is better for people that want to play competitive. Rotations are optimized for end-game players, such as mythic raiders (realm race) and carry sellers, high rated io (3K+), gladiators and rank 1s.

GGL's entry cost is substantially more than HyperElk. Additionally, setup is more demanding.

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HyperElk is better for people that play more casual. Casual mythic raiders/heroic raiders, people pushing lower keys (15s and below), casual pvp (2100 and below, although it is possible to achieve gladiator, just harder than GGL).

HyperElk is substantially cheaper, and setup is extremely easy.

Edit: I should clarify, it is possible to achieve similar accomplishments using HyperElk that is achieved with GGL. It's just a lot more difficult and requires a lot more input (unless you play hunter). With the exception of rank 1 (only frequently achieved with GGL), HyperElk capabilities are sufficent. The most simplistic difference between the two is that GGL is built for competitive end-game players while HyperElk is built for convenience and a more casual experience. But HyperElk is still good. For most players, it's a better value.

Damn, you lost your blue name too heh

Thats is heavelly dependant on the rotation developer, nah?
Aside from some specific specs, the "meta" ones are almost full auto pilot.

There's a few otimizations here and there, but all those otimizations, can't currently be done with Pixel Bots. The user has to be aware of it and manually do it.

Like spreading Crane Kick to 5 units / Aoe for Ranged / Prio Target and so on.

But that's strictily talking about PvE. PvP is another issue on how much you can automate.

Like spreading Crane Kick to 5 units: GGL have this and it works perfect and fully automated
Aoe for Ranged: Same here GGL have this and works perfect for range class even have diffrent types of AoE detection
Prio Target and so on: GGL have this and works, last target logic etc..

From what i have seen GGL have master and pushed what pixelbots can do very far and good and 95% of stuff is fully automated. Can probally 100% fully automate. But then you wont top DPS meters, because some elements need a users. Like knowing when to use burst for optimal DPS etc..

Right.

It's not reliable as you sound to be.

You can ether do it by pressing tab and swaping targets or show an icon above the head of the target and let the user mouseover.

If it's reliable to you, then you're pretty sure not doing content hard enough. Worse, you're letting the bot decides what it will target.

You can't automate 100%, you can't target specific mobs, you can't cast ground spells on your target (well, if you automate via pixel it will fuck up your mouse), you can't count how many enemies are around others.

That's the limitations of pixel bots.

People are still using my updated addon, and trust me, i know the limitations of pixel bots and you know that too.

yea, epvp is dead so there is literally no reason to pay for it anymore.

ouch :kekw:

Why you didnt list prices?

Prices can change over time; you're best to look further into what you're interested in, not based on price but on the functionality you need.

I have a question regarding timing of buying pixel bots.

I just got back in preparation for dragonflight -- is it better to wait since it will be a while for bot to be back up and ready to go for the new expansion or is pixel bot pretty much good to go right away?

The reason I ask is that I never use pixel bot.

It really just depends on the developers of those said bots. Hyper Elk, for example, is already ready for DF, I believe they just have to do work on rotation profiles, and most of those will be ready when SIMc is out; the core itself though is ready. As for others, they have not really made announcements as to their actual readiness.

That's good to hear. By ready, do you mean no down time? Before with HF/UCS -- theres always like a couple of days down time when a huge patch hits or any patch for that matters.

I wasn't sure how pixel bots work to in term of new patches in general.

Sounds good; thanks for keeping me posted.

Just getting into wow looking for something to help me with rotation any suggestions thinking on hyper but not sure if it's still supported ir the ban rates of stuff like this

They have never had any bans.

what's ban rate for classic ? i want to use for farming it but im afraid from ban

You should have a look into Rotationlabs. Merc the guy that runs it and codes the rotations is pretty decent and quick on fixing what the community locates. I've had some decent dps numbers on my Lock and SP (WOTLK)

It's a bit more expensive on the $30 a month mark but I think its really worth it and all profiles are included. Setup is straight forward, doesn't mess up with different ui addons.

Rotations Labs doesn't support all specs, and it's a one-man show; I wouldn't recommend it over other options. It's not worth paying $37 for an incomplete product. Come talk to me when it's got fully updated specs for all classes, and I will review it, but I'm not going to pay for a product that has less than the competition for the same cost; that would be like paying the price of a Ferrari for a Honda.

These are not farm bots, these just combat rotation bots.

very helpful thread left you a PM

Thank you, I replied to your message.

thanks for the sumup!

Thank you, I have gone ahead and updated the name change to reflect the new name.

Adding WOWULT

Thank you for your insight and this thread, your knowledge is appreciated. Which pixel bot/unlocker and product would you recommend for protection warrior WOTLK - tanking?

Maybe you can give Hyper Elk a try, I believe they still have user trials; see if that works for you.

This post used to have a recommendation for which platform (between HyperElk and Simia) has the better rotation for each class in WoTLK. After more testing most classes, I'd say that the only rotation I'd recommend Simia for is enhancement shaman. Some rotations, e.g. warrior and rogue, are about the same and other rotations, e.g. feral, deathknight, shadow priest, mage, balance druid, healing, and warlock, are done better by HyperElk.

Outside of that, Simia no longer fixes bugs or updates their rotations. They used to be very proactive about things but have dropped the ball since DF launch. Of the developers I've talked to in HyperElk my impression of them are as follows:

Smartie - Willing to help users with any errors they get but burnt out of doing any major improvements to WoTLK (manages feral druid, rogue, warrior). Still fixes major bugs.
Pleymate - Willing to help with errors, actively improves and fixes all of his rotations so his are the most developed on the platform by far (manages DK and mage)
Mufflon - Begrudgingly willing to help with errors and very rude and snarky about it when they do help. Removes features from the rotation so he doesn't need to explain things to new users. Hasn't been willing to improve rotations for a very long time so they aren't very developed and don't have many features. Overall, Mufflon is one of the worst developers of any platform I've been on and its a shame because he manages so many rotations. (manages balance, shadow, elemental, enhance, and warlock)
Ryu - Willing to help with errors, rotations are about as good as they come. Manages all of the healing rotations.
Vec - I don't play either of his classes. From what I've seen, his answers when help is needed are short, sweet, and to the point. I don't know if he updates his stuff regularly. Manages hunter and paladin.

Sima supports healing, they just never make healing rotations, Im starting to think they're just anti healers :lul:

I'm curious why you chose Simia over Hyper for Rogue/Warrior? Outlaw in particular feels fantastic on Hyper, what does Simia do better?

edit: sorry I just realized you mentioned WotLK not Retail

Anyone using GGL in DF? I am curious if they are still the best (if you are willing to pay up)?

GGL is still the best if you wanna be in the top % or top PvPer
If you dont care about parsing over 90 you can go with any other

on major copium if you think ggl is the best pixel bot atm.

The only dev keeping it alive is Ryan in terms of PvE at a high level. Not to mention the atrocious pricing model that makes it a massive entry cost compared to other bots, ggl is just simply outdated and past its prime.

If you think anything right now beting GGL you are not playing on a high level.
Doing Normal,LFR or just some 5 keys. Then i can understand and you can run with anything.
But if you run anything higher the what average joe does, nothing beats it.

I have tested all pixel bots that are out.
Tested new DPS classes for DF and only classes that close to what GGL is doing in DPS is melee classes.
HyperELK and others are just useless when its range classes vs how good GGL is with range classes.

DPS HyperELK,Morpheus, Aimsharp etc.. are around 80-85 in parses while GGL always 95+

So if you not playing on a high level, you can run with any pixel rotation, because you will do decent and complete most things. But if you run Mythic raiding or high m+, right now GGL is the only one up there.

That's a flat-out lie, just like everything else you sprew out your mouth.

Nothing really has changed in GGL since SL, so you won't find much difference at the moment. A lot of things just come down to QOL with GGL and also for them to start doing their own in-house development on rotations rather than dependence on the community developers that like to gatekeep their rotations based on who they like and don't like. When a product relies on charity from its users it's a big problem for end users.

Can GGL be better, it sure can be, but it really depends on several factors and what the end user is looking for at the end of the day.

In my own personal experience, I have found healing to be the best with GGL over others, but then again, I didn't want to keep paying extra money to community developers every month for PVE healing rotations that should have been offered by GGL right out of the box.

Edit: to preface this I’d like to mention I am a current ggl user, have had lifetime AIO private and upgraded every expansion since BFA. I currently even main a ggl rota in a high end guild

I raided hall of fame in SotFO, keystone title in same season and have used every single pixel bot that was available at the time. Season 4 I was full sending unlocker had my fun ate my ban but back on ggl basically full time now. Maybe your experience as a ranged is different but as a melee player, with few ranged dps being thrown into mythic alt raids for the fun of it, ggl is pretty shit compared to Elk, maybe aimsharp but that’s a lil copium. I’ve used every devs rota for basically every single dps in the game, from Spiken to berserker to Ryan to currently using warces.

Ggl is pretty garbage because there are just simply not enough devs ontop of the fact that current devs charge outrageous prices considering the base ggl cost.

The only devs actually putting high quality pve rotas currently are warces and Ryan.

Spiken’s rota literally get outperformed by his own mimicmaster w/ hekili. He offers a “basic” tier for PvE rotas and advanced and glad are literally just PvP improvements so it’s safe to say he’s a PvP dev.

I consider berserker a healer main so I don’t use his dps rotas too often.

So that means only “high end pve rotas” are rogue and warrior.

Ggl has its few gems like Ryan rogue or aya ww way back when, but besides those few instances, most rotas are just outdated simc ports probably built off of scortch’s auto simc to action converter :kekw:

Lots of the devs from the golden age, Human. ZakLL, Taste etc have either quit or moved on to different projects making the current ggl a wasteland.

Overall besides special scenarios like the ones mentioned above, elk pretty much dominates ggl in all aspects for pve not to mention pricing.

If you found a ranged rota that you consider better then elk or aimsharp just share what dev and class. I wouldn’t mind giving it a try and maybe even change my opinion.

What are you even talking about, I've got mythic keystone master for all seasons in SL. I completed all raids on Heroic and some on parts of mythic raids. I don't play on a high level he says :lul::kekw:

Mallizify, a few opposite words about GGLoader
"Outrageous cost" doesn't make a project bad or even garbage. Why do you still use it if its garbage then? It's pointless but making harm to reputation that is not deserved by project.

If you look at all prices on the market and compare the capabilities of all projects, you will be surprised how little GGLoader costs a monthly subscription of 11.85 euros, but for some reason everyone is always scared and outraged by the entry price of 75 euros, which is bought once for access to the class, and the price of paid profiles, which are optional and are not required for purchase in frequent cases for the buyer, but this becomes an argument to call the project as a shit. For example, a common case, if you play only PvE as a damage dealer, then it will be absolutely enough for you to buy a class for 75 euros once, and then pay 11.85 euros for a subscription using the MimicMaster included in the price, which supports current Simcraft rotations via HeroRotation or any other public addon: Hekili, MaxDPS, WoWDoc (WeakAuras), Chesder (TMW), ConRO. There is also a RubimRH addon developed by Rubim, which is still updated by one of the participants and which is also with no extra cost, and there is also an actual simcraft on some classes and part of the PvP functionality. So why then you have to overpay for + \ - same rotations, same dps on other platforms? In addition, some users make profiles for themselves according to their needs, especially since GGL allows this without programming knowledge, because this was the initial goal of the project - to give users a solution that could cover all their needs, and it is in the face of GGLoader.

Of course, if you want something unusual, or missing from the price, if you want everything ready at once, if you need Rank1 / Gladiator almost guaranteed then these are definitely paid profiles. For example, almost all healers are available as part of paid profiles, or let's say PvP is also not available in all, but in many cases they are available as part of paid profiles. However, this does not mean that there are no PvP or healers included in the price, on the contrary, look at Discord and you will find Holy Paladin by Johan, Wotlk Warrior PvE PvP profile by Onni, Balance Druid / Ench Shaman by Fiets, Warrior PvE PvP (free version) by Warces, Rogue / Hunter / Warlock / Priest / Druid PvE PvP from Trip, Wotlk Hunter / Death-Knight / Paladin PvE PvP from Spiken, and so on, in fact, this is not the whole list of free profiles for different versions of the game.

Moreover, I will tell you that motivated developers on a commercial basis will provide better functionality and quality of profiles than if it were included in the price, since such developers exclusively feed on their bread from their profiles and their performance. If the profile is bad, then no one will buy it, which means it makes sense to move in progress and make it the best, a simple market, simple competition and the simple truth of life. Therefore, the GGLoader project has the most unique profiles on the market. Firstly, the functionality that only GGL has, and secondly, the number of developers and competition among them in addition to the available other at no cost profiles.

Automatic simcraft port for updating profiles was developed by Taste, Scortch used it to update that repo and it's still great thing for everyone in this community. Scortch and Taste played and accordingly released updates and profiles at the time when they themselves played it, now none of them wanted to return to play, I don’t understand why this should be mentioned at all and actively campaign that the developers left the project or even switched to another project. Scortch is still in the project, he makes scripts on the LoL platform, but when he returns to play WoW, his profiles come out and his profiles have no extra cost. And Ryan is still here, and actively making new profiles on Rogue. Moreover, in addition to the old developers, a lot more new ones appeared. So it’s the opposite here, people don’t leave this project, but rather join because the developers see the technically best solution on the market, again, in the face of GGLoader. I have already mentioned several active developers in this project above, and believe me, there are no such number in any other project on the market. GGLoader actively growing and replenished over time with an increasing number of new developers to provide best of possible.

Nice attempt at advertising, but alas, it's not true. In one aspect I agree it's automatic setup of keybinding. However GGLoader has still manual process not without a reason, but I'm not going to reveal all the cards here, time will only tell how safe your used method is. I doubt very much that other projects will grow to the same functionality that GGLoader has because this project was born back in 2006, first public sale at 2017, and just look at what baggage of huge technical experience here. Most projects implement functionality a year or even a years later, but in GGL it already exists and has been working for a long time, for example, the Explosives auto target, GGL got this feature as soon as such a thing appeared, and now ask when your vaunted projects added it, you might be surprised but I saw the answer from one of them it's in begin of this 2022 year. Make your decisions right guys, based on the facts, I swear you can't find an answer where any project pretty much "dominates ggl in every aspect" except your mentioned "outrageous" prices and automatic keybinding part.

Are you slow? Where did I say I stopped at 15 keys? Also, I did mythic bosses in raids. You sure talk a lot, which is usually a sign of someone that is butthurt for always being wrong; what's next in your line of attack to make yourself look stupid once again? :kappapride:

I will give you PvP for Spiken but you are actually insane if you think Spiken comes anywhere near Ryan. Sure the dmg could be similar, but in terms of PvE features (autopot, auto defensive on x spell cast, etc) Ryan gaps Spiken so hard.

Idk if you are just a part of a Spiken cult or like Spiken himself or Mr. F fanboy but come on I will take your word that you are a high-level PvE player no way you do not see the difference in performance.

I'll sub to Spiken rogue and hold you to that, last I used it, it was beyond terrible. It doesn't attack out of stealth so have to ambush manually for outlaw, and the sin rota was messing up basic priorities such as vanish vendetta, and figured if it cant do that right I shouldn't trust it to do anything else right at that time since it was for a prog kill.

Just tell me what rotas will prove me wrong, and I will happily purchase them and test them.