Free FFXIV Craft Bot - Craft While Minimized! (Limited Time)

lucid · 09/10/2011, 10:06

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Originally Posted by phillus_01

I would rather have a low $ subscription (5$/month) than 1 time fee.

Legal costs may necessitate a migration towards payment of some sort, but it was interesting to hear your view on that. Many people probably do not share your feelings, but they may not consider all of the implications. In terms of the actual structure of payments, a one-time fee (large or small) is probably inconsistent with the best interest of these tools both from a community and business perspective.

From a business perspective, there are monthly/yearly costs associated with keeping these programs available: domains, SSL certificates, servers, hardware, software licenses, etc. Due to the ongoing nature of the costs, it probably is not economical to collect a one-time fee. My time should be considered since every hour spent supporting and developing these tools could be spent on hourly consulting, which directly correlates to a dollar loss for me. As you might imagine, supporting these tools is much more fun, but still hard work.

From the community perspective, a one-time fee would have significant negative impact on the overall quality of the programs. From time to time, I come across development tools that would enhance the functionality, performance, or general user experience with my programs; such enhancements would be impossible with a one-time fee structure, since they are almost always hundreds or thousands of dollars. Under a one-time fee maintaining a suite of tools would likely require an exorbitantly high one-time fee once several tools are available, or the tools would be poorly maintained or would never become available (development time spread too thin).

Some people feel that -any- monthly fee would automatically be too expensive. IMHO a $5/month fee would be a pretty good deal for access to multiple tools. $5/mo is 16¢ a day for both synthesis and gathering tools, in addition to new tools as they're made available - as a time-relative example, this thread was created 7 weeks ago; abilities weren't implemented, and MB was a distant goal. With value in mind, but not to imply any of you buy Gil (although somebody is keeping them in business), but it is an easy way to translate virtual value into real life value... one popular site is charging $10.99 for 1 million Gil right now, which is double the $5/mo number. It is unimaginable that anyone would be unable to make 500k with these tools over 30 days, which alone would make a $5/mo fee "worth it". Beyond that, you can't put a price on the freedom to choose going to dinner or a movie, maintaining a normal sleep schedule, or even just using your computer instead of crafting/fishing. I'm not interested in charging $10 or $20 per month, just in arriving at something which is reasonable for everyone so the project can continue in a healthy and successful manner.

I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts and opinions on these topics, am totally open to all varieties of respectful feedback. Of course, this may all be moot conversation if the lawyers come back with an unfavorable reply, so keep your fingers crossed and don't get too excited. I'm anticipating a decision sometime next week but don't have more exact information.

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Originally Posted by fgm1988

Could also do something sneaky... Set up a page with a bunch of adverts on it that pay you per view or click, however that works... Then code the bot to shut down every 2 hours. To launch it, make them visit that site and get a password that auto changes every so often. Then you could probably still make a little revenue. Or something else similar to this, who knows :P

I would prefer to avoid ever having advertisements anywhere, it makes things slow and clunky in most situations, and always degrades the user experience. This sort of thing goes against my quality-oriented ideals, but in principle is a good suggestion in an attempt of a "best of both worlds" solution.

fgm1988 · 09/10/2011, 10:41

I'd definitely be willing to pay $5 a month once I find a new job. It's more than fair, and it's absolutely more than worth that price. Though for the time being, I have to watch any and all spending no matter how small and minuscule it may seem, which sucks ***. Severance check was pretty good sized but its all i got to live on for an unknown amount of time so i cant just buy things I really want (**** you, release of dead island! How dare you taunt me so.) The $60 i'd spend in a year could be the difference in eating or not eating for a month, later on down the road.

For everyone else, I think a price like that would be absolutely understandable. You'll probably end up stealing customers off the other guys, with a rate like that. Haha, lets hope so! Then they'll be forced to lower their prices too, making the world a happier place for the consumer.

Edit: See, now... My biggest problem is I've got a certain amount of money i CAN spend, but i can't have it in my bank account at all, ever. I'm so skipping out on all my student loans and some other expenses while I'm unemployed, and if they see me spending money from my account that is for luxury type things I'll probably end up in court over it. Wonder if there's any way of bypassing a bank or credit card company to pay for things online lol. Been doing some under the table work lately for cash.. Mowing lawns, construction on a friends house, etc. Non-reported income.. Yet another reason i cant just deposit it.

manuela · 09/10/2011, 11:16

imo, it should be handled like the ffxi bot, once 15$ for all parts of the bot,including updates/patches/changes etc.worked well,and the 11 bot had lots of features,fishing,walking,tp-bot,crafting,mapping,spawntimer(for nms),fighting,assist (healbot etc),and several more.
we paid once,and got even support and new features over a year later,bot is still working,as far as i know,and it looks like its worth it,since people join still,same for ffxiv,if they move forward with the game.
so,i wouldnt pay a montly fee,i dont count cent/day,i count it a whole year in forward,and atm i pay fees for 2 other games,with 9 accounts (Yes familys have such things),and paid for bots aswell,but never on a monthly base,just once,and done,ffxi bot still working,eve bots still working fine.and still all parts in business.

and some of the more greedy folks,(hint to another ffxiv bot) shall remember,that it could give legaly issues of some sort,with them,if people feel too much ripped of,its easy to handle the lawparts,so,best is,think comunitywise,instead of business,and sell a guide instead of a bot,and iam pretty sure that some wont pay 60/year for just a bot,or even 35 at once,for that few things,could get nasty in case of too much greed.just saying.

and other parts of the comunity dont even charge,and another fishingbot works atm quite well,and is free,(yes even working in background),so.. a small fee once,fine,more..no deal.and 35+ what other charges? wondering what SE say to such people..

fgm-- in your case, prepaid CC,buyable just everywhere, walmart etc, in the EU you can do prepaid CC,and even PSC ,you pay and got a code,what you can use for every other matter, and with a prepaid CC you can even pay via paypal without having to add any personal data. google for it,cash can be stored anonymous,you have just to learn how.

Jdr388 · 09/10/2011, 12:12

Honestly I would prefer to pay a 15 -20 dollar one time fee and be done with it. A couple months ago i used FFEVO's Crafter which had the exact same 5.00/month subscription plus an additional initial buy in. I didn't mind the buy in so much but I hated paying the subscription fees. I just felt as though I was being nickel and dimed ever month.

I can understand why, from the programmers perspective, the monthly fee makes much more sense. However the flip side to this argument is that not only with the cumulative cost of the program over an extended period of time will become much heavier as the months fly buy, but eventually (hopefully) there will come a time where major overhauls and the addition of new features to the program and/or GUI will no longer be necessary and updates will slow, causing the above reasoning for the subscription to falter slightly.

Anyway that's my 2 (or 3 or 4) cents.

In short, I would prefer a one time deal.

perdosa · 09/10/2011, 12:15

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Originally Posted by manuela

i atm i pay fees for 2 other games,with 9 accounts (Yes familys have such things)

Then you shouldnt worry about like 5 $ a month more..

Personally im total fine with it.. If you really start thinking like:

"OH.. i have to pay 5 $ a Month, then i have to pay 60 $ a year"

, then you should consider killing some of your Accounts, since:

"Oh.. you pay ~15$ per Account a Month, which ends up in 180 $ in one year for each Account, which will be ~1620 $ in on year for all 9 Accounts."

60$ more would break your neck? I seriously dont think so.

... just saying.

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Originally Posted by manuela

and other parts of the comunity dont even charge,and another fishingbot works atm quite well,and is free,(yes even working in background)

Which one should that be? There is no other one working well, while in the Background. There is only 1 around in Total, which is from the same Guy like this one. If you talk about the "Shadow 13ot II" one, then i wouldnt call it "well" in first place since its starting with "only supports english". <_< And i dont like pixelbots in general, since they are just not programed well at all. You dont need to be a programer to create a pixelbot. I made a couple myself, but i seriously wouldnt share them, since they are crap and only were used till Stuff like this one came around the corner.

So beside that.. back to Topic.

5$ is seriously a good amount and worth it. I would of course prefer something lower.. like 3,99, but it doesnt really matter to me. The 2 Bots are totally worth it, if you think about the Time it will save you, or if you are the Profitguy.. how much Gil you could make with fishing.

People should be aware of, that we all playing MMO's which we are pay for.. at one point. So if you are willing to pay for a Game a monthly fee.. what holds you from spending like 4-5 $ more for 2 great Bots? Thats the amount you would pay monthly for 4-5 Mules and again.. think about the Time it will save you.

5$ a Month.. yes... 60$ a year... yes... Timesave: 5-6 Hours a day, 35-42 Hours a week. 1820-2184 Hours a year. ( For that guy which was thinking of the year as a whole).

If it would save me ~2000 Hours a year and i would turn that into paid hours from my Job, then i would get 64.000 € more a year. And then i have to worry about 5$ a Month? Seriously.. give me a break. lol

Keep your good work going lucid. I appreciate it and i hope everything will work out for you, so we can Bot the shit out of our characters again soon.

Add:

Well maybe you could also add some features like:

Pay 5 $ for 1 Month
Pay 14 $ for 3 Month
Pay 25 $ for 6 Month
Pay 50 $ for 1 Year

Or something like that.. would maybe an Option for a couple People.

manuela · 09/10/2011, 14:02

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Originally Posted by perdosa

Then you shouldnt worry about like 5 $ a month more..
"Oh.. you pay ~15$ per Account a Month, which ends up in 180 $ in one year for each Account, which will be ~1620 $ in on year for all 9 Accounts."

,,, If you talk about the "Shadow 13ot II" one, then i wouldnt call it "well" in first place since its starting with "only supports english". <_< And i dont like pixelbots in general, since they are just not programed well at all. You dont need to be a programer to create a pixelbot. ,,,

iam not worried,its in principle ,that i wouldnt pay monthly just to get the same,for a differend game.its not the cash,its ..a monthly fee for a bot?i guess not.

about the game accs, in the end you pay ffxi,eve does quite well without paying anymore,plex can you get ingame.

shadows isnt a pixelbot,i fish right now,while writing this,ever tried windowed mode? catchrate atm 120/19 quite good i guess,done several lvls with it already,not today of course,the f-version does great. ,my guess,it works same as mastrbaitr, and english i guess because the chatlines,(just a guess)
but it works while watching movie,aswell as using other progs,no need to get a uptop window.you should try it,before you talk about it. and english,well..if you cant change your client to english or handle a bit game-english,then dont expect any help anyway,unless you speak mandarin,then i can offer you another bot,even with monthly fee..,just search yourself in worst case.

but anyway its my opinion,he asked about ours,i would pay once,no more.nothing to discuss anyway.

copperninja · 09/10/2011, 14:11

I love this program a lot but just like you are lucid, I am thinking long term use. You deserve money for your great program I agree, but a monthly or a one time exorbitant price would overshadow the quality of the program. As another user has stated, the FFXI bots were a one time payment, and not at a high cost or monthly subscription, and those also fought mobs and added in many uses as well as crafting and fishing.

I understand the costs of keeping things up and running though paying a monthly subscription isn't something many people would do. I would much rather pay around $15 - $20 and be done with it. If I end up paying $60 a year, I would much rather settle on a less than extraordinary program with a one time payment. Not to mention if there is an additional cost to use it on multiple computers, would more upsetting.

Even though you are against it, ads would not be that clunky considering your last site layout, putting them off to the side could help offset costs, while not making your site look shady/unattractive.

tyson8t7 · 09/10/2011, 15:22

I would be more than happy to pay a monthly fee for this bot. Like other people on this thread i previously used the FFEVO's Crafter bot and was more than happy with the fee up until the support for the bot ended.

So while i believe a small monthly fee is more than fair for this bot i believe it should go without saying that the quality of the bot and speed of the updates would need to be maintained in order to justify the charge.

squallredx1213 · 09/10/2011, 15:36

Personally I would prefer one-time payment. That's how my FFXI tool was even with constant updates. Now as to dual-boxing or multi-accounts I would suggest a separate fee for each. Basically as the tool in FFXI was $20 per account you wanted to use the tool on. Let's face it some people or most will have more than 1 account and want to use this tool on more than 1 thus $20 an account for someone who has 3 or 4 accounts and that's almost $100 there. In terms of cost efficiency for the mass population, a one-time fee is probably best plus it is only a single bot, the one used in FFXI had claim craft fish auto walk auto kill radar etcetc many features and was still only a 1 time payment. And it is true that once this game gets better and better more people will join and want your tool thus keeping your profit up overall. From your standpoint I can see where a monthly fee seems good and while $5 a month isn't so bad a one time fee in my opinion would be better at least for me

jdstang · 09/10/2011, 16:35

I'm personally against a monthly fee, I would rather just do a one time payment. I have a ton of other bills every month, and it's hard enough keeping up with all of them. I would rather just pay once and be done with it.

Regarding mult-accounts, I'm one of those people, and I would really hate to pay for a program twice to be used on the same computer.

I know me and a few of my friends have the same view on monthly versus one time payment. If it does end up going monthly, we're going to have to find an alternative. Video game bots just aren't on our priority list for monthly checks going out.

Invalice · 09/10/2011, 16:59

I think a monthly subscription would be best for the same reasons you mention, lucid. However, as someone else has mentioned, implementing a tiered payment system would give your customers a larger number of options, thus appeasing a larger group of people-- having options is always good.

To anyone who is worried about handling another monthly payment, I feel your pain, but I'm sure lucid could implement an option that allows the payment to be automated or not. This way you wouldn't have to keep track of paying it if you didn't want to, although you should still keep track of the money you spend each month, and if you're too lazy to factor in another five dollars to your monthly budget, that's really on you.

Crescense · 09/10/2011, 17:23

Meh .... monthly not really me thing :/

1) I have tons of other bills to pay.
2) Why would i pay monthly for something that can get me banned? D:
3) Your not going to leave this bot running 24/7 for fear of ban and even if you do your only going to have to run it like 2 months at the most to get all crafts to 50 .... 10 bucks here u go ?
4) Some of us work and cant be home so i'm not paying for something i can only half use .__.
5) I'm not flaming or annoyed just curious as to why anyone would pay a monthly fee for something you will only use to "level up" 1-2 months
6) The program isn't complete >.< or did i miss that update ?
7)Once they add the next two patches you won't be "bolding" at all since it becomes HQ or NQ - so you wont buy this to hq things

Invalice · 09/10/2011, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Crescense

Meh .... monthly not really me thing :/

1) I have tons of other bills to pay.
2) Why would i pay monthly for something that can get me banned? D:
3) Your not going to leave this bot running 24/7 for fear of ban and even if you do your only going to have to run it like 2 months at the most to get all crafts to 50 .... 10 bucks here u go ?
4) Some of us work and cant be home so i'm not paying for something i can only half use .__.
5) I'm not flaming or annoyed just curious as to why anyone would pay a monthly fee for something you will only use to "level up" 1-2 months
6) The program isn't complete >.< or did i miss that update ?
7)Once they add the next two patches you won't be "bolding" at all since it becomes HQ or NQ - so you wont buy this to hq things

Wouldn't a monthly fee be more desirable in this scenario?

If you're only going to use the bot for a few months, why would you want a bigger one time payment instead of a few small monthly payments? You could just cancel the subscription after you were done using it.

Also, saying you can't use something 24/7 is not really a legitimate reason to not pay a monthly fee. Is there anything people pay a monthly fee for that they can actually use 24/7? Even things like internet aren't used 24/7. This seems rather silly to me.

Unless you're trying to say you think the program should remain free, which if that's the case, you should probably considered the time, work, and programming skills lucid has put into this, and will continue to put into it, and then reconsidered your position.

phillus_01 · 09/10/2011, 17:55

These 2 programs save me a ton of time so I would be ok with either method. Lucid constantly updates his programs and gives support/posts everyday or very close to it. He also adds most of the feature requests that make sense.

Maybe you could add both payment options, 5$ a month or the ability to just pay 20$~ as a one time fee.

Crescense · 09/10/2011, 18:03

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Originally Posted by Invalice

Wouldn't a monthly fee be more desirable in this scenario?

If you're only going to use the bot for a few months, why would you want a bigger one time payment instead of a few small monthly payments? You could just cancel the subscription after you were done using it.

Also, saying you can't use something 24/7 is not really a legitimate reason to not pay a monthly fee. Is there anything people pay a monthly fee for that they can actually use 24/7? Even things like internet aren't used 24/7. This seems rather silly to me.

Unless you're trying to say you think the program should remain free, which if that's the case, you should probably considered the time, work, and programming skills lucid has put into this, and will continue to put into it, and then reconsidered your position.

Thought the whole point of this was to give opinions to the creator... not try to sway the decisions of others.
On that note i also thought that these posts were about monthly or one-time time fee. I'm against monthly simply put which means i'm for one-time fee.
Realistically you wont use this bot 24/7 even if you can .... so don't even bother trying to bring that up.
This will be the first and last time i reply, to a reply, about my post.